Lone Wolf Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, speed_thrills said: Lol @ yours Yep lol @ yours for losing to SL and WI in a Test match Link to comment
speed_thrills Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Yep lol @ yours for losing to SL and WI in a Test match Dude, I am Indian. Link to comment
Jay Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 14 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: Pakistani pacers will be quicker and Shaheen will extract more help than Bhuvi with new ball. What the hell we are doing with Bhuvi then, 1) he can't play at no 7 or 8(don't expect 20 of 14 balls from him) 2) Other teams have bowlers with superior skillsets with new ball 3) His death over bowling is not best in the world 4) He don't have variations like a bumper ball, only knuckles or occasional yorkers. So, he is jack of all and master of none. Actually bhuvi has a very good record vs Pakistanis if I am not wrong. It's chookrah jaspreet who has a poor record vs pak in odi. Not sure about t20. Maybe better there. Bhuvi Arshdeep Are we going with avesh or siraj? Kuldeep the babar slayer Guess? Bish? Would love to see siraj there. Pace bounce etc. Link to comment
HamHindustani Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) There should be a moulvi , aurangzeb, taimurlund who will teach them to do bending on cricket field ala faqar yonus Edited August 10, 2022 by HamHindustani Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, HamHindustani said: There should be a moulvi , aurangzeb, taimurlund who will teach them to do bending on cricket field ala faqar yonus They're well versed with all these things by default....it's injected in their veins from birth. Link to comment
HamHindustani Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: They're well versed with all these things by default....it's injected in their veins from birth. By birth I am sure the are born humans. Corruption happens immediately after that Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said: Pakistani pacers will be quicker and Shaheen will extract more help than Bhuvi with new ball.What the hell we are doing with Bhuvi then, What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20 Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said: 1) he can't play at no 7 or 8(don't expect 20 of 14 balls from him) Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said: 2) Other teams have bowlers with superior skillsets with new ball What are they doing with their skillset then ?? On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said: 3) His death over bowling is not best in the world Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world here a recent xample- Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage) bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over On 8/9/2022 at 3:12 AM, singhvivek141 said: 4) He don't have variations like a bumper ball, only knuckles or occasional yorkers. He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle Edited August 10, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Jay Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20 Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen What are they doing with their skillset then ?? Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world here a recent xample- Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage) bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle So bhuvi better than shaheen? I am not being sarcastic. I am genuinely asking you. Do you believe bhuvi> shaheen in t20? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: So bhuvi better than shaheen? I am not being sarcastic. I am genuinely asking you. Do you believe bhuvi> shaheen in t20? will decide when their career ends . Bhuvi has seen a lot of ups n down but shaheen is yet to see that curve , Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20 Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him >> It's always better to get the context, before jumping ahead. There was a post where it mentioned that Shaheen was able to extract every inch of swing in air which Bhuvi couldn't, my response was on that, stating what's the need of Bhuvi then if the other new ball bowlers are able to use new ball better than Bhuvi (which is his primary skillset). It was not a discussion of pace, but the discussion of using new ball with proper utilization. >> On second point, Starc, Cummins, Southee all can make 20(14) runs. This was again based on the fact if Bhuvi is to bat at 7/8, as this situation can arise given the loopholes in our batting order. >> He bowled well in that match, no doubt. But even you also know how toothless he (infact most of our bowlers) has been in few ICC tournaments recently. If he turns it back, that's appreciated, but I would like to keep my hopes down instead. >> Again, it depends on pitch. If there is grip, cutters are useful. You know it very well, bumper ball is a great asset for anyone to have, even Boult has that. P.S. -> Not sure, how to multi quote the comments, hence I merged everything in one. Hope you're able to link it to your original answers. Edited August 10, 2022 by singhvivek141 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: >> Again, it depends on pitch. If there is grip, cutters are useful. You know it very well, bumper ball is a great asset for anyone to have, even Boult has that. Myth - purpose of slower one is to beat the batsman timing which is the xact purpose of speed to........speed rushes and pace off break the momentum.........idea is deception ab jaise marzi karo I can show many slower ball working in aus . Slower ball has worked around the world in t20 ..............it will even work on glass Yes on turner it becomes lethal but doesnt mean it doesnt work where it doesnt grip Link to comment
Mesky99 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20 Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen What are they doing with their skillset then ?? Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world here a recent xample- Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage) bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle Shaheen who? Unbelievable stats, bhuvi way ahead of him, Shaheen is massively overrated, in tests his numbers against the big 4 are pretty average bar south Africa, he has not yet played 4-5 match series overseas which our pacers have been doing since 2014 non stop. Bhuvi, bumrah, arshdeep with pandya is a pretty decent attack but we must get it right with the spinners, ATM on form bishnoi and axar should start unless India go the attacking route of bishnoi and chahal. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: What stupid logic.............have u seen bhuvi performance in t20 Just becoz someone has more pace doesnt make then better bowler.............pace is just one skill not every skill Cummins, shami, prasidh, musa, hasnain, naseem, lockie all of them have more pace then bhuvi................but they arent better t20 bowlers then him Neither can bumrah, starc or shaheen What are they doing with their skillset then ?? Neither is shaheen's , Trent boult is terrible in death and bhuvi death bowling is better then many many many in world here a recent xample- Vs WI- 29 needed in 12................eden gardens+ dew + 2 set batsman pooran+powell (freak hitters and both set with dew advantage) bhuvi comes n gives just 4 runs and takes a wkt https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5556238/4-runs--a-wicket-bhuvi-delivers-a-superb-penultimate-over He has a very good leg cutter and thats enough variation coz variation isnt just about types of balls its also about length n pace his yorker is pretty good and it depends a lot on your fitness as well............ppl started judging his skill when his fitness struggle was on ...............no bowler can be at their best with fitness struggle Bhuvi's constant failures in ICC events will always be against him. He has a chance to redeem himself. He has been a below average ODI bowler for ages but his recent T20I stats have shown good form. But I do get why people still don't like him much. Mosher, Lord and Frustrated 3 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 Bhuvi has stopped/ reduced bowling knuckle balls which are most high risk even more than a low full toss as batters easily pick them. So he might have improved on a certain front. His pace is up in mid 130's which is good for him. Trundling at 120's which he was doing led to his kick out from ODIs. That being said he is in the squad based on merit this time. Here's hoping he doesn't go back to mid 125kph bowling. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 2:34 AM, Lone Wolf said: Bhuvi has stopped/ reduced bowling knuckle balls which are most high risk even more than a low full toss as batters easily pick them. So he might have improved on a certain front. His pace is up in mid 130's which is good for him. Trundling at 120's which he was doing led to his kick out from ODIs. That being said he is in the squad based on merit this time. Here's hoping he doesn't go back to mid 125kph bowling. Sometimes I feel management gets things right too when they feel like doing so. Usually very biased choices in terms of player selection. Link to comment
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