If Arshdeep keeps performing , i think this will then be our 5 man pace bowling attack for T20 Wc

[Chakdephatte]

11 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

Trundler attack, Bhuvi, Harshal, Arshdeep all so similar 

 

How are they similar?

 

Bhuvi-Arshdeep are powerplay and death bowlers, Harshal a middle over specialist.

 

Bhuvi-Arshdeep are swing bowlers, Harshal relies on variations (and dip).

 

Arshdeep is 6'3-6'4. Bhuvi-Harshal are 5'9-10.

 

Arshdeep is a left-armer, other two are right armers.

 

Just because they are same speed, doesn't mean they are similar. Although, I don't want Arshdeep for other reasons.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[SRT100]

On 7/30/2022 at 5:13 AM, Norman said:

Harshal will be destroyed in Australia. He works in subcontinent conditions but on hard surfaces down under his deliveries will sit up nicely to get whacked over cow corner. 

 

And Bhuvi has once again conned everyone into thinking he's great t20 bowler and this will agait end in tears. 

 

 

 

Bumah, Arshdeep, Shami , Umran/Mohsin with Pandya is the ideal attack. Don't think there will be room for 5 specialist fast bowlers in the squad. 

 

Brilliant post.

 

Yes you are correct.

 

Harshal and Boobi will present "party pies" for the opposition and hit the ball back out of the ground to the subcontinent. Boobi at his pace is going to get slaughtered. He bowls only slightly faster than the Australian women. lol.

 

For those that dont know, "Party Pies" in Australia is basically like an Australian version of samosa. lol.

[SRT100]

India definitely need a left hand bowler for the T20 WC, if Arshdeep is the best we can do, then so be it.

[SRT100]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Mohsin should have been developed for No.8

 

...  Tall hit the deck pacer ideal for Australia 

...  All phase bowler

... Swings the new ball 

... Can hit the deck hard for bounce when needed. Has natural bounce

... Good death bowler 

... Wicket taker cum economical bowler.

... Big hitter with the bat at the end

 

Please disappoint me and tell what our likely lineup will be for the WC?

 

Its frustrating seeing so many talented young Indian kids and yet we continue to go back to the old tired and lethargic players.

[SRT100]

14 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Pandya's short balls are super effective. Accurate and hard to score. Plus he gets wickets. 

 

In the last T20 series in Australia, his batting was sensational. I cant recall if he bowled during that time.

 

But now, he will be a lethal weapon in Australia.

[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

Please disappoint me and tell what our likely lineup will be for the WC?

 

Its frustrating seeing so many talented young Indian kids and yet we continue to go back to the old tired and lethargic players.

 

 

Likely lineup ....

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Harshal / Deepak

9. Bhuvi

10. Chahal 

11. Bumrah

 

 

 

What I want ....

 

6. Hardik 

7. Jadeja / Axar

8. Mohsin

9. Bumrah

10. Chahal

11. Siraj

 

 

.... In an earlier post I choose Harshal / Bhuvi / Chahar at 8 because Mohsin is not in any kind of contention for this T20 World Cup.

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

Please disappoint me and tell what our likely lineup will be for the WC?

 

Its frustrating seeing so many talented young Indian kids and yet we continue to go back to the old tired and lethargic players.

 

 

You must be following BBL to some extent.

 

Do you think floaty medium pacers like Bhuvi, Chahar and Harshal will work on those pitches ?

Edited July 31, 2022 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

You must be following BBL to some extent.

 

Do you think floaty medium pacers like Bhuvi, Chahal and Harshal will work on those pitches ?

In BBL guys who have truck loads of wkts in last few years are sams, richardson, nathan ellis, abott, siddle, tye, Dwarshuis  .................among them only tye bowls at high pace which he as developed only in last few yrs. Most of these guys wkts come at death with paceoff ...............siddle is one who is damn good with yorkers 

 

Its just not pitches , we forget ground dimension . To clear big grounds u either need power or pace from bowler. Its tough to make pace when bowler isnt giving u.

