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13 hours ago, Swag said:

One of X3 or Q5, leaning towards X3.

Regarding German vehicles.....If new.....go for it, if pre-owned....then maybe about 2 years old while still under warranty... Also it helps bring the price down. If you are self employed, then doesn't matter.....just like I am, I have owned a Bimmer since 2008....I just use the maintenance expense invoices for my tax write off purpose.  

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6 hours ago, Khota said:

Both German. I will take a pass. They do look nice though.

German vehicles while under warranty are fine to buy....another very important advice I want to give to anyone here who is looking to purchase a good conditioned pre-owned vehicle, especially a luxury model.....please DO NOT purchase a lease returned vehicle, reason is...luxury vehicles require supreme fuel, many people who purchase vehicles on a few years lease just pump basic gas into them coz they have no intention of owning them in future & if anything happens to the engine, initial damage to the engine doesn't show while the vehicle is still new....later on, nothing but problems.

 

I have personal knowledge regarding this....few of my clients who leased flashy luxury vehicles admitted that even though top grade fuel was recommended...they just fill regular gas since they will be returning them after the lease expires. Even though it is a cheap mentality to save some gas money...some people do it.

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5 hours ago, Under_Score said:

German vehicles while under warranty are fine to buy....another very important advice I want to give to anyone here who is looking to purchase a good conditioned pre-owned vehicle, especially a luxury model.....please DO NOT purchase a lease returned vehicle, reason is...luxury vehicles require supreme fuel, many people who purchase vehicles on a few years lease just pump basic gas into them coz they have no intention of owning them in future & if anything happens to the engine, initial damage to the engine doesn't show while the vehicle is still new....later on, nothing but problems.

 

I have personal knowledge regarding this....few of my clients who leased flashy luxury vehicles admitted that even though top grade fuel was recommended...they just fill regular gas since they will be returning them after the lease expires. Even though it is a cheap mentality to save some gas money...some people do it.

Good point. Us desis have some bad habits.

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19 hours ago, Khota said:

Both German. I will take a pass. They do look nice though.

Just want to enjoy good ICE cars before the inevitable electric reign starts:laugh:

I have a Passat and it has been reliable so far, hopefully that trend continues.

Difficult to beat the Germans if you are looking for the driving experience, I travel quite a lot and a good car makes it enjoyable.

Other than X3/Q5 I've also been looking at Lexus RX/NX models, but have no experience of driving/being in one, not sure what to make of it.

 

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13 hours ago, Under_Score said:

Regarding German vehicles.....If new.....go for it, if pre-owned....then maybe about 2 years old while still under warranty... Also it helps bring the price down. If you are self employed, then doesn't matter.....just like I am, I have owned a Bimmer since 2008....I just use the maintenance expense invoices for my tax write off purpose.  

Not buying new, like to keep changing my cars every 2/3 years:)

I was looking for a 3/4/5 year old car with low miles/1owner etc., but agree on the warranty bit, it can be helpful.

Also the point you mentioned re leased cars would be a good one to check.

Any opinion on Lexus RX/NX cars vis-a-vis the Germans?

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41 minutes ago, Swag said:

Not buying new, like to keep changing my cars every 2/3 years:)

I was looking for a 3/4/5 year old car with low miles/1owner etc., but agree on the warranty bit, it can be helpful.

Also the point you mentioned re leased cars would be a good one to check.

Any opinion on Lexus RX/NX cars vis-a-vis the Germans?

Lexus would be a better option, I know a German car repair only specialist Garage owner, he himself drives a Japanese car :wp3:

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5 hours ago, Swag said:

Just want to enjoy good ICE cars before the inevitable electric reign starts:laugh:

I have a Passat and it has been reliable so far, hopefully that trend continues.

Difficult to beat the Germans if you are looking for the driving experience, I travel quite a lot and a good car makes it enjoyable.

Other than X3/Q5 I've also been looking at Lexus RX/NX models, but have no experience of driving/being in one, not sure what to make of it.

 

Lexus anytime any day over the German crap.

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5 hours ago, Khota said:

Lexus anytime any day over the German crap.

Sir, what did the Germans do to you? it almost sounds like you have a fued with them going back centuries :fight:

I'd argue European cars are more refined and fun to drive than their counterparts.  Don't shoot me, just saying...:scared:

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3 hours ago, Swag said:

Sir, what did the Germans do to you? it almost sounds like you have a fued with them going back centuries :fight:

I'd argue European cars are more refined and fun to drive than their counterparts.  Don't shoot me, just saying...:scared:

You may be right when it comes to quality of finish, interiors and drive experience. Problem with German cars is electronics. 
 

If You can mostly ignore the electronics, no issue with German cars. However owners of German cars don’t ignore it while others do

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4 hours ago, Swag said:

Sir, what did the Germans do to you? it almost sounds like you have a fued with them going back centuries :fight:

I'd argue European cars are more refined and fun to drive than their counterparts.  Don't shoot me, just saying...:scared:

Germans did not do anything to me. I have compared products and German engineering is way behind Japanese and US.

Germans don't make anything like a Camry or Corolla. Their performance is great, but they do not last long.

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

You may be right when it comes to quality of finish, interiors and drive experience. Problem with German cars is electronics. 
 

If You can mostly ignore the electronics, no issue with German cars. However owners of German cars don’t ignore it while others do

It goes beyond electronics. Engines burn oil, rings get stuck, crank shafts have cracks. No good.

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5 hours ago, Swag said:

Sir, what did the Germans do to you? it almost sounds like you have a fued with them going back centuries :fight:

I'd argue European cars are more refined and fun to drive than their counterparts.  Don't shoot me, just saying...:scared:

Let me be more objective. It depends. If you have money go for German cars. They do perform better. If you are not rich and want to run car to ground, go for Japanese or US cars.

 

Looks, performance and driving experience is far better on German cars. That to me is negated by city driving because you can get no idea of performance. Now I have never driven on Auto Bahn but that is not my typical commute.

 

When it comes to Reliability, Cost of Ownership, Durability and Value for money Japanese cars are far superior. 

 

Let me put it this way, if I have to go around the world ten times, I will pick a Maruti over an VW or Audi anyday. And Maruti is a lower tier Japanese manufacturer.

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On 9/18/2022 at 7:43 AM, Khota said:

Let me be more objective. It depends. If you have money go for German cars. They do perform better. If you are not rich and want to run car to ground, go for Japanese or US cars.

 

And that's where a Lexus, I felt, was a good way to meet both goals. And I could afford a pre-owned one and grabbed it.  Best car decision ever.

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Circling back to the discussion of manual transmission - I had sworn that I would always have a manual transmission car.  And did have a few.  But not any more :-(.  And it is becoming almost impossible to find them any more in the US.  The clutchless shift is just not the same.  The pull you get from changing at just the right rpm and releasing the clutch in perfect sync while hitting the gas pedal - it's like a symphony. 

 

Also, I am really going to miss IC engines, especially ones with manual transmission and the distinct sounds they produce.  I've never owned a hybrid or EV, but have heard others and they just all sound the same ... like a whiny mosquito.  Growing up, I really enjoyed identifying vehicles by their engine sound - Rajdoot, Yezdi, Bullet all had distinct sounds, as did Fiats and Ambassadors.  Most of all, Ashok Leyland vs Tata lorries/buses were starkly distinct - the Ashok Leyland sound was my favorite.  Not going to happen with EVs.  Oh well ... I can make that sacrifice for the environment, can't I?

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