Should Pakistan play more games against Associates?

[Frustrated]

@Sharjah-Harjah@badmash@pak4life @Lala_is_back After having surrendered 1-4 to NZ C side in T20s, the Lumber1 team (Pooks) hv handed over their ass to NZ C (0-3) in style.  Looking at all this, I hv a free advice to PCB.   Before boarding the return flight to home , PCB should try to arrange a 5 match ODI series with NZ Women team.  I think your team can achieve atleast 1 Win.  Coz so far the Lunns hv accumulated way too much 

[Vilander]

Looks like NZ has been ripping new posterior orifices for pak past few days. 

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, Frustrated said:

@Sharjah-Harjah@badmash@pak4life @Lala_is_back After having surrendered 1-4 to NZ C side in T20s, the Lumber1 team (Pooks) hv handed over their ass to NZ C (0-3) in style.  Looking at all this, I hv a free advice to PCB.   Before boarding the return flight to home , PCB should try to arrange a 5 match ODI series with NZ Women team.  I think your team can achieve atleast 1 Win.  Coz so far the Lunns hv accumulated way too much 

NZ Women team will crush their jokers.

 

Maybe a cricket game with Tuvalu or Marshall Islands cricket team might help.

[Ultimate_Game]

NZ ne bahut bura kiya Pak ke saath 

[Number]

Visionary thread

[Ultimate_Game]

20 hours ago, Frustrated said:

@Sharjah-Harjah@badmash@pak4life @Lala_is_back After having surrendered 1-4 to NZ C side in T20s, the Lumber1 team (Pooks) hv handed over their ass to NZ C (0-3) in style.  Looking at all this, I hv a free advice to PCB.   Before boarding the return flight to home , PCB should try to arrange a 5 match ODI series with NZ Women team.  I think your team can achieve atleast 1 Win.  Coz so far the Lunns hv accumulated way too much 

 

Have to give you kudos for seeing Pak's future in 2022 

[Norman]

Just 18 months ago on this forum, Pakistan were favoured to overtake India in white ball cricket and become a top 3 side that can potentially win multiple ICC titles with their core group of Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Naseem, Shaheen, Shadab , Rauf etc etc. Likes of @the don were flying high , after seeking all the validation from paranoid Indian posters here. 

 

Well well well...fast forward now and Pakistan have arguably been the worst top 10 side since then and have gone from bad to worse in all formats. 

 

I was pretty much the only one here who saw through all the overhyping of this mediocre team and kept telling everyone that they're nowhere near as good as they're touted to be..

 

 

[AuxiliA]

11 hours ago, Norman said:

Just 18 months ago on this forum, Pakistan were favoured to overtake India in white ball cricket and become a top 3 side that can potentially win multiple ICC titles with their core group of Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Naseem, Shaheen, Shadab , Rauf etc etc. Likes of @the don were flying high , after seeking all the validation from paranoid Indian posters here. 

 

Well well well...fast forward now and Pakistan have arguably been the worst top 10 side since then and have gone from bad to worse in all formats. 

 

I was pretty much the only one here who saw through all the overhyping of this mediocre team and kept telling everyone that they're nowhere near as good as they're touted to be..

 

 

 

 

 

They have never been the same since that 228 runs loss to us at 2023 Asia Cup. Can't even compete with their once punching bag NZ now. 

 

I remember just before that match they were being touted as the best white ball Pace attack in the World, even by many Indians and ICFers. Must admit even I was taken in by their hype.   

 

[Tillu]

Their country has gone to the dogs seeking parity with India on every front.

 

India is a much bigger country with a lot more manpower and resources. So this attempt to seek parity with India will always be a futile exercise.

 

Unfortunately this disease has caught up with Bangladesh as well.

[Zero_Unit]

VS AFG more. Not for cricket though, which they will most likely loose ... players vs crowd / crowd vs crowd is where its at

Edited April 7, 2025 by Zero_Unit

[bsriharsha]

Pakistani talunt at full show.

[nevada]

On 4/7/2025 at 1:21 AM, Norman said:

Just 18 months ago on this forum, Pakistan were favoured to overtake India in white ball cricket and become a top 3 side that can potentially win multiple ICC titles with their core group of Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Naseem, Shaheen, Shadab , Rauf etc etc. Likes of @the don were flying high , after seeking all the validation from paranoid Indian posters here. 

 

Well well well...fast forward now and Pakistan have arguably been the worst top 10 side since then and have gone from bad to worse in all formats. 

