Pakistan and Srilanka LOI bowling is more exciting than India’s: prove me wrong.

[Vilander]

On 9/12/2022 at 10:36 PM, Adamant said:

Yes, we are a talent bankrupted  nation as far as  pace bowling is concerned. 

 

Shami, Bumrah and Ishant were our 3 best pacers and they were in full glory under the reign of GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN Kohli. 

 

Let's consider the alternatives here to remove any doubt - 

 

1. Prasidh - was getting smacked against minnows, t20 is his least favourable format. 

2. Umran - not ready for international stuff as seens vs Ireland, also bowled at 145 instead of 150 in international

cricket. 

3. Shami - trash in t20is

4. Khaleel - trundler who gets hit for runs all around the park

 

Siraj is the only one who I think should have been selected but even he has not uprooted any trees in t20s. 

What do we have, lol. 

Zilch, nada, zero.

 

Bumrah

Bhuvi

Siraj

Pandya

 

This should have been our t20 pace bowling attack

 

 

Your lack of awareness does not mean there is lack of talent in India. 

[Adamant]

Sreesanth averages 33 at 6. 1 eco with the ball and was known for getting hit all around the park. 

 

As for t20s he avgs 42 at 8.6 eco. 

 

Just see those numbers and then see the praises he is getting here. Lol

 

Only in India will a player like him be hailed as a good fast bowler, that guy was mediocre (good on his day). 

 

Do these guys even understand cricket? 

 

Imagine the hype Naseem and Rauf would get here when chomus like Sreesanth are getting hype. 

 

Shows the aukaad of our fast bowling legacy. 

 

These guys will even replace Kapil Dev with Sreesanth bcoz he was faster. 

 

Dumber than a doorknob. 

[Adamant]

14 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

 

Your lack of awareness does not mean there is lack of talent in India. 

There is some talent but even they are not ready. 

 

I have made a thread about all these IPL sooperstar bowlers who will get exposed at International level and it's bound to happen. 

 

Only a small portion of Indian fans can recognize a true fast bowling talent, sadly you are not one of them. 

 

Guys like expressPacer, suhaan etc were hyping Avesh, do series mai Aukaat dikh gayi, both of them don't understand how to spot a genuine pacer, same gows with you. 

 

They were also hyping up Khaleel, he never was and never will be a successful bowler in international cricket. 

 

OTOH I say what I feel, there are only three young fast bowling talents in India apart from Bumrah, Siraj and they are :

 

Top level (according to Indian aukaad) 

1. KARTHIK TYAGI

 

Mid level

2. Umran

3. Prasidh

Edited September 15, 2022 by Adamant

[Adamant]

I asked @express bowlingabout pacers who can move the white ball consistently at 140-150kph, the answer he gave me consisted   Ashish Nehra as an example.

 

 

I mean that's the level of Indian fasy bowling legacy, you get Ashish Nehra as  an example of a good pacer. Seriously..... 

 

Also Sreesanth was there.. 

 

Mohd Shami was there too, he obtains minimal movement with the white ball

[maniac]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

I asked @express bowlingabout pacers who can move the white ball consistently at 140-150kph, the answer he gave me consisted   Ashish Nehra as an example.

 

 

I mean that's the level of Indian fasy bowling legacy, you get Ashish Nehra as  an example of a good pacer. Seriously..... 

 

Also Sreesanth was there.. 

 

Mohd Shami was there too, he obtains minimal movement with the white ball

research project of the day

 

Sreeshanth won 2 tests against SA in SA

 

Md Shami was part of the squad that won 2 test series in Australia.

 

trivia of the day provided by adamant: other sc pacers with similar legacy

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

There is some talent but even they are not ready. 

 

I have made a thread about all these IPL sooperstar bowlers who will get exposed at International level and it's bound to happen. 

 

Only a small portion of Indian fans can recognize a true fast bowling talent, sadly you are not one of them. 

 

Guys like expressPacer, suhaan etc were hyping Avesh, do series mai Aukaat dikh gayi, both of them don't understand how to spot a genuine pacer, same gows with you. 

 

They were also hyping up Khaleel, he never was and never will be a successful bowler in international cricket. 

 

OTOH I say what I feel, there are only three young fast bowling talents in India apart from Bumrah, Siraj and they are :

 

Top level (according to Indian aukaad) 

1. KARTHIK TYAGI

 

Mid level

2. Umran

3. Prasidh

 

 

Hard to predict who would take their game to next level. Unadkat was clocking 139 kph in the under-19.  Using rkt formula he was supposed to hit 140 kph easily as he got older. He was also bowling good channel deliveries. Alas he turned into a 125 kph trundler. Then we had this box office bowling pair in 2020 in the form of Mavi/Nagarkoti same batch as Shaheen Shah Afridi. Through series of injuries and other things they became non-starters. Mavi had an okay VH season though. Next is Kartik Tyagi who has all the ