The World T20 squad selection!

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/11/2022 at 1:22 AM, Lone Wolf said:

Umran right now is not ready for a ICC WT20 event.   He has to play around 15 games to finally reach at Haris Rauf & maybe around 25-30 to Anrich Nortje level. 

He should be getting these random bilateral games & kept with national side to further improve. 

their is enough time before Wc and he ll definitely play atleast 5-6 more games, at least 3-4 more series are in bag and bumrah will play on off . Right now its too early to discard specially when he hasnt bowled at his best. 

Im up for dropping guys whose best is not enough like Shreyas iyer but umran's best we are yet to see 

 

Ur picking him for variety purpose- we have 2 full phase bowler now so pick variety and play horses courses in Wc games. Neways these england-ireland pitches have now less pace n bounce then even Indian pitches 

Also he was up against england a team that has no issues against high pace , so it was quite a big challenge. 

He cant reach Harris Rauf coz that guy has played BBL for long so he already had that experience and grind 

 

With his kind of player he ll mostly be boom or bust kind throughout his career , just that he ll improve on his skillset over years. 

Currently he is just like a batsman on 0 who need some initial success to feel like he belongs to international level (like a batsman look for that 1st run) Once he feels that he ll be better. WI series might be that for him 

 

[Majestic]

34 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so pick Umran

 

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bumrah gives genuine pace.

 

What this attack lacks is genuine bounce because Bumrah of 2022 does not have the bounce that he did in the 2017 to mid 2021 period.

Can't add Umran in a World Tournament simply due to pace factor only. Every top team willl have answers for pace. He needs more work to do.

 

Bumrah is the only one I can't think of any other. We are lacking in that department. No convincing option and also TM haven't tried either.

[Nikhil_cric]

Interesting lineups being posted. I think there are better spinners than Kuldeep and Bishnoi himself did well enough and is an excellent bowler to left handers.

 

The more I watch Harshal, the more I'm convinced that , on pure bowling ability, Arshdeep is ahead of him . Harshal is getting the nod ahead of the others simply because  he adds a few runs at 8 but I think that's unnecessary. We need the best bowlers. 

 

There is also the Jadeja question.  I'm not totally convinced that he is good enough as a batsman alone as his bowling has regressed to a point that even 2 economical overs is asking too much. 

 And no Bhuv in a few squads considering he's our best new ball bowler?

 

Interesting times ahead and team management has a few questions to ponder. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/11/2022 at 1:49 AM, Majestic said:

 

Can't add Umran in a World Tournament simply due to pace factor only. Every top team willl have answers for pace. He needs more work to do.

 

Only england is that side that has more answers to him then anyone , Other teams has a few question. 

 

Aus- Marsh, stonis, maxwell, Agar 

Nz- Neesham, Santner , philips 

Pakistan- Khushdil , Shadab 

WI- all of them

 

I have mostly kept middle order batsman coz he is a middle phase bowler 

 

Its not that these guys have issues against high pace but like Pandya these guys have issues against certain length and if u bowl at high pace they ll get uncomfortable .  

Key is Certain Length which comes naturally to Umran 

 

Isilye ek option rakhlo matchups men kaam aayega 

 

On 7/11/2022 at 1:49 AM, Majestic said:

Bumrah is the only one I can't think of any other. We are lacking in that department. No convincing option and also TM haven't tried either.

who else ?? 

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

Can't add Umran in a World Tournament simply due to pace factor only. Every top team willl have answers for pace. He needs more work to do.

 

I don't want Umran either.  Not because top teams can play his high pace but because  Umran lacks a good length stock ball. And his short balls do not rise much. Too easy to hit.

 

With a good length stock ball and a high bouncer, the same pace will be unplayable.

 

But that will not happen overnight. Let him develop these first.

 

 

32 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Bumrah is the only one I can't think of any other. We are lacking in that department. No convincing option and also TM haven't tried either.

 

They can still try Mohsin and Khaleel. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/11/2022 at 1:49 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

Interesting times ahead and team management has a few questions to ponder. 

 

Observing how Rohit n Dravid works they have locked their squad apart from 2-3 last minute changes and no way they will change after a series win on bases of one lost game where they experimented a lot

[Vijy]

2 pacers seem locked in - bhuvi/harshal and bumrah. spinner will most likely be chahal, although I'd have preferred kuldeep. 3rd pacer will be crucial, and so will our choice of top 5.

[SRT100]

41 minutes ago, Vijy said:

2 pacers seem locked in - bhuvi/harshal and bumrah. spinner will most likely be chahal, although I'd have preferred kuldeep. 3rd pacer will be crucial, and so will our choice of top 5.

