Umran needs to be played in all games!

[zen]

Pacey and improving steadily, brings loads of x-factor (and variety) as the 3rd pacer ... Ind has to learn to leverage on his pace (as such pace bowlers are rare in Indian cricket) rather than wait for him to develop even more as a bowler as by that time he may lose some of his pace ... At different stages of his career, a player would have different strengths ... Right now for Umran, it is pace. Later on, it could be something else ... Good teams know how to utilize a player's current strengths (and not frame a player permanently based on his previous strengths or weaknesses) and keep upcoming bowlers in good rhythm ... Needs to be played in all games to prep him for the upcoming world cup 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by zen

[Adamant]

We know what happened to Naseem Shah, no need to play Umran in international cricket as of now. 

 

He needs to play domestics, actually he hasn't shown much speed in international cricket. 

[the don]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

We know what happened to Naseem Shah, no need to play Umran in international cricket as of now. 

 

He needs to play domestics, actually he hasn't shown much speed in international cricket. 

Whats wrong with Naseem shah. He was brilliant against Australia in the recent test series and has a vastly superior skillset than Malik, who isnt even that quick over a period of 4 overs.

[Adamant]

8 minutes ago, the don said:

Whats wrong with Naseem shah. He was brilliant against Australia in the recent test series and has a vastly superior skillset than Malik, who isnt even that quick over a period of 4 overs.

Wasn't Naseem Shah's progress hindered due to playing him in Aus, Eng and Nz without giving him a proper run in domestics? 

Thats what I am saying, his performance in Pak vs Aus was decent, and that came after a good long break. 

 

I know Naseem has a better skillset than Umran (Icfers will not like this) but it's true, his run up and seam position is better too but he was decimated in international cricket when he started. 

 

Umran is faster than him though, both are very short. 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Adamant

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Pacey and improving steadily ... Ind has to learn to leverage on his pace (as such pace bowlers are rare in Indian cricket) rather than wait for him to develop even more as a bowler as by that time he may lose some of his pace ... At different stages of his career, a player would have different strengths ... Right now for Umran, it is pace. Later on, it could be something else. Good teams know how to utilize a player's current strengths (and not frame a player permanently based on his previous strengths or weaknesses) 

 

This isn't 90s where we have to try every decent prospect. We have the depth, Prasidh, Siraj, Avesh deserve chances before him. It's about the team and not an individual.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

This isn't 90s where we have to try every decent prospect. We have the depth, Prasidh, Siraj, Avesh deserve chances before him. It's about the team and not an individual.

 

Are Prasidh & Siraj expected to be in the T20 squad? 

[the don]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Wasn't Naseem Shah's progress hindered due to playing him in Aus, Eng and Nz without giving him a proper run in domestics? 

Thats what I am saying, his performance in Pak vs Aus was decent, and that came after a good long break. 

 

I know Naseem has a better skillset than Umran (Icfers will not like this) but it's true, his run up and seam position is better too but he was decimated in international cricket when he started. 

 

Umran is faster than him though, both are very short. 

Naseems first over in international cricket iin Australia itself was quicker than anything umran has bowled in international cricket so far. Remember, Naseem is yet to play a white ball game for Pakistan. Naseem is the most improved pacer in Pak right now with his lines and movement, was effortlessly clocking around 148kph in national t20.  In terns of skills he is just behind Shaheen atm.

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Are Prasidh & Siraj expected to be in the T20 squad? 

 

Is Umran? He should start with 50 over games.

[zen]

Just now, Chakdephatte said:

 

Is Umran? He should start with 50 over games.

 

Umran is in the current T20 squad ... And the topic is on bowlers in the squad and on giving Umran all the games unless he needs rest 

[tweaker]

Good yorker

[goose]

didn't seem in the IPL but he looks poor

[Frustrated]

Too Raw.   His height of 5"5 is also a big disadvantage.   Batsmen can pick his release point and hence anticipate the line and length.   

