Why are we trying to bring back Trundler Culture in Indian cricket again ?? Our pace bowling revolution started with the pace and bounce of Bumrah and Shami.and the height of Ishant.

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, maniac said:

 

 

He made a game out of it but that will only wrongly make it look like a good idea to play with these guys than quick bowlers 

 

 

[putrevus]

You don't get polished skills from a young fast bowler.But you can get pace, you need to guide that young fast bowler with pace to develop other skills.

 

Captain and coaches along with senior fast bowlers have to be guides. You cannot teach pace. Rauf bowled a great last over along with Naseem's last over. Bhuvi will be always hittable in last overs.

[SanjayITSupport]

We need Aashish Nehra Back

[mani sha]

Need bowler with death skills - bumrah 

height bounce and pace - krishna? Avesh is clearly not good at anything 

Left arm - mohsin khan 

skiddy , seam position - Shami 

swing , can bat -  chahar 

slower bowls. , no 8 bat - Harshal 

all rounder - pandya 

 

bumrah , pandya , chahar , Harshal , krishna , mohsin and Shami are our best pace attack . Siraj can sneak in place of bhuvi imo . Unsure why Shami and mohsin not being used 

[Mosher]

8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bring Umran, Kuldeep, Kartik together. Give Prasidh freedom to just rip it. You have the quartet. 

Add Mohsin in there too. Will be entertaining to watch. 

[raki05]

I can tell you Bhuvi will get same treatment even when he has taken 8 wkts alone before death overs. Bowlers which are slow will get same treatment as spinners in death overs. I am not sure why it's difficult to understand bhvi has been bashed in even ipl in death overs. Indian TM and SM experts are clueless when they present stats. As if whole public is chutiya and don't watch cricket. Chahal, Bhuvi kind of mental midgets doesn't deserve a place I thought after 21 t20 wc we will never see this Bhuvi guy. But this pathetic tm kept playing himin biletral rather than giving chance to young fast bowlers. Chahal also the same case. These 2 super midgets would always fail against good teams.

[SRT100]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Just pace is not enough.

 

Otber skills are needed with pace too.

 

But pace and bounce are needed too.

 

Pakistan is one extreme ... They will pick a quick bowler even if he lacks other skills.

 

India is the other extreme ... we totally ignore the need for pace if possible. 

 

The Australian or South African or Windies of 1975 to 1995 approach of ....  Pace + Bounce + Other skills is the way to go.

 

 

 

WI had IMO the most lethal combination of fast bowlers ever assembled.

 

Roberts, Holding, Marshall, Garner and Croft was a combination that will be forever peerless. Ive seen plenty of youtube videos of their bowling.

 

All had unique skillsets, it wasnt just about bowling lightning fast either.

 

Ambrose took over the mantle after these guys.

 

Im not sure if you are ever aware about Ambrose being a part of Australian Classic Stories, but this was arguably one of the greatest ODI performance by Ambrose.

 

If you have time to watch, this is true masterclass.

 

 

 

[SRT100]

49 minutes ago, raki05 said:

I can tell you Bhuvi will get same treatment even when he has taken 8 wkts alone before death overs. Bowlers which are slow will get same treatment as spinners in death overs. I am not sure why it's difficult to understand bhvi has been bashed in even ipl in death overs. Indian TM and SM experts are clueless when they present stats. As if whole public is chutiya and don't watch cricket. Chahal, Bhuvi kind of mental midgets doesn't deserve a place I thought after 21 t20 wc we will never see this Bhuvi guy. But this pathetic tm kept playing himin biletral rather than giving chance to young fast bowlers. Chahal also the same case. These 2 super midgets would always fail against good teams.

 

Im pretty sure some of the Australian women bowler faster than Boobi.

 

His pace in Australia, is perfect to send the ball out of the stadiums for 6. He will be delivering beautiful pies for international batsmen down under.

 

Chahal may do ok as Afghani bowlers in the Big Bash do well down under.

