Pakistan and Srilanka LOI bowling is more exciting than India’s: prove me wrong.

[raki05]

Yes they are really exciting. As they choose exciting one at the first place. Even if you see our only 2007 wc victory it was RP who was swinging at high pace has set the crucial matches for us whether ko game against sa, sf against aus where him and sreeshanth took wkts at crucial timr even third fast bowler agarkar was slingy and bowling at 140. We had only one variation bowler Irfan but he was good in fielding and could slog sixes. That's the template to win tournaments RP,Agarkar and sreesanth all had ability to bowl above 140 swinging delivery which they did. Choosing experience economical trundlers can never win you crucial matches and your batsmen will always under the pressure of scoring above par score. With current bowling lineup you couldn't even imagine to win low scoring 2 encounter we had against pak including final, crucial ko game against sa . On all those 3 situation our score was around 140-153. All those matches were setup by initial burst of our fast bowlers be it RP or Sree. Had it been this trundling one dimensional attack we would have knocked out in first round itself by loosing against pak and Ireland. One thing i realised is jholadhari has controlled their emotions after Asia Cup thrashing in praising all phase trundler Bhuvi chacha and completely discarded middle order enforcer and hit the deck Avesh Kumar 

[BacktoCricaddict]

4 hours ago, maniac said:

Such a disgraceful trundler line up for the Aus WT20

 

A bowling unit  where Hardik Pandya is your fastest in terms of pace doesn’t deserve hype.

 

yes Bumrah will be back but just like it has been happening since ages, they will play out his 4 overs and smack the rest.

 

Pace is pace and let’s not underestimate Srilanka either. They have 2 -145+ bowlers who were not playing due to injury and they have 2 more youngsters hitting 140+ in their ranks. Not to forget their spinners.

 

Pak team and squad will probably have 4-5 bowlers hitting 145+.

 

 

 

 

Non-falsifiable hypothesis. 

[The Realist]

Not only are they Trundlers and bleed runs but they also create the world's longest tail and can't score a run. 

 

Henceforth will now be known as the Trundler Tail.

[Vilander]

Tyagi Prasidh Sen Umran Moshin Mavi Nagar - invest in them develop them. Play Bumrah and Siraj, Everything will be cool. 

[vvvslaxman]

Hangrekar couldn't even find a place in CSK XI lol

 

[Adamant]

Yes, we are a talent bankrupted  nation as far as  pace bowling is concerned. 

 

Shami, Bumrah and Ishant were our 3 best pacers and they were in full glory under the reign of GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN Kohli. 

 

Let's consider the alternatives here to remove any doubt - 

 

1. Prasidh - was getting smacked against minnows, t20 is his least favourable format. 

2. Umran - not ready for international stuff as seens vs Ireland, also bowled at 145 instead of 150 in international

cricket. 

3. Shami - trash in t20is

4. Khaleel - trundler who gets hit for runs all around the park

 

Siraj is the only one who I think should have been selected but even he has not uprooted any trees in t20s. 

What do we have, lol. 

Zilch, nada, zero.

 

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Siraj

Pandya

 

This should have been our t20 pace bowling attack

[nitinbwj]

Pak and SL lower order and tailender batting is also more exciting than us. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by nitinbwj

[TheWall]

Throw Bhuvi out.

Bowling dept will improve 

[raki05]

56 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Yes, we are a talent bankrupted  nation as far as  pace bowling is concerned. 

 

Shami, Bumrah and Ishant were our 3 best pacers and they were in full glory under the reign of GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN Kohli. 

 

Let's consider the alternatives here to remove any doubt - 

 

1. Prasidh - was getting smacked against minnows, t20 is his least favourable format. 

2. Umran - not ready for international stuff as seens vs Ireland, also bowled at 145 instead of 150 in international

cricket. 

3. Shami - trash in t20is

4. Khaleel - trundler who gets hit for runs all around the park

 

Siraj is the only one who I think should have been selected but even he has not uprooted any trees in t20s. 

What do we have, lol. 

Zilch, nada, zero.

 

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Siraj

Pandya

 

This should have been our t20 pace bowling attack

I thought Bhuvi ka bukhar Asia Cup ke baad utar gaya hoga. Where a young 23 year old outbowled him in death over. BTW just one match were good enough to discard Umran where you give endless chance to trundler Avesh who is worst to debut in past 5-7 years and played so many matches. All young bowler should get same backing like Arshdeep and Avesh.

[express bowling]

Great thread @maniac bhai

[express bowling]

Both Kartik Tyagi and Kuldeep Sen have a lot of potential as white ball bowlers.

 

Both can swing the ball at 145 k+ ... are 6'2" and have high release points and natural bounce .. have good yorkers .. have good bouncers .. Tyagi is a good death bowler too and has great temperament..

 

Mohsin Khan is there too .. can swing the ball at 140 k+ .. is 6'4" with a very high release point and steep bounce .. has a good slower ball .. is an all phase bowler .. plus a left hander

 

India should invest in these 3 pacers and develop them as white ball bowlers for 2023

Edited September 13, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

I thought Bhuvi ka bukhar Asia Cup ke baad utar gaya hoga. 