 

I was pretty much the only one here who saw through all the overhyping of this mediocre team and kept telling everyone that they're nowhere near as good as they're touted to be..

 

 

Remember the hype about Rizwan coming out of the ICU to play a match winning knock? Now, under his fattu captaincy, their team itself is in ICU with back to back listless performances!

[NameGoesHere]

From what I can recall I don’t think I was taken in by Pakistan is a top team hype these last three or four years.

 

I feel they are a team in terminal decline, with occasional standout performances just to keep interest going.  
 

Also- we never ever let them near IPL.  Ever.  That should be the fixed policy of any GOI, regardless of party lines.

Edited April 15, 2025 by NameGoesHere

[tapandrun]

On 4/6/2025 at 3:51 PM, Norman said:

Just 18 months ago on this forum, Pakistan were favoured to overtake India in white ball cricket and become a top 3 side that can potentially win multiple ICC titles with their core group of Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Naseem, Shaheen, Shadab , Rauf etc etc. Likes of @the don were flying high , after seeking all the validation from paranoid Indian posters here. 

 

Well well well...fast forward now and Pakistan have arguably been the worst top 10 side since then and have gone from bad to worse in all formats. 

 

I was pretty much the only one here who saw through all the overhyping of this mediocre team and kept telling everyone that they're nowhere near as good as they're touted to be..

 

 

Bowling was doing the heavy lifting for pak team  when they were up, now that the bowling is not able to so the cracks are showing up.

 

Bowling cannot defend sub-par scores and when batting the batters are underpressure to out bat the opposition which batters can not do because they are not that good.

Babar and rizwan can  only bat in certain way where they score at their own pace, and then leave some hitting to others. and with bowling not able to restrict or bowl-out opposition batter are finding it hard to set-up good totals or chase target down.

 

Eventhough pak team chased ~350 target the approach is to wait and hope fakhar bats and gets quick runs, the approach followed is flawed 2 batters plays at their pace and rest have to slog to get to respectable totals, this has made rest of the batter incapable of knowing how to build and construct an innings  

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2025 by tapandrun

[Vk1]

20 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Bowling was doing the heavy lifting for pak team  when they were up, now that the bowling is not able to so the cracks are showing up.

 

Bowling cannot defend sub-par scores and when batting the batters are underpressure to out bat the opposition which batters can not do because they are not that good.

Babar and rizwan can not  only bat in certain way where they score at their own pace, and then leave some hitting to others. and with bowling not able to restrict or bowl-out opposition batter are finding it hard to set-up good totals or chase target down.

 

Eventhough pak team chased ~350 target the approach is to wait and hope fakhar bats and gets quick runs, the approach followed is flawed 2 batters plays at their pace and rest have to slog to get to respectable totals, this has made rest of the batter incapable of knowing how to build and construct an innings  

 

 

 

Not playing cricket on home turf for a decade(?) also played a role.. they missed out on young 10-12 year olds ( legal n not official ) who get inspired n take up serious cricket

[tapandrun]

30 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

Not playing cricket on home turf for a decade(?) also played a role.. they missed out on young 10-12 year olds ( legal n not official ) who get inspired n take up serious cricket

This is a false argument, ppl get inspired by celbs. sports stars seeing them on tv/comp., seeing the love and respect and money these ppl are getting.

Hardly any1 goes and watches when their local/domestic team practices at their home grounds.

 

And even-though pak was not playing their intnl cricket at home, all the domestic was happening in pak.

 

Its the set-up which is leading tho this, they put all the eggs in T20is, they have not been good in Odis for a long time.

When putting all the eggs in t20is they should have got v.good t20 player but their best batters are babar and rizwan scoring at sub 125 sr that too playing against mostly b/c/d teams. The bowling had to take the work-load of winning it for  the team day-in day-out, which causes mental and physical fatigue.

Now that the bowling has worn-off these batters can not win it on their own.

 

If all the hopes are kept to t20s pak should have got batter like wi or aus who are big-hitters. In last t20i wc shadab was the only batter who hat sr over 135 (think).

They overhyped babar when it was clear he was scoring runs against depleted or weaker oppositions. And now when he is playing against top side with 85% + strength 

he is getting exposed , yes he is out of form and some suggested something is wrong with his technique, where its the same thing which happens to every young talented batter from sub-continent, they have talent and some good game sense and when debut against some weak opposition they score runs looks good but their test comes when they play against topsides after 2-3 series against equal level teams. And then their flaws shows up and then they go back and work on it.