[SRT100]

7 hours ago, SanjayITSupport said:

We need Aashish Nehra Back

Nehra was a beautiful left arm fast bowler. Wow. Those yorkers too when on target were lethal.

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

We need someone like steyn ,Indian coaches can't handle pacers.

They don't understand true meaning and importance of pace,they despise pace and look for excuses to drop them

For them pace means wildfire, uncontrollable 

Even on preparatory tours say A games they try most possible number of trundlers in the name of stats and most importantly dont have inputs to share with budding pacers

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

I can tell you Bhuvi will get same treatment even when he has taken 8 wkts alone before death overs. Bowlers which are slow will get same treatment as spinners in death overs. I am not sure why it's difficult to understand bhvi has been bashed in even ipl in death overs. Indian TM and SM experts are clueless when they present stats. As if whole public is chutiya and don't watch cricket. Chahal, Bhuvi kind of mental midgets doesn't deserve a place I thought after 21 t20 wc we will never see this Bhuvi guy. But this pathetic tm kept playing himin biletral rather than giving chance to young fast bowlers. Chahal also the same case. These 2 super midgets would always fail against good teams.

Very well said

[express bowling]

Medium pacers can get hit in T20s

 

Fast bowlers can get hit in T20s 

 

So, feeling " safe " by picking line and length medium pacers don't really work in big games in T20s. 

 

The only way to perform consistently in T20s is to have wicket taking bowlers. And pace or bounce is usually needed for this if we are talking about pacers.

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Medium pacers can get hit in T20s

 

Fast bowlers can get hit in T20s 

 

So, feeling " safe " by picking line and length medium pacers don't really work in big games in T20s. 

 

The only way to perform consistently in T20s is to have wicket taking bowlers. And pace or bounce is usually needed for this if we are talking about pacers.

Problem is we are playing one too many trundlers together, opposition is always in the game against such XIs

Had it been a paltry score ,they would have won it without breaking sweat like the 2021 wc game,this one here is even more pathetic

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

 

The confusion comes from a total lack of first principles based thinking in the team management. In AUS, they have zero illusions about the kind of quicks they need to keep their dominance in tests - tall and quick. They are not at all subtle about what they are looking for among Australia's next generation of quicks in tests. This clarity is not present in our cricket at all.

 

 

Exactly !   Very well put.  Superb post !

 

For the last 50 years or even more, in most countries with good pace attacks,  the Benchmark Pace Bowler has been tall and quick. 

 

That's the target to achieve. The odd pacer, who lacks one of these attributes, sometimes sneaks in because he is an amazing wicket taker. 

 

Teams like Australia, South Africa, Windies when they were great and even Pakistan to some extent, have or had a very clear vision about the ideal pacer ... which is why most ATG pacers have come from these countries. 

 

And it's not rocket science either ... Ideal pacer should be tall and quick.  Simple really. Almost anyone should be able to understand it. But the Indian cricket fraternity do not. 

 

Our ideal pacer is someone whose line and length is good and who is economical in low profile games and who atleast pretends to swing the ball. That's it. You do these and you are the ideal Indian " pacer ". 

 

Total lack of clarity about what is needed to produce ATG pacers. 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by express bowling

[putrevus]

Playing Bhuvi in all those meaningless bilaterals was criminal. They could have given some youngsters chances.They kept playing him in all those matches.

[express bowling]

Hmmm ......

[Suhaan]

Such is his charisma,no words......
Join and let the words pour in

 

 

[express bowling]

On 9/4/2022 at 11:43 PM, express bowling said:

Our preference for safe economical bowlers over wicket taking bowlers cost us this match despite scoring 181.

 

Unless a team picks wickets, most scores are difficult to defend these days. 

 

 

And it happens again.

 

Our medium pacers could not pick a single wicket in this crucial match. 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Akram saying emphatically that medium pacers won't work in Australia.

Edited September 6, 2022 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

What did they call Kuldeep Sen for?

Edited September 6, 2022 by rkt.india