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9 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Karan Johar's Takht probably was shelved for similar reasons...

it was shelved coz it went way over budget and post pandemic that budget wasnt viable. KJO is a smart guy so he saw it early. Brahamastra has been in making for many many yrs so they cudnt pull the plug or else if that film didnt went into production like takhat that also wud have also been shelved 

 

Ashwathama another project was shelved for same reason-

 

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many many high budget projects have been shelved due to pandemic 

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10 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

Most important thing u are forgetting is stars are overpaid, aamir srk charge 100 cr or close to it per film aamir, akshay and Ajay charge 75-80 cr though takes profit share from film guys like ranbir and ranvir charge 60-65 cr per film , while guys like kartik charge 40-45 and then govinda wannabe charge 30-35 same with sid not sure about ayushman and abba dabba jabba expression,bc itna paisa logey to script pe kya kaam karoge, content as well, bollywood need good scripts ASAT

No aamir and srk dont charge anything now, SRK gets on board as producer and takes profit..........aamir takes huge chunk of profit only if his films crosses a certain number (for eg he ll only get money if films crosses 100 cr but then he gets a major %) Their strategies are correct 

Salman n Akshay are the ones that have gone crazy with prices , that and others stars strategies have hurt the budgets 

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10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

it was shelved coz it went way over budget and post pandemic that budget wasnt viable. KJO is a smart guy so he saw it early. Brahamastra has been in making for many many yrs so they cudnt pull the plug or else if that film didnt went into production like takhat that also wud have also been shelved 

 

Ashwathama another project was shelved for same reason-

 

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many many high budget projects have been shelved due to pandemic 

Few reports saying KJO hasn't given up on Takht yet & called it his Life's project...  With his reputation even if the movie is epic it would tank.  Someone like Bhansali might have broken box office with same storyline 

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/karan-johar-takht-not-shelved-after-rocky-aur-rani-ki-prem-kahani-7581193/

 

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9 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Few reports saying KJO hasn't given up on Takht yet & called it his Life's project...  With his reputation even if the movie is epic it would tank.  Someone like Bhansali might have broken box office with same storyline 

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/karan-johar-takht-not-shelved-after-rocky-aur-rani-ki-prem-kahani-7581193/

 

chalti nhin chalti baad ki baad hai no one thinks that they are bad 

 

issue with many films were was once pandemic hits films went on hault but the 2 things didnt stop increasing was - interest on loan taken for making a films and salaries of crew.............2 yrs of that just made the budgets go bonkers so many many films were shelved .

 

Yes KJO doesnt want to giveup coz its a damn good script but now is not the time. He ll wait once times are better...........ab achi bane ya nhin wo baad ki baat hai 

Bhansali also waited for yrs to make bajirao mastani and still waiting to make baijiu bawra 

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3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

chalti nhin chalti baad ki baad hai no one thinks that they are bad 

 

issue with many films were was once pandemic hits films went on hault but the 2 things didnt stop increasing was - interest on loan taken for making a films and salaries of crew.............2 yrs of that just made the budgets go bonkers so many many films were shelved .

 

Yes KJO doesnt want to giveup coz its a damn good script but now is not the time. He ll wait once times are better...........ab achi bane ya nhin wo baad ki baat hai 

Bhansali also waited for yrs to make bajirao mastani and still waiting to make baijiu bawra 

Yeah maybe 4-5 years down the line would be the time.  Epic movies like this will take time.  Maybe few tweaks in the cast with time & who knows. 

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21 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Hmm...Answer the point man. 

 

Aren't well made masala films fun to watch? And vast majority of the audience is looking for fun in a movie. That is how you make a blockbuster in India. 

The masala films which Priyardarshan made were ACTUALLY Funny; Hera Pheri etc. When was the last times genuinely funny film made that was not full of sexual innuendos? To me personally I do not find 'masala' films enjoyable as these are reinforcing the low iq stereotype of the Indian audience- if you want to compete with the international film market we need to get rid of this obsession with masala films.

 

Even films like Singham and Sooryavanshi are only fit for the 90s era- India and the audience has moved on. Previously the argument was that these masala films were made for the working class section of the population- the class is still there so why now these films are flopping at the box office? Because even these people have access to phones and TVs at home which they can get OTT subscription so why would they pay money to watch this in an expensive theatre?

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Didnt most of the writers and script directors walked out during or before the pandemic? That’s one big reason. No talent left. And then you have nepotism where actors and actresses who can’t string two hindi sentences in a row are given the films. How will they ever connect to the audience? And the dimwits have the gall to say boycott us. Toh mat dekho? Haaan taimur ki amma. Nahin dekhenge. * marao.

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 Atlee’s Jawan is making a lot of buzz. The era of multi-starrers will be back in BollyDaWood. They have to unite against the rising competition. Remember the 80s and 90s. 
 

Hritik and Salman are also making cameos and who knows at this rate even Aamir might drop in.

 


Now, Bollywood is dubbing all movies in regional languages to cut into the new markets

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30 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

The masala films which Priyardarshan made were ACTUALLY Funny; Hera Pheri etc. When was the last times genuinely funny film made that was not full of sexual innuendos? To me personally I do not find 'masala' films enjoyable as these are reinforcing the low iq stereotype of the Indian audience- if you want to compete with the international film market we need to get rid of this obsession with masala films.