• chahal doenst give pace which is why it makes it tough to clear him on bigger grounds, infact any spinner who bowls slow n on right length 
• Bhuvi just doesnt rely on swing he seams it well unlike chahar. Plus he is very good at death and if he maintains his rhythm n fitness by that time his pace will also be around 140 
• Harshal- he has nothing to do with pitch, he heavily relies on dip which is in Air . Guys who bowls cutters more need pitches, Harshal uses loppy dipping slower ones. People often think slower is just about surface which is wrong as its purpose is to break the momentum of batsman in shot. Slower one at the end serve same purpose as high pace- which is beating batsman . Thats why slower balls have worked across leagues around the world and im sure it ll work on glass too. 
• Aussies pitches arent same on all grounds- MCG has a spungy bounce where even someone like Thakur, Jason holder can be major threats . Then their is hobart where someone like Malinga was put to sword 

Yes if you have someone like Harris rauf, archer, wood who can bowl hard length at 145+ clicks at consistent basis that will have its own impact but we dont have that. Lets not try to create what we dont have. Umran is only one but still not a reliable

[SRT100]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

You must be following BBL to some extent.

 

Do you think floaty medium pacers like Bhuvi, Chahal and Harshal will work on those pitches ?

 

Actually dont follow BBL much at all.

 

The quality of the BBL is many levels below the IPL, however one interesting point to note, is that quality spinners do succeed Down Under in the BBL, so India need to pick one and one all rounder who I presume will be Jaddu.

 

Medium Pacers like Boobi will be pummeled here thats for sure, the batsmen on these pitches send these kinds of bowlers at his pace out of the ground.

[SRT100]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Likely lineup ....

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Harshal / Deepak

9. Bhuvi

10. Chahal 

11. Bumrah

 

 

 

What I want ....

 

6. Hardik 

7. Jadeja / Axar

8. Mohsin

9. Bumrah

10. Chahal

11. Siraj

 

 

.... In an earlier post I choose Harshal / Bhuvi / Chahar at 8 because Mohsin is not in any kind of contention for this T20 World Cup.

 

Thanks for that, you always keep me up to date and abreast of the situation in Indian cricket and locally over there. I also cannot rely on biased information from Cricbuzz and Cricinfo that glorify how well India are doing.

 

India is just one of those teams that only have 7 players that can bat (actually 6 excluding Kohli), expecting runs from 8,9,10,11 is never going to happen for the time being in Indian Cricket, so I would rather us go with our best bowlers in these slots, then "bits and pieces" players.

 

The bigger problem in Indian line up is that Kohli bats like a bowler, meaning that Hardik and Jaddu must always bat well. It also means that more pressure on everyone.

 

If Bumrah and Chahal can bowl 8 quality overs it might be enough to win games. India basically go into most matches with 2-3 batsmen and 2-3 bowlers. Its pathetic but thats the way it is.

 

Love your line up. Siraj can and will be India's front-line bowler eventually. He has grit and determination and I think Australia is special to him, IIRC he lost his father when down under last time? He bowled like an experienced champion last time.

 

India vs Banga will be a deadly game for India. Rashid Khan will be bowling at "home" at Adelaide Oval as he is their player in South Australia. Has bowled many spells that have won games on his own. They may very well have local curator doctoring the wicket for spin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In BBL guys who have truck loads of wkts in last few years are sams, richardson, nathan ellis, abott, siddle, tye, Dwarshuis  .................among them only tye bowls at high pace which he as developed only in last few yrs. Most of these guys wkts come at death with paceoff ...............siddle is one who is damn good with yorkers 

 

Its just not pitches , we forget ground dimension . To clear big grounds u either need power or pace from bowler. Its tough to make pace when bowler isnt giving u.