Chahal will be ok in Australia, huge grounds and spinners in the BBL have had success. We have a few Afghan spinners that do well down under.

 

Its gentle medium pacers at around 130kmhr that are smashed. Which is my fear of Bhuvi. His bowling works in England, but it wont in Australia.

 

With that said I would rather us take 4 wicket taking bowlers than bits and pieces players. It means effectively we only have 7 batsmen and that becomes 6 if the immovable object in Kohli makes the team.

 

I havent heard the noise about Kohli being in or out of the World Cup, but his "new" approach to batting in T20 v England, is no better than Shami or Bumrah batting in Test cricket.

 

Other posters can laugh all they want, I would rather us play Sundar at 3 than Kohli, at least we can get 4 overs out of him.

 

 

 

[SRT100]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I don't want Umran either.  Not because top teams can play his high pace but because  Umran lacks a good length stock ball. And his short balls do not rise much. Too easy to hit.

 

With a good length stock ball and a high bouncer, the same pace will be unplayable.

 

But that will not happen overnight. Let him develop these first.

 

 

 

They can still try Mohsin and Khaleel. 

WTF happened to Nattarajan? (Nattu?)

He was a good bowler the last time he played down under.

[coffee_rules]

Bats: Rohit, Ishan, KL, Hooda, Sky, Pant, V Iyer

ARs:  Pandya, Jadeja

Pace Bowlers: BUmrah, Bhuvi, Harshal, Avesh, Umran

Spin: Chahal, Ashwin, Kuldeep 

 

I know it is 17. The problem with selecting Kohli is that he will be automatically in the playing 11 and we are stuck with the same issues 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

Chahal will be ok in Australia, huge grounds and spinners in the BBL have had success. We have a few Afghan spinners that do well down under.

 

Its gentle medium pacers at around 130kmhr that are smashed. Which is my fear of Bhuvi. His bowling works in England, but it wont in Australia.

 

With that said I would rather us take 4 wicket taking bowlers than bits and pieces players. It means effectively we only have 7 batsmen and that becomes 6 if the immovable object in Kohli makes the team.

 

I havent heard the noise about Kohli being in or out of the World Cup, but his "new" approach to batting in T20 v England, is no better than Shami or Bumrah batting in Test cricket.

 

Other posters can laugh all they want, I would rather us play Sundar at 3 than Kohli, at least we can get 4 overs out of him.

 

 

 

 

 

Agree with everything.

 

Touched all the right issues we have.

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

Its gentle medium pacers at around 130kmhr that are smashed. Which is my fear of Bhuvi. His bowling works in England, but it wont in Australia.

 

Other posters can laugh all they want, I would rather us play Sundar at 3 than Kohli, at least we can get 4 overs out of him.

 

 

 

Bhuvi himself expressed surprise that the ball was swinging so much late in the innings. That explains his success and also why it is unlikely to be repeated in Aus.

 

I am a huge fan of Sundar, but until he can prove that he can play 10 matches on the trot without getting hurt, it would be a huge risk to slot him into the team, esp at #3.

Edited July 11, 2022 by BacktoCricaddict

[Nikhil_cric]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Only england is that side that has more answers to him then anyone , Other teams has a few question. 

 

Aus- Marsh, stonis, maxwell, Agar 

Nz- Neesham, Santner , philips 

Pakistan- Khushdil , Shadab 

WI- all of them

 

I have mostly kept middle order batsman coz he is a middle phase bowler 

 

Its not that these guys have issues against high pace but like Pandya these guys have issues against certain length and if u bowl at high pace they ll get uncomfortable .  

Key is Certain Length which comes naturally to Umran 

 

Isilye ek option rakhlo matchups men kaam aayega 

 

who else ?? 

I dont quite agree with that. The T20 batsman who destroys high pace bowling the most(140+) is Matthew Wade who strikes at 200 +. And after that I think it is Livingston. 

 

Umran clearly dies not have the accuracy or the variation needed at this level. May develop in time but at the moment I can see a fee batters taking him on. 

[HamHindustani]

It is more or less a given Kohli is going to the WT20. So do put a team with Kohli in it

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Bhuvi himself expressed surprise that the ball was swinging so much late in the innings. That explains his success and also why it is unlikely to be repeated in Aus.

 

I am a huge fan of Sundar, but until he can prove that he can play 10 matches on the trot without getting hurt, it would be a huge risk to slot him into the team, esp at #3.