 

We could not even reach the Final of the Asia Cup which had only 1 other decent T20 team and no really good opponent.

 

And yet people talk about effectiveness of these trundlers. 

 

Stats padding in low profile matches is what is keeping these trundlers afloat.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Exciting ? From a visual perspective, Pakistani bowling is the most exciting. They have a plethora of genuine quicks that even Saffers or Aussies cannot match currently . 

 

For all the hype about Chameera and Kumara's pace, the former is often injured and anyway only became a decent bowler after he cut down his pace a little and focused on accuracy whereas Kumara continues to spray. 

 

SL at the Asia Cup showed a clarity of bowling plans rather than focus on raw speed. 

 

After the last Super 4 game, Shanaka said that he wanted the seamers to tighten their lines upfront and they had dropped the quicker Asitha for Madushan. 

 

What India needs is better bowlers than Avesh and Arshdeep upfront . And better bowling/fielding plans . Extra speed is a bonus of course but as SL showed, you can easily beat hyped up 150 kph fast bowling teams with meticulously laid plans and by nailing your match ups.

 

[AuxiliA]

Forget bowling. All Indian bowlers need to learn how to bat a bit. No one is asking them to be ARs but atleast they shouldn't be such a spud with the bat. Having batting depth does wonders and will win you tournaments. 

 

BCCI needs to say it out loud that every domestic bowler needs to learn a bit of batting too in order to get selected. Also every player needs to be a decent fielder at the very least. 

[AuxiliA]

The most heartbreaking thing for me this Asia cup was to see Kohli having to farm strike when we were just 5 down! 

[Jay]

7 hours ago, Adamant said:

Yes, we are a talent bankrupted  nation as far as  pace bowling is concerned. 

 

Shami, Bumrah and Ishant were our 3 best pacers and they were in full glory under the reign of GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN Kohli. 

 

Let's consider the alternatives here to remove any doubt - 

 

1. Prasidh - was getting smacked against minnows, t20 is his least favourable format. 

2. Umran - not ready for international stuff as seens vs Ireland, also bowled at 145 instead of 150 in international

cricket. 

3. Shami - trash in t20is

4. Khaleel - trundler who gets hit for runs all around the park

 

Siraj is the only one who I think should have been selected but even he has not uprooted any trees in t20s. 

What do we have, lol. 

Zilch, nada, zero.

 

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Siraj

Pandya

 

This should have been our t20 pace bowling attack

We have more talent than Pakistan can dream of in fast bowling. Difference is we have seniority quota and other internal politics that affects selection process for fast bowlers. 

 

 

There is too many good talents in India. Just cause we don't give them opportunities does not mean we lack tailunt. Tailunt that parkies can only dream of. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

India's most accurate pacer is bhuvi and we all saw how he went, though his stats remain immaculate.  I Ihink this is the template India will follow

 

He caught cold feet in death overs. Kept bowling wide seeing batsman's movement instead of stumps.

[raki05]

6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Exciting ? From a visual perspective, Pakistani bowling is the most exciting. They have a plethora of genuine quicks that even Saffers or Aussies cannot match currently . 

 

For all the hype about Chameera and Kumara's pace, the former is often injured and anyway only became a decent bowler after he cut down his pace a little and focused on accuracy whereas Kumara continues to spray. 

 

SL at the Asia Cup showed a clarity of bowling plans rather than focus on raw speed. 

 

After the last Super 4 game, Shanaka said that he wanted the seamers to tighten their lines upfront and they had dropped the quicker Asitha for Madushan. 

 

What India needs is better bowlers than Avesh and Arshdeep upfront . And better bowling/fielding plans . Extra speed is a bonus of course but as SL showed, you can easily beat hyped up 150 kph fast bowling teams with meticulously laid plans and by nailing your match ups.

 

Your are slightly incorrect they were not dropped they themselves kept out due to injury. SL dint beat pak  because of the trundlers which they played .If you see slakan trundler most wkts were lucky it's no match for how pak fast bowlers took wkts in initial overs. If you are taking match result to showcase slankan fast bowler were better than Pakistani than I am sorry it's same stats centric mindset our selectors are infected with. Slankan as an overall unit were better,whether it's batting, fielding or spin department, that is the reason they came out of disappointing position many a time. Their fast bowling unit were young,only madushanka being a left hander and above 142 has potential, that madhusudan guy would be useless all his wkts were lucky wkts. I would again reiterate pak fast bowlers were better unit on pace and overall fast bowling, they have their limitations in death overs but overall there were no match of pak fast bowling unit and other team's trundlers.

Edited September 13, 2022 by raki05

[raki05]

6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

What India needs is better bowlers than Avesh and Arshdeep upfront .

What about trundler Bhuvi who is worst is death over and Arshdeep exposed this hyped up experienced trundler in all matches by bowling last over accurately. Bhuvi is not jus bad bowler a ghatiya fielder and even ghatiya batter.

[rkt.india]

22 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

n again tell me a youngster like him 

For a start the guy who defended 4 in the 20th over.