Rajat Patidar v Sarfaraz Khan

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

You're talking about Shaw? Because last I checked Sarfraz hasn't had a hair implant (transplant?) recently 

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Sarfaraz is younger,done better for longer and has been earmarked as prodigy for long.

 

[R!TTER]

Shaw was also earmarked by some, especially on this forum, where's he now 

 

Claiming someone to be a prodigy like SRT or even Sehwag means * all unless they can do even 10% of these greats! So enough with the hyperbole 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

Shaw was also earmarked by some, especially on this forum, where's he now 

 

Claiming someone to be a prodigy like SRT or even Sehwag means * all unless they can do even 10% of these greats! So enough with the hyperbole 

 

Shaw will get his chances too. Both him and Gill will have good careers

[Majestic]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

so was Shaw. Then dropped because he failed them.

 

I'm not sure Pant passes fitness test these days. Unlikely

Shaw failed to confirm his place as he was bamboozled by the hopeless Starc and then Cummins in the pink ball test. He was then replaced by Gill who bamboozled Starc from Australian team itself over next 3 games. Also, he drops a lot of catches.

 

So, it is good that they dropped him. His game is not meant for overseas conditions imo due to several technical deficiencies he has vs the moving ball.

 

Prodigy word was just hyped by Indian fans because he scored a lot of runs from younger age and at a fast strike rate but they were all mostly at home. 

Edited June 27, 2022 by Majestic

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, Lord said:

so was Shaw. Then dropped because he failed them.

 

I'm not sure Pant passes fitness test these days. Unlikely

very unlikely that rohit passes it; he probably gets diff standards because he's a sooperstah

[Lord]

On 6/27/2022 at 8:24 AM, Majestic said:

Shaw failed to confirm his place as he was bamboozled by the hopeless Starc and then Cummins in the pink ball test. He was then replaced by Gill who bamboozled Starc from Australian team itself over next 3 games. Also, he drops a lot of catches.

 

So, it is good that they dropped him. His game is not meant for overseas conditions imo due to several technical deficiencies he has vs the moving ball.

 

Prodigy word was just hyped by Indian fans because he scored a lot of runs from younger age and at a fast strike rate but they were all mostly at home. 

Gill didn't play in pink ball Test. Whole different thing.Gill then failed even in home series v England.

 

Shaw did well relatively in NZ grassbanks making a 50 too. 

 

Shaw still has better numbers than Gill

 

Both of them are young so consistency won't be there. But both need to be backed

 

Sarfaraz needs chances due to sheer weight of runs in FC. Will be better than Iyer for sure

 

 

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Gill didn't play in pink ball Test. Whole different thing.Gill then failed even in home series v England.

 

Shaw did well relatively in NZ grassbanks making a 50 too. 

 

Shaw still has better numbers than Gill

 

Both of them are young so consistency won't be there. But both need to be backed

 

Sarfaraz needs chances due to sheer weight of runs in FC. Will be better than Iyer for sure

 

 

Wrong information.

 

Shaw averages 17 in SENA. He was also a failure in New Zealand. He also dropped catches of Marnus Labuschagne and Steve Smith in pink ball test. Gill's 91 in Brisbane is better than anything Shaw has done in international cricket.

 

Iyer is playing because he has merited a place in Indian team by performing in pink ball test.Now when he will flop, he will get dropped but he deserves that chance of failing before being dropped.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Majestic

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Wrong information.

 

Shaw averages 17 in SENA. He was also a failure in New Zealand. He also dropped catches of Marnus Labuschagne and Steve Smith in pink ball test. Gill's 91 in Brisbane is better than anything Shaw has done in international cricket.

 

Iyer is playing because he has merited a place in Indian team by performing in pink ball test.Now when he will flop, he will get dropped but he deserves that chance of failing before being dropped.

 

Shaw was among our highest scorers in NZ. Thats why I said relatively. 

 

Gill hasn't played in much swing conditions except WTC final last year where he failed. Gabba was a great knock but it wasn't swinging. No reason Shaw cant score on such tracks.

 

Iyer's technique is there to see. Even Shami plays short ball better. Foolish to invest in such players.

 

We can't keep chopping and changing. Need to identify a solid option who has technique to do well overseas and back him.

[Serpico]

Patidar is 29. A great domestic season at this age means nothing

 

Sarfraz is right age but his fitness is very disappointing. No excuse for a guy of his age to have a belly

[nevada]

6 hours ago, Serpico said:

Patidar is 29. A great domestic season at this age means nothing

 

Sarfraz is right age but his fitness is very disappointing. No excuse for a guy of his age to have a belly

29 is not old age. He can have 2-3 good years from here on, after which we can move on to another batsman. With abundance of talent available, there is no need to have long career expectations from one player. 