Bhuvi is must. He troubled finch quite a bit in Australia as well. He will get swing early on for sure.

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, SRT100 said:

Chahal will be ok in Australia, huge grounds and spinners in the BBL have had success. We have a few Afghan spinners that do well down under.

 

Its gentle medium pacers at around 130kmhr that are smashed. Which is my fear of Bhuvi. His bowling works in England, but it wont in Australia.

 

With that said I would rather us take 4 wicket taking bowlers than bits and pieces players. It means effectively we only have 7 batsmen and that becomes 6 if the immovable object in Kohli makes the team.

 

I havent heard the noise about Kohli being in or out of the World Cup, but his "new" approach to batting in T20 v England, is no better than Shami or Bumrah batting in Test cricket.

 

Other posters can laugh all they want, I would rather us play Sundar at 3 than Kohli, at least we can get 4 overs out of him.

 

 

 

Agree with all of the above, except that Soooondar is a porcelain princess. can't risk him until fitness has improved.

 

this would be my tentative pick, although I know it's never gonna happen:

 

Rohit [don't want him, but as captain he won't be booted out]

Pant/Shaw [since Shaw is not in the fold, Pant must be told to go hard, i.e., play role of aggressor]

KL [in reality, Kohli will occupy this spot, but I can dream]

SKY

Hooda --> 6th bowler

Hardik --> 5th bowler

DK/Jadeja/Sundar --> play Jaddu/Sundar if bowling cover is needed, else go with Karthik

Bumrah

Mohsin/Khaleel --> both are bounce-based bowlers with left-arm angle

Prasidh/Bhuvi --> if pitch has early swing, then Bobby; otherwise Prasidh

Kuldeep [Chahal will play in reality, but I prefer Kuldeep]

 

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Vijy

[Vk1]

wonder why the TM is not rating Prasidh in T20s.. 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Vk1 said:

wonder why the TM is not rating Prasidh in T20s.. 

esp. for T20s in Oz. he could be used primarily in PP and in middle overs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/11/2022 at 7:14 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

I dont quite agree with that. The T20 batsman who destroys high pace bowling the most(140+) is Matthew Wade who strikes at 200 +. And after that I think it is Livingston. 

 

both are very good thats why i didnt mention in my list, my list was ppl whom u can cause discomfort at certain length with high pace 

Livingstone is the best i think his s/r is 200+ against 145k+

 

On 7/11/2022 at 7:14 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

Umran clearly dies not have the accuracy or the variation needed at this level. May develop in time but at the moment I can see a fee batters taking him on. 

will only come with experience , throw him at deep end he ll learn quick . We have few series coming , if he keeps playing n be with team he ll learn quick 

He is best suited as horses for courses option - i know he ll either be 4 over 55 runs or 4 over 30 run with 3/4 wkts so he has a huge upside 

 

About batsman playing him well , he did cause trouble to Rohit who is one of the best players of genuine pace but when he got the length right. Length length Length ill keep screaming 

 

He has a lot of pros 

 

• Aussie pitches suiting his natural length
• On his day runaway match winner
• Offer variety to our attack 
• Is coming from a great IPL season so he wasnt a fluke 
• MCG which at times has spongy bounce and long boundaries can suit him big time 
• He is a good middle phase bowler and attacking one 

 

He is a High Risk High Reward player - Id like to have that gamble player atleast in a squad. Never bad to have different kind of options 

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/11/2022 at 7:14 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

I dont quite agree with that. The T20 batsman who destroys high pace bowling the most(140+) is Matthew Wade who strikes at 200 +. And after that I think it is Livingston. 

 

Umran clearly dies not have the accuracy or the variation needed at this level. May develop in time but at the moment I can see a fee batters taking him on. 

actually im not at all disappointed with him like others coz i had the exact same expectation from him. 

 

He showed these signs in IPL also 

 

• had off games and quite expensive ones
• Cudnt control new ball - it was stupid when many cribbed in Ireland that why wasnt he given new ball.............IPL men dekha nhin kya usse naya ball control nhin hota 
• Inconsistent at death- bowling 1-2 yorkers doesnt make u specialist, specialist like bumrah, malinga, starc have done it yr after yr and yet on occasion gotten it wrong
• Its not that he was accurate in IPL 
• He didnt show range of variation 

 

So what different happened now ?? Either ppl didnt knew what they were hyping or it was one of those recent or pace bias. 

One of the reasons i was pissed in that speed thread is hyping one beyond his ability that u end up getting disappointed and changing ur own belief in that player also disregarding the other player who has been doing his job far more consistently 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03