What happened to babar is he kept playing against sub-powered teams for so many years and now he is in his 30s and does not know what to do when it comes to playing against top sides, sometimes it looks like he does not know what his limitations are and things he needs to avoid while batting.  

 

Its like saying Sunil Chhetri was in same league as other top football player. yes he is top ind player and should be celebrated but no 1 compared him to other top football players because of the opposition he is playing with.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2025 by tapandrun

[Vk1]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

This is a false argument, ppl get inspired by celbs. sports stars seeing them on tv/comp., seeing the love and respect and money these ppl are getting.

Hardly any1 goes and watches when their local/domestic team practices at their home grounds.

 

And even-though pak was not playing their intnl cricket at home, all the domestic was happening in pak.

 

Its the set-up which is leading tho this, they put all the eggs in T20is, they have not been good in Odis for a long time.

When putting all the eggs in t20is they should have got v.good t20 player but their best batters are babar and rizwan scoring at sub 125 sr that too playing against mostly b/c/d teams. The bowling had to take the work-load of winning it for  the team day-in day-out, which causes mental and physical fatigue.

Now that the bowling has worn-off these batters can not win it on their own.

 

If all the hopes are kept to t20s pak should have got batter like wi or aus who are big-hitters. In last t20i wc shadab was the only batter who hat sr over 135 (think).

They overhyped babar when it was clear he was scoring runs against depleted or weaker oppositions. And now when he is playing against top side with 85% + strength 

he is getting exposed , yes he is out of form and some suggested something is wrong with his technique, where its the same thing which happens to every young talented batter from sub-continent, they have talent and some good game sense and when debut against some weak opposition they score runs looks good but their test comes when they play against topsides after 2-3 series against equal level teams. And then their flaws shows up and then they go back and work on it.

What happened to babar is he kept playing against sub-powered teams for so many years and now he is in his 30s and does not know what to do when it comes to playing against top sides, sometimes it looks like he does not know what his limitations are and things he needs to avoid while batting.  

 

Its like saying Sunil Chhetri was in same league as other top football player. yes he is top ind player and should be celebrated but no 1 compared him to other top football players because of the opposition he is playing with.

 

 

I remember some players ( suresh raina recently ) saying this - taking the seriously after watching a player/game in the stadium amidst the euphoria.. it does play a role

[tapandrun]

8 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

I remember some players ( suresh raina recently ) saying this - taking the seriously after watching a player/game in the stadium amidst the euphoria.. it does play a role

yes watching your heros live can be inspirational but ppl take thing seriously or as professional by looking at success, love respect, mny  these ppl get.

 

In Ind many schls/colgs these days have different sports in curriculum but hardly any1 takes  vollyball, basketball,swiming as career because they are not on tv in Ind.

PPl get inspired to take acting bcoz of success,mny, lov these actors get. Hardy any one would have ever get to meet these stars in person but its tv/computer.

 

Many ppl coming fr places where there are no real cricket stadiums or may have nt seen any match till they themselves taken the sports seriously and joined some club/academy because of the fame they saw on some screen

[Zero_Unit]

On 9/11/2022 at 2:10 PM, Frustrated said:

Maybe if they regularly play HK, Namibia, Netherland and Kenya etc, they will start winning a few Asia Cup titles.   Currently they hv the lowest number of Asia Cup titles.    Much lower than India and SL.  Forget WC, that is not something they can even remotely think of right now being minnows.  But atleast could win a few Asia Cups?   Let's discuss.   @badmash

Why just single out Pakistan. Bangladesh should play as well.

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said:

Why just single out Pakistan. Bangladesh should play as well.

Bd should concentrate on 1 format or may 2 not all 3, they should pick a format and work around to build a team for that format.

As happens in sub continent that super-stars overstays their welcome bd 1st gen. super-stars did the same and not giving opportunity to next gen player.

 

bd is getting good fast bowlers iike rana, ebadot, Tanzim etc. and they always have some spinner who can bat too.rather than dividing the resources in 3 formats concentrate on 1, afgn has been successful because they donot need to divide the resources in 3 formats.

 

They picked t20s as the format build a team around it and then started getting better in odis too.

And atleast for white-ball bd needs to build good wkts, they prepare sluggish wkts that supports spin and then they win series there defeating good team too like Ind and Aus.

But this does not help when bd plays in icc events as the pitches are not sluggish and these days teams are prepared to lose in bilateral series just to gain some exp. and see if some of their players can cope-up with such condition and use this exp. in test or may be one off game here and there.

 

Ind has not won an odi series in bd for a long time now. they seems to have progressed but then again they go back to sq.1 everytime