• chahal doenst give pace which is why it makes it tough to clear him on bigger grounds, infact any spinner who bowls slow n on right length 
• Bhuvi just doesnt rely on swing he seams it well unlike chahar. Plus he is very good at death and if he maintains his rhythm n fitness by that time his pace will also be around 140 
• Harshal- he has nothing to do with pitch, he heavily relies on dip which is in Air . Guys who bowls cutters more need pitches, Harshal uses loppy dipping slower ones. People often think slower is just about surface which is wrong as its purpose is to break the momentum of batsman in shot. Slower one at the end serve same purpose as high pace- which is beating batsman . Thats why slower balls have worked across leagues around the world and im sure it ll work on glass too. 
• Aussies pitches arent same on all grounds- MCG has a spungy bounce where even someone like Thakur, Jason holder can be major threats . Then their is hobart where someone like Malinga was put to sword 

Yes if you have someone like Harris rauf, archer, wood who can bowl hard length at 145+ clicks at consistent basis that will have its own impact but we dont have that. Lets not try to create what we dont have. Umran is only one but still not a reliable

 

 

 

I was not talking about release speeds but about pacers who can't hit the deck hard when needed.

 

Tye, Sams, Richardson, Abott can all hit the deck very hard.  Don't know about Ellis.

Edited July 31, 2022 by express bowling

[SRT100]

59 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

I was not talking about release speeds but about pacers who can't hit the deck hard when needed.

 

Tye, Sams, Richardson, Abott can all hit the deck very hard.  Don't know about Ellis.

 

IIRC India slaughtered Tye and Sams last time in T20 in Australia.

Richardson and Abott definitely hit the deck hard.

[straighttalk]

On 7/29/2022 at 9:49 PM, Majestic said:

Yes OP, most likely this will be our pace attack for T20 world cup.

 

1.Bhuvi

2.Bumrah

3.Harshal/Arshdeep( Arshdeep has an advantage that he can bowl with new bowl too and is a left arm pacer, Harshal's advantage is quickfire 10-15 runs at 8)

4. Pandya

5. Deepak Chahar as backup for Bhuvi.

 

In ODIs , I would have Bumrah, Shami, Siraj/Prasidh and one of Deepak or Shardul as a bowling A/R. Things are more clear now than it has been in LOIs in last 5-6 years.

I dont think Deepak Chahar should be in the list. Arshdeep and Bhuvi offers same skill set. We need a bowler like Shami to offer variety and maybe even Siraj with recent improvement.

[Jay]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In BBL guys who have truck loads of wkts in last few years are sams, richardson, nathan ellis, abott, siddle, tye, Dwarshuis  .................among them only tye bowls at high pace which he as developed only in last few yrs. Most of these guys wkts come at death with paceoff ...............siddle is one who is damn good with yorkers 

 

Its just not pitches , we forget ground dimension . To clear big grounds u either need power or pace from bowler. Its tough to make pace when bowler isnt giving u.

• chahal doenst give pace which is why it makes it tough to clear him on bigger grounds, infact any spinner who bowls slow n on right length 
• Bhuvi just doesnt rely on swing he seams it well unlike chahar. Plus he is very good at death and if he maintains his rhythm n fitness by that time his pace will also be around 140 
• Harshal- he has nothing to do with pitch, he heavily relies on dip which is in Air . Guys who bowls cutters more need pitches, Harshal uses loppy dipping slower ones. People often think slower is just about surface which is wrong as its purpose is to break the momentum of batsman in shot. Slower one at the end serve same purpose as high pace- which is beating batsman . Thats why slower balls have worked across leagues around the world and im sure it ll work on glass too. 
• Aussies pitches arent same on all grounds- MCG has a spungy bounce where even someone like Thakur, Jason holder can be major threats . Then their is hobart where someone like Malinga was put to sword 

Yes if you have someone like Harris rauf, archer, wood who can bowl hard length at 145+ clicks at consistent basis that will have its own impact but we dont have that. Lets not try to create what we dont have. Umran is only one but still not a reliable

Lol at archer bowling 145 clicks consistently. 

Lol at haris rauf being effective in australia. Dude is trash. 

Yea continue to pick stick man chahal, kohli then we aren't touching gold. Period. 

Chahal will get destroyed. 100% sure. 

Prasidh still has the skills to do well in australiam but if he doesn't want to hit the deck hard like he is supposed to then its not my problem. He can piss off too. 