 

Even films like Singham and Sooryavanshi are only fit for the 90s era- India and the audience has moved on. Previously the argument was that these masala films were made for the working class section of the population- the class is still there so why now these films are flopping at the box office? Because even these people have access to phones and TVs at home which they can get OTT subscription so why would they pay money to watch this in an expensive theatre?

Few points

 

  1.  Masala films reinforce escapism. Escapism is not really a sign of low iq.  
  2. Even international audience will enjoy a well made masala film. Look at the reception for RRR. 
  3. Indian audience has moved on. yes. To a taste that needs a higher finesse for a masala film. They want less OTT and increased subtlety and variety in story. They will thrash a horrible masala film like Aacharya or Shamshera. But they will enjoy something like Pushpa or RRR or KGF. Look at the collections. Even Anurag Kashyap said that he enjoyed Pushpa..
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4 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Few points

 

  1.  Masala films reinforce escapism. Escapism is not really a sign of low iq.  
  2. Even international audience will enjoy a well made masala film. Look at the reception for RRR. 
  3. Indian audience has moved on. yes. To a taste that needs a higher finesse for a masala film. They want less OTT and increased subtlety and variety in story. They will thrash a horrible masala film like Aacharya or Shamshera. But they will enjoy something like Pushpa or RRR or KGF. Look at the collections. Even Anurag Kashyap said that he enjoyed Pushpa..

 

This escapism point has come up many times as a justification... why is it that Indians are the only people with that much stress in their day to day life where they need unrealistic masala films to escape? DO other people in the world not have stress? Their film industries don't focus on this; TBF even in Hollywood there is SMALL market for films like American Pie but these don't define the industry and these are still largely driven by good actors, content, original storyline and great CGI/VFX. 

 

The film you mentioned RRR KGF, Pushpa.. and to a large extent Kartikey 2 or Kashmir files.. whats the common link in them? The industry as a whole are redefining cinema by bringing original content, with good VFX and not insulting the Indian culture, country or Hindu Dharma.

 

Saaala kutta Kashyap also said he wishes that RRR goes as the Oscars entry and he hopes the Kashmir Files doesnt... who the hell does he think he is. The public are giving this industry a befitting reply by using their economic boycott powers as opposed to Sir Tan se Judwa gang.

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I would force all the bollywood directors to read the cult classic book "The clash of civilizations".  The point is that modernization is NOT westernization. 

 

There is an assumption in Mumbai film elite that India will be a brown america one day. No way. India will be India. 

 

Make movies that are rooted and "connectable" for the masses. 

 

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2 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

This escapism point has come up many times as a justification... why is it that Indians are the only people with that much stress in their day to day life where they need unrealistic masala films to escape? DO other people in the world not have stress? Their film industries don't focus on this; TBF even in Hollywood there is SMALL market for films like American Pie but these don't define the industry and these are still largely driven by good actors, content, original storyline and great CGI/VFX. 

 

The film you mentioned RRR KGF, Pushpa.. and to a large extent Kartikey 2 or Kashmir files.. whats the common link in them? The industry as a whole are redefining cinema by bringing original content, with good VFX and not insulting the Indian culture, country or Hindu Dharma.

 

Saaala kutta Kashyap also said he wishes that RRR goes as the Oscars entry and he hopes the Kashmir Files doesnt... who the hell does he think he is. The public are giving this industry a befitting reply by using their economic boycott powers as opposed to Sir Tan se Judwa gang.

  1. Yeah. Anurag Kashyap is a piece of s**t. No doubt in that. A westernized indian that would eat masala dosa with spoon and fork. I really hope Kashmir files gets the national award for best film and director. 
  2. Even i have to see why indian people need escapism. Never seen this anywhere.  

 

 

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31 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 Atlee’s Jawan is making a lot of buzz. The era of multi-starrers will be back in BollyDaWood. They have to unite against the rising competition. Remember the 80s and 90s. 
 

Hritik and Salman are also making cameos and who knows at this rate even Aamir might drop in.

 


Now, Bollywood is dubbing all movies in regional languages to cut into the new markets

The taste of tamil audience is much much different than from rest of India. This will be a big test for atlee. 

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

it was shelved coz it went way over budget and post pandemic that budget wasnt viable. KJO is a smart guy so he saw it early. Brahamastra has been in making for many many yrs so they cudnt pull the plug or else if that film didnt went into production like takhat that also wud have also been shelved 

 

Ashwathama another project was shelved for same reason-

 

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many many high budget projects have been shelved due to pandemic 

Actually ashwatthama isnt shelved it was a rumour 

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9 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

Actually ashwatthama isnt shelved it was a rumour 

for time being it was and still it hasnt gotten a green light  , studios are not confident that Vicky Kaushal can pull of such a big budget . The only way film will go ahead once the studios are sure that it can get back its money as it will be a very expensive project 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Number said:

Not sure how true is this but now even OTT platforms are reluctant to spend money on Bollywood movies.

Most are asking to release in theaters first.

true it is, they have learned from their mistakes and now anyways 95% films fail so it saves OTT the money. How ??

  • Once the film is in theatres and then comes to OTT- its not fresh
  • If its flop then its producer who is on defensive since he needs to cover whatever he can, then OTT are in string position to bargain. Thats why i said if Lal singh chadha wud have been a straight direct OTT release they wud have been in profits and not to forget u save huge huge Marketing and promotion cost.  
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