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14 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Pakistani pacers will be quicker and Shaheen will extract more help than Bhuvi with new ball.
What the hell we are doing with Bhuvi then,

1) he can't play at no 7 or 8(don't expect 20 of 14 balls from him)
2) Other teams have bowlers with superior skillsets with new ball
3) His death over bowling is not best in the world
4) He don't have variations like a bumper ball, only knuckles or occasional yorkers.

So, he is jack of all and master of none. 

Actually bhuvi has a very good record vs Pakistanis if I am not wrong. It's chookrah jaspreet who has a poor record vs pak in odi. Not sure about t20. Maybe better there. 

 

Bhuvi

Arshdeep

Are we going with avesh or siraj? 

Kuldeep the babar slayer

Guess? Bish? 

 

Would love to see siraj there. Pace bounce etc. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said:

Pakistani pacers will be quicker and Shaheen will extract more help than Bhuvi with new ball.
What the hell we are doing with Bhuvi then,

 

 

 

What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20

Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill

Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him 

 

On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said:

 

1) he can't play at no 7 or 8(don't expect 20 of 14 balls from him)

 

Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen

 

On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said:

2) Other teams have bowlers with superior skillsets with new ball

 

What are they doing with their skillset then ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said:

 

3) His death over bowling is not best in the world

 

Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death 

and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world 

 

here a recent xample- 

Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage)

bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt

 

https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over

 

On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said:

4) He don't have variations like a bumper ball, only knuckles or occasional yorkers.

 

He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace 

his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20

Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill

Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him 

 

 

Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen

 

 

What are they doing with their skillset then ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death 

and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world 

 

here a recent xample- 

Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage)

bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt

 

https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over

 

 

He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace 

his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle

So bhuvi better than shaheen? I am not being sarcastic. I am genuinely asking you. Do you believe bhuvi> shaheen in t20? 

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20

Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill

Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him 

 

 

>> It's always better to get the context, before jumping ahead. There was a post where it mentioned that Shaheen was able to extract every inch of swing in air which Bhuvi couldn't, my response was on that, stating what's the need of Bhuvi then if the other new ball bowlers are able to use new ball better than Bhuvi (which is his primary skillset). It was not a discussion of pace, but the discussion of using new ball with proper utilization. 

>> On second point, Starc, Cummins, Southee all can make 20(14) runs. This was again based on the fact if Bhuvi is to bat at 7/8, as this situation can arise given the loopholes in our batting order.

>> He bowled well in that match, no doubt. But even you also know how toothless he (infact most of our bowlers) has been in few ICC tournaments recently. If he turns it back, that's appreciated, but I would like to keep my hopes down instead.

>> Again, it depends on pitch. If there is grip, cutters are useful. You know it very well, bumper ball is a great asset for anyone to have, even Boult has that.

P.S. -> Not sure, how to multi quote the comments, hence I merged everything in one. Hope you're able to link it to your original answers.

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10 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

>> Again, it depends on pitch. If there is grip, cutters are useful. You know it very well, bumper ball is a great asset for anyone to have, even Boult has that.

Myth - purpose of slower one is to beat the batsman timing which is the xact purpose of speed to........speed rushes and pace off break the momentum.........idea is deception ab jaise marzi karo 

I can show many slower ball working in aus . Slower ball has worked around the world in t20 ..............it will even work on glass 

Yes on turner it becomes lethal but doesnt mean it doesnt work where it doesnt grip 

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5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20

Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill

Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him 

 

 

Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen

 

 

What are they doing with their skillset then ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death 

and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world 

 

here a recent xample- 

Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage)

bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt

 

https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over

 

 

He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace 

his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle

Shaheen who? Unbelievable stats, bhuvi way ahead of him, Shaheen is massively overrated, in tests his numbers against the big 4 are pretty average bar south Africa, he has not yet played 4-5 match series overseas which our pacers have been doing since 2014 non stop. Bhuvi, bumrah, arshdeep with pandya is a pretty decent attack but we must get it right with the spinners, ATM on form bishnoi and axar should start unless India go the attacking route of bishnoi and chahal.

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20

Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill

Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him 

 

 

Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen

 

 

What are they doing with their skillset then ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death 

and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world 

 

here a recent xample- 

Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage)

bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt

 

https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over

 

 

He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace 

his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle

Bhuvi's constant failures in ICC events will always be against him.  He has a chance to redeem himself.  He has been a below average ODI bowler for ages but his recent T20I stats have shown good form.   But I do get why people still don't like him much. 

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Bhuvi has stopped/ reduced bowling knuckle balls which are most high risk even more than a low full toss as batters easily pick them. 

So he might have improved on a certain front.  His pace is up in mid 130's which is good for him.   Trundling at 120's which he was doing led to his kick out from ODIs. 

That being said he is in the squad based on merit this time.  Here's hoping he doesn't go back to mid 125kph bowling. 

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On 8/11/2022 at 2:34 AM, Lone Wolf said:

Bhuvi has stopped/ reduced bowling knuckle balls which are most high risk even more than a low full toss as batters easily pick them. 

So he might have improved on a certain front.  His pace is up in mid 130's which is good for him.   Trundling at 120's which he was doing led to his kick out from ODIs. 

That being said he is in the squad based on merit this time.  Here's hoping he doesn't go back to mid 125kph bowling. 

Sometimes I feel management gets things right too when they feel like doing so. 

Usually very biased choices in terms of player selection.

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