You need hazlwood type bowlers in Australia to succeed. Test match length. Bounce. Period.

Don't have that? You need pace and bounce. Not just phaaast trundler pace like raufm 

Don't have trat either? Then atleaat ability to use different variations at 135-140 would be handy. 

 

I would play thakur, harshal both at 7 and 8.

Bishnoi at 9

Chukrah and siraj/prasidh. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, Jay said:

Lol at archer bowling 145 clicks consistently. 

Lol at haris rauf being effective in australia. Dude is trash. 

Yea continue to pick stick man chahal, kohli then we aren't touching gold. Period. 

Chahal will get destroyed. 100% sure. 

Prasidh still has the skills to do well in australiam but if he doesn't want to hit the deck hard like he is supposed to then its not my problem. He can piss off too. 

You need hazlwood type bowlers in Australia to succeed. Test match length. Bounce. Period.

Don't have that? You need pace and bounce. Not just phaaast trundler pace like raufm 

Don't have trat either? Then atleaat ability to use different variations at 135-140 would be handy. 

 

I would play thakur, harshal both at 7 and 8.

Bishnoi at 9

Chukrah and siraj/prasidh. 

 

i dnt even want to read beyond that 

also, Find me hazelwood kind of bowlers in India 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, straighttalk said:

I dont think Deepak Chahar should be in the list. Arshdeep and Bhuvi offers same skill set. We need a bowler like Shami to offer variety and maybe even Siraj with recent improvement.

shami has been a complete failure at international level t20 

 

Bhuvi n Arshdeep arent same- Arshdeep new ball value doesnt have much sample as of now whereas bhuvi is best in world in PP 

Arshdeep has stronger value in middle over then bhuvi 

Arshdeep is a left armer so that is enough variety

If chahar goes he ll be backup to bhuvi , not playing in same XI unless its a damp wkt 

Siraj didnt help himself with a poor IPL 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I was not talking about release speeds but about pacers who can't hit the deck hard when needed.

 

Tye, Sams, Richardson, Abott can all hit the deck very hard.  Don't know about Ellis.

bhuvi hits deck harder then Sams and has more new ball value then any of those Aussie avg bowlers . 

 

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, straighttalk said:

I dont think Deepak Chahar should be in the list. Arshdeep and Bhuvi offers same skill set. We need a bowler like Shami to offer variety and maybe even Siraj with recent improvement.

How does Shami offer variety from what Deepak Chahar would give? Shami is good with new ball but mediocre in death overs. Same with Deepak Chahar.

 

Arshdeep is pretty good in death overs and he will have Bumrah at the other end. With new bowl, he will have Bhuvi at other end. Deepak Chahar is only backup of Bhuvi, both can't play together.

[Lord]

23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

shami has been a complete failure at international level t20 

 

Bhuvi n Arshdeep arent same- Arshdeep new ball value doesnt have much sample as of now whereas bhuvi is best in world in PP 

Arshdeep has stronger value in middle over then bhuvi 

Arshdeep is a left armer so that is enough variety

If chahar goes he ll be backup to bhuvi , not playing in same XI unless its a damp wkt 

Siraj didnt help himself with a poor IPL 

 

13 minutes ago, Majestic said:

How does Shami offer variety from what Deepak Chahar would give? Shami is good with new ball but mediocre in death overs. Same with Deepak Chahar.

 

Arshdeep is pretty good in death overs and he will have Bumrah at the other end. With new bowl, he will have Bhuvi at other end. Deepak Chahar is only backup of Bhuvi, both can't play together.

 

If Bhuvi and Harshal can play together, so can Bhuvi and Chahar.

 

Its three way race between Harshal,Chahar and Arshdeep. Arshdeep completes the attack but others two can bat. Chahar especially has improved his hitting.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

 

If Bhuvi and Harshal can play together, so can Bhuvi and Chahar.

 

Its three way race between Harshal,Chahar and Arshdeep. Arshdeep completes the attack but others two can bat. Chahar especially has improved his hitting.

They all provide something different and yes in one of the games that lower order batting will come in handy