India T20 WC preperation is total mess

[deepdynamo]

Why is Rishab Pant  a certainity in T20 for India? 

 

His T20 stats are very poor over a large sample size. DK and Ishan are more value in T20.

 

One more feather in  clueless TM as Pant has been made captain in a format he is very poor in.

 

Disaster loading in T20 WC.

[Majestic]

I agree here. Drop Pant and play Ishan Kishan at 4 in Indian team. You cannot stick with Pant for what he is capable of although it has never really come off. There hasn't been an inning where he comes in at 5 or 6 and won us the game single handedly like Klaseen did yesterday. Kishan for all the technical weaknesses has scored runs and at good clip vs pace and spin both. If not Kishan then pick Jadeja at 4 and use DK at 7.

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Kishan/Jadeja

SKY

Pandya

DK(wkt)

 

That's the way to go. Pant has got enough chances in T20s, who knows maybe dropping him works well like it did in tests?? Just take that decision and look ahead.

 

Also, last time when Rohit captained a T20 team, he played Jadeja up the order and it worked so forget about what happened after that and continue from there. Jadeja at 4 and then three excellent ball strikers in SKY, Pandya and DK.

Edited June 13, 2022 by Majestic

[anish2tweet]

20 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I agree here. Drop Pant and play Ishan Kishan at 4 in Indian team. You cannot stick with Pant for what he is capable of although it has never really come off. There hasn't been an inning where he comes in at 5 or 6 and won us the game single handedly like Klaseen did yesterday. Kishan for all the technical weaknesses has scored runs and at good clip vs pace and spin both. If not Kishan then pick Jadeja at 4 and use DK at 7.

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Kishan/Jadeja

SKY

Pandya

DK(wkt)

 

That's the way to go. Pant has got enough chances in T20s, who knows maybe dropping him works well like it did in tests?? Just take that decision and look ahead.

 

Also, last time when Rohit captained a T20 team, he played Jadeja up the order and it worked so forget about what happened after that and continue from there. Jadeja at 4 and then three excellent ball strikers in SKY, Pandya and DK.

Jaddu rocks. CSK gave him captaincy without understanding his nature. He is a loner who does well individually in the 3 departments.

[mani sha]

Have faith guys . They are trying out payers and giving them a chance to fail . 
Dk in lower order is a big positive . Pandya too . 

[deepdynamo]

50 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I agree here. Drop Pant and play Ishan Kishan at 4 in Indian team. You cannot stick with Pant for what he is capable of although it has never really come off. There hasn't been an inning where he comes in at 5 or 6 and won us the game single handedly like Klaseen did yesterday. Kishan for all the technical weaknesses has scored runs and at good clip vs pace and spin both. If not Kishan then pick Jadeja at 4 and use DK at 7.

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Kishan/Jadeja

SKY

Pandya

DK(wkt)

 

That's the way to go. Pant has got enough chances in T20s, who knows maybe dropping him works well like it did in tests?? Just take that decision and look ahead.

 

Also, last time when Rohit captained a T20 team, he played Jadeja up the order and it worked so forget about what happened after that and continue from there. Jadeja at 4 and then three excellent ball strikers in SKY, Pandya and DK.

 

I like this team considering Rohit and Kohli are undroppable.

Infact Jadeja can be floater also and can slot at No. 7 as well. Also Jadeja and Hardik can share the 5th bowler quota also considering both of them are defensive bowlers.

 

But the key thing is to stop obsession on Kishan, Iyer, Pant,  Samson, Hooda, V Iyer, Axar etc. and stick to these chosen one and give them continuity and game time in their respective positions.

Edited June 13, 2022 by deepdynamo

[Norman]

No matter what changes we make, we are not winning in Australia this year. In fact... we aren't winning a T20 wc anytime soon looking at the new crop of batters that are coming up. 

 

We should just simply accept this. TM should focus on project 2023 where we have much better chances of winning two ICC titles in the longer formats. 

[deepdynamo]

40 minutes ago, Norman said:

No matter what changes we make, we are not winning in Australia this year. In fact... we aren't winning a T20 wc anytime soon looking at the new crop of batters that are coming up. 

 

We should just simply accept this. TM should focus on project 2023 where we have much better chances of winning two ICC titles in the longer formats. 

 

Disagree! with some smart selections and smart preparation, we can sneak into semis and then it can be anybody game.

Just need to decide on right personal and give them proper game time and confidence.

[Sgattick10]

On 6/11/2022 at 9:33 PM, cricketfan28 said:

Forget this year, I hope we win against pak.

Yeah I'll be just happy with the win against Pak, we're not winning the cup anyway 

[Sgattick10]

If Kishan is chosen in place of Pant, he has to open. He is not a middle order bat. Rohit and kishan should open KL can come at 3 or 4.

[Jay]

India can field a good side but batting will still be weak. But take a look at the batting arsenal at s.africa. what a stud team. Have a look at their star studded team for t20. Not so great for odi but still quality overall. For t20 they are a top side. Easy top 2. 

 

1)Janneman malan - can play with power

2)Qdk - 360 player. Can hit big

3) Markram - can do the holding role. Has power. 

4) van der dussen - holding role. Supports decently

5) miller - 360 player. Can hit big

6) klaasen - blaster hitter

7) Pretorius - well built. Can hit big. Slogger

8) ngidi - just a number 11. 

9) rabada - can tonk

10) nortje - true number 10/11

11) shamsi - shamsi

 

For t20 you need well built guys. S Africa have 6 well built guys who can smash. You don't need batting depth when you top 7 can all hit bug. 

