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Why are our Legendary IPL Bowlers failing so miserably in the T20 Internationals?

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1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

Is is the difference if Class or is it the difference of Strategy and Team Management. Are the Indian TM not being able to get the best out of these players the way their Franchises do, or these bowlers are just trash who get lucky in the IPL? 

 

Thoughts?

Because the TM doesn't go by the skills of bowlers, rather they go by stats.
Likes of Umran, Prasidh etc took less wickets than Avesh, Harshal, Bhuvi etc...but they bring up specific skill sets which are uncommon.

TM need to select the bowlers with specific skill sets first and back them consistently, only then our bowling specially in T20's will improve.

Unfortunately, we tend the pickup the all defensive bowlers whose only hope to take wickets is due to mistake of batsman. Instead of being proactive, we become reactive and wait for the opponents mistake.

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1)   Because, in a long winding League format tournament, it is not possible for the big names to play with intensity in every match 

 

The big international names focus on a few big matches to play with intensity.

 

But the performances of Indian players, for the purpose of national selection,  are considered over all IPL matches including the numerous low key ones.

 

Till the time our selectors and TM understand this, we will keep underperforming in T20Is.

 

2)  There is little recognition of bowler types when we choose the T20 playing 11. We often play 3 medium pacers together which leads to a sameness in the attack which the oppositions exploit.

 

 

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we are producing lot of talent but very very few of them are world beaters in LOIs esp T20s.. its like there are lot of students and many of them can get 80-90 marks but no one can get above 90/ 95.. it would be nice to have  tall, strong or heavily built hitters.. there is no one who falls in this list.. 

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8 hours ago, Vijy said:

because these "legends" had better bowlers backing them up. Harshal, for instance, had Wanindu. Chahal had Ass-win and co. Pandu had entire GT pace attack + Rashid. the list goes on

Very true! Also, key players for every franchise are overseas players. IPL teams and captains have become very comfortable "delegating" to their foreign hit men and without their services, are looking like crap in international cricket. We will struggle to get out of league phase itself in pretty much every T20 tournament. 

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Just now, nevada said:

Very true! Also, key players for every franchise are overseas players. IPL teams and captains have become very comfortable "delegating" to their foreign hit men and without their services, are looking like crap in international cricket. We will struggle to get out of league phase itself in pretty much every T20 tournament. 

yes, lots of 1st round exits on the horizon in LOIs

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People barking against IPL’s existence conveniently forget the money it brings in. For some folks on here, money wouldn’t matter but understand that for these cricketers it is THE source of income, so unless you convince younger talents that they could be reliable breadwinner for their household you will not attract that much of a talent.

 

Having said that, BCCI needs to really start injecting more money in revamping the current domestic circuit to be able to scout and nurture talent. I refuse to believe that in a mad cricketing country, we fail to assemble a squad without naming the likes of old and test players (Dhawan, Rahane, Pujara etc.).

 

We need to get aggressive with our squad selection policies and pick designated players for particular format. Players like Bumrah are very rare and exhausting him by playing in every format is not doing justice to his talent. 

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2 hours ago, ThirtyD. said:

People barking against IPL’s existence conveniently forget the money it brings in. For some folks on here, money wouldn’t matter but understand that for these cricketers it is THE source of income, so unless you convince younger talents that they could be reliable breadwinner for their household you will not attract that much of a talent.

 

Having said that, BCCI needs to really start injecting more money in revamping the current domestic circuit to be able to scout and nurture talent. I refuse to believe that in a mad cricketing country, we fail to assemble a squad without naming the likes of old and test players (Dhawan, Rahane, Pujara etc.).

 

We need to get aggressive with our squad selection policies and pick designated players for particular format. Players like Bumrah are very rare and exhausting him by playing in every format is not doing justice to his talent. 

So you say give rest to Bumrah. That is what they have done and see what happened.

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People should be more patient with the team selected. our loi teams are not settled in general because of the lack of forward planning from 2015-2019 which means many are retiring at the same time and not enough good replacements have been groomed. 

We should stick with the ones we think will make it and give them a long rope, but what we should look at are foreign coaches who either understand or have played t20 cricket and are abreast of how the white ball game has changed. if you want to see the difference a coach makes in approach and mentality see the effect McCullum has already had on England. 

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47 minutes ago, anish2tweet said:

So you say give rest to Bumrah. That is what they have done and see what happened.

Exactly.  Many ICFers strongly believe that giving frequent rest to key bowlers like bumrah is the solution to our bowling woes.  Whereas in reality, it has backfired badly.  Bumrah is becoming more and more impactless in every format, despite getting rested half the time.     He should no longer be an automatic selection in crucial tournaments like ICC, considering his apparent inability to take early wickets.   

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4 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Exactly.  Many ICFers strongly believe that giving frequent rest to key bowlers like bumrah is the solution to our bowling woes.  Whereas in reality, it has backfired badly.  Bumrah is becoming more and more impactless in every format, despite getting rested half the time.     He should no longer be an automatic selection in crucial tournaments like ICC, considering his apparent inability to take early wickets.   

So what's your issue ,either way bumrah isn't picked .

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56 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

So what's your issue ,either way bumrah isn't picked .

My issue is that Bumrah always becomes an automatic selection in every icc tournament. So much so that TM selects him even when he is making his comeback after long break and is completely out of rhythm.   He should not hv played the T20 WC last year at all.  Looked toothless.  Similarly, should not hv played WTC final vs NZ.  He was our worst bowler in that all important test.  

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33 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

My issue is that Bumrah always becomes an automatic selection in every icc tournament. So much so that TM selects him even when he is making his comeback after long break and is completely out of rhythm.   He should not hv played the T20 WC last year at all.  Looked toothless.  Similarly, should not hv played WTC final vs NZ.  He was our worst bowler in that all important test.  

Even if he had won one event, might have struggled in the next and would have been back to square 1.

 

Look at all the top bowlers Ambrose,Walsh,even Imran(he wasn't a front line bowler in 92),Donald,Pollock,waqar,steyn, Anderson, broad no one has ever won anything big for their side.

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