[Lord]

8 hours ago, Serpico said:

Patidar is 29. A great domestic season at this age means nothing

 

Sarfraz is right age but his fitness is very disappointing. No excuse for a guy of his age to have a belly

Pant similar age similar belly

[Majestic]

13 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Shaw was among our highest scorers in NZ. Thats why I said relatively. 

 

Gill hasn't played in much swing conditions except WTC final last year where he failed. Gabba was a great knock but it wasn't swinging. No reason Shaw cant score on such tracks.

 

Iyer's technique is there to see. Even Shami plays short ball better. Foolish to invest in such players.

 

We can't keep chopping and changing. Need to identify a solid option who has technique to do well overseas and back him.

 

Shaw will be worse than Gill against the moving ball or bounce. Averaging in 20s vs NZ is not a benchmark. It has been proved time and again.

 

In 2020 IPL, he literally played like a hack, was clueless against any bowler with the new ball that is why he was dropped after pink ball test. It was a right decision completely. I would keep him far away from test cricket overseas. Add to that his pathetic fitness and fielding.

 

He is nothing special vs spin either. The most overrated batsman from India, the only positive is his intent in the first 6 overs which is why I was vying to have him in LOIs . Gill, Pant and Jaiswal are the future of Indian cricket. 

Edited July 3, 2022 by Majestic

[tweaker]

Rajat Patidar may be selected for the SA odi series alongwith Samson and Gill

[Majestic]

Rajat Patidar 

[express bowling]

Till we get to see them bat against quick pacers and genuine spinners, we won't know the answer.

[prudent_kreeda]

On 6/25/2022 at 2:33 PM, Vijy said:

as far as tests are concerned, patidar's IPL record does not mean much - it acquires relevance for T20s. moreover, patidar has had one good (but not bumper, which is > 800 IMO) season, whereas sarfaraz has had 2 bumper ones in a row. moreover, in the first FC match against SA A on a challenging pitch with decent bowlers, sarfaraz made a 70-odd not out.

 

 

Sometimes players after maturing enter into a great phase  which lasts 2-3 years . Then it becomes difficult to judge if that person is really india material .

Once th phase ends they become ordinary . 

Eg-  Mayank Agarwal , Dhruv Shorey , Ankit Bawne . We need to see how Patidar shapes up in A team and how well he can cope against quality pace and swing. 

Let  him play  India A for more matches .

[prudent_kreeda]

On 7/2/2022 at 10:25 PM, Lord said:

Gill didn't play in pink ball Test. Whole different thing.Gill then failed even in home series v England.

 

Shaw did well relatively in NZ grassbanks making a 50 too. 

 

Shaw still has better numbers than Gill

 

Both of them are young so consistency won't be there. But both need to be backed

 

Sarfaraz needs chances due to sheer weight of runs in FC. Will be better than Iyer for sure

 

 

 

What matters is how  much work you put in to iron out your weakness ? Just talent won't take you far. Secondly  earlier it took almost 2-3 seasons to detect weakness in a batter's game which today gets exposed within a series or even before a series (if playing in IPL)  due to technology .

Shaw's attitude and lack of full focus might be the BIG reason he ,may not become what he can . We can make out by his fitness , attitude towards coaches , slow improvement in countering weakness. Even Sarfraz's Pot belly now ( Duleep trophy) does  not look good for 24 year old .

In that sesnse , i would rather bet on Jaiswal  though he might have less talent. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Patidar is a ready made product for shorter versions. India can make use of his form.

[putrevus]

On 7/2/2022 at 2:41 PM, Lord said:

 

Shaw was among our highest scorers in NZ. Thats why I said relatively. 

 

Gill hasn't played in much swing conditions except WTC final last year where he failed. Gabba was a great knock but it wasn't swinging. No reason Shaw cant score on such tracks.

 

Iyer's technique is there to see. Even Shami plays short ball better. Foolish to invest in such players.

 

We can't keep chopping and changing. Need to identify a solid option who has technique to do well overseas and back him.

Steve Waugh never hooked once he turned into batsman.He kept taking blow on the body.No reason why Iyer cannot develop a method to sustain against short pitch bowling.He has all other tools to be successful.

[Lord]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

Steve Waugh never hooked once he turned into batsman.He kept taking blow on the body.No reason why Iyer cannot develop a method to sustain against short pitch bowling.He has all other tools to be successful.

Bounce isnt his only weakness. Also struggles v swing and leggies, though not to that extent.

 

He's not even Raina, let alone Waugh