 

Rabada, ngidi, nortje, Miller, klaasen and markram. That's 6 well built guys weighing between 83-90 kg. Ngidi the exception being 100.

 

We have how many well built guys? For t20 you need strongly built players. We have zero lol. 

[Norman]

58 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

Disagree! with some smart selections and smart preparation, we can sneak into semis and then it can be anybody game.

Just need to decide on right personal and give them proper game time and confidence.

 

We do not have the mentality to win big knockout games. From the players to the team management, the issue is the same. Yes we may sneak in to the semis, it'd take a miracle like pak 2017 CT to win the whole thing. 

[Norman]

35 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

If Kishan is chosen in place of Pant, he has to open. He is not a middle order bat. Rohit and kishan should open KL can come at 3 or 4.

 

Ideally Kishan and KL should open with SKY coming at 3. I feel Rohit should bat at 4 and take on the spinners in the middle overs. Kohli should stay back in Mumbai and do digit dances. 

[putrevus]

They picked all the right batsmen, bowlers we can argue otherwise. But in both matches Indian batsmen looked out gunned by pace bowling on these slow wickets.It is against spinners they scored most runs. IPL has shown again and again how these teams depend on foregin players to provide batting fire power.

 

Shreyas Iyer: Our plan is to attack 'even if we keep losing wickets'

 

Yesterday batting is being termed as attacking batting by the  useless TM.We don't have to look further for reason why this team stinks. Someone needs to tell this moron Iyer losing wickets due to ineptitude is not called attacking cricket.

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

We have how many well built guys? For t20 you need strongly built players. We have zero lol. 

Shreyas, SKY and Hooda qualifies as well/decently built cricketers. Unfortunately Shreyas suffers from same issue which hampered Raina's career, SKY is injured and Hooda don't find a place in XI.
We have Shahrukh Khan & Shivam Dube as well, but both are very poor at the international level.
 

Edited June 13, 2022 by singhvivek141

[Sgattick10]

This is not a bad 11, on a given day can win matches

Ishan
Kohli
KL
Surya
Pandya
Jaddu
Harshal
Kuldip
Mohsin/Umran
Bumrah 

[Mesky99]

10 hours ago, Jay said:

India can field a good side but batting will still be weak. But take a look at the batting arsenal at s.africa. what a stud team. Have a look at their star studded team for t20. Not so great for odi but still quality overall. For t20 they are a top side. Easy top 2. 

 

1)Janneman malan - can play with power

2)Qdk - 360 player. Can hit big

3) Markram - can do the holding role. Has power. 

4) van der dussen - holding role. Supports decently

5) miller - 360 player. Can hit big

6) klaasen - blaster hitter

7) Pretorius - well built. Can hit big. Slogger

8) ngidi - just a number 11. 

9) rabada - can tonk

10) nortje - true number 10/11

11) shamsi - shamsi

 

For t20 you need well built guys. S Africa have 6 well built guys who can smash. You don't need batting depth when you top 7 can all hit bug. 

 

Rabada, ngidi, nortje, Miller, klaasen and markram. That's 6 well built guys weighing between 83-90 kg. Ngidi the exception being 100.

 

We have how many well built guys? For t20 you need strongly built players. We have zero lol. 

They have brevis, faf probably still good enough to open, even at the test level with Hamza, pieterson, Peter malan and Olivier settling in they will be force to reckon with, verryene can play to.

[Jay]

39 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

They have brevis, faf probably still good enough to open, even at the test level with Hamza, pieterson, Peter malan and Olivier settling in they will be force to reckon with, verryene can play to.

Yes. Hamza is a bit meh. But pietersen, malaan and verreyne are good. 

 

Apparently s.africa declining rofl. Yea right. They are as strong as they were post 2013. Their bowling is as good if not better than before. Nortje rabada ngidi Jansen is a brilliant attack for sena conditions. That's why I said time and time again. Do not underestimate safrica in their conditions. The moment we picked kohli ghujara and no prasidh (for bounce), I knew we were going to lose 2-1. No Gill due to injury. No sundar. Not picking saini over umesh who was in good form for SA tour. Say what you want, A tours are very good indicator of a players ability in official games. Jansen came from A tour. He impressed there. 

We keep sticking with quota picks and seniority based picks. 

[deepdynamo]

Give Umran and Arshdeep 3 games and see if they are worth the hype.

We desperately need some variety in bowling. Want following team today and see if it can make a difference.

 

Kishan
V Iyer

Hooda
Iyer
Pant
Hardik
DK
Bishnoi
Bhuvi
Umran
Arshdeep

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

India could sneak into semis but they need to drop deadwoods & pick a specialist team based on Aussie conditions.  Bowlers like Harshal Boobie are cannon fodders.  Chahal the leggie is useless & he can't hold a bat or field properly. 

 

Invest in Umran Bishnoi & Prasidh/Mohsin for T20 WC. 

In batting push Rahul into middle order.  SKY at 3.  One among Ishan/Pant..  Ishan is ahead rn. 

It may not be a world beating team but could fluke a world title on its day. 

[Majestic]

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

SKY

Jadeja( all rounder)

Pandya( all rounder)

DK(wkt)

 

Pant needs to be dropped. Put him in the squad only. He doesn't have the right shot selection in LOIs. He tries to hit deliveries which are not there to be hit and that doesn't work in T20s also especially when you are building the inning. You gotta pick the right deliveries and execute it better to score impact runs. Better to drop him now.

 

Jadeja's batting will be utilised better if he bats at 4 or 5. His bowling doesn't help much and it is again same style as Yuzi but the alternative of Jadeja is Sundar who don't have the batting skills of Jadeja to bat in middle and then accelerate later.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by Majestic