[goose]

looks like a fast ashok dinda

[The Realist]

The new Mohit Sharma 

[zen]

Umran is not consistent yet but is improving ... Will go for runs like most bowlers but will get breakthroughs too ... Playing games regularly will keep him in rhythm ... Versus Eng, he was played on & off (in fact only got the last game) despite winning Ind a game v the dangerous Ire playing at its home (almost beat NZ in an ODI today) and doing well in the practise games in Eng 

 

Needs to be given a run of 10 games, which practically means playing the remaining T20 games till the world cup

 

5 in WI

Asia Cup in SL

3 v Aus (potential T20 home series)

 

Overall, that should give him roughly 10 or more games to gain more experience of bowling in different conditions (and maybe stages)

 

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by zen

[Axl100mph]

14 hours ago, Adamant said:

Wasn't Naseem Shah's progress hindered due to playing him in Aus, Eng and Nz without giving him a proper run in domestics? 

Thats what I am saying, his performance in Pak vs Aus was decent, and that came after a good long break. 

 

I know Naseem has a better skillset than Umran (Icfers will not like this) but it's true, his run up and seam position is better too but he was decimated in international cricket when he started. 

 

Umran is faster than him though, both are very short. 

Umran is quicker because his action is more alligned which gives him more confidence to run in harder. However,  in terms of languid easy pace, Naseem is more effortless. That is more down to their physiques. Umran needs more burst and momentum while Naseem is more flexible, with hyperextension,  which is why he imparts more backspin on the ball and feels quicker compared to the rest of psl bowlers bowling in the same speed range as he does most of the time. 

If he becomes more alligned, he should become one of the quickest going around, but that is improbable unless he sees experts in Australia or something. 

[express bowling]

Umran does not have a stock ball yet.

 

I would like him to develop a top of off stump directed stock delivery first .... and then play for India.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by express bowling

[Jay]

14 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Too Raw.   His height of 5"5 is also a big disadvantage.   Batsmen can pick his release point and hence anticipate the line and length.   

Is he 5'5? Thought he was 5'8 or 5"9. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Stick with him but as i said with kishen ill say with umran , select someone when u know what ur selecting. 

Keep ur expectation low , dont think u found high pace so he ll blow oppositions away out every game coz that doesnt happen in international cricket. Top side batsman dont fear pace , someone like a livingstone has S/r of 190 against 145k+ balls. 

 

Now what we need to understand with Umran-

 

• He is High Risk High Reward player (but he is a bowler , a batsman getting out on zero doesnt harm team as much as bowler giving 50+ runs) Yet he is a high Reward player the day he gets it right he ll finish teams in middle order . If you are excited about pros dont forget cons . This was very clear in IPL when he did well and then all of sudden had 4-5 bad games and very bad games
• He is only a middle phase bowler -
  He cant control new ball and is not consistent at death 
  Death bowling isnt just about yorkers , which he isnt consistent at . Being good at yorkers mean landing it at high% which umran doesnt, he lands 1-2 good yorkers ppl get excited. No that doesnt make u a death bowler .
• He is inexperienced so if he sprays doesnt mean he is brainless- means he lacks experience and control and when things go south it goes really bad as he doesnt have experience to know what to do in that situation
• He lacks variation - which isnt just slower balls but length variation (u cant blame him for that the kid is so inexperienced)
• Length comes before anything - speed , swing, seam, slower ball or spin all of them wont matter unless u put it at right spot. Speed will be his weapon if he puts it at right spot or else speed will be batsman biggest gift if he puts it at wrong spot. 
   

He is a runaway matchwinner so stick with him- High Risk High Reward. 

Ppl want High Reward but not the High risk aisa kuch nhin hota

 

Just that he shud not be a lock in XI , only 2 bowlers shud be locked- Bhuvi- Bumrah

Rest - harshal, umran or anyone else shud be taken depending on condition, opposition, matchups, length of boundaries 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

Umran is quicker because his action is more alligned which gives him more confidence to run in harder. However,  in terms of languid easy pace, Naseem is more effortless. That is more down to their physiques. Umran needs more burst and momentum while Naseem is more flexible, with hyperextension,  which is why he imparts more backspin on the ball and feels quicker compared to the rest of psl bowlers bowling in the same speed range as he does most of the time. 

If he becomes more alligned, he should become one of the quickest going around, but that is improbable unless he sees experts in Australia or something. 

Naseem is built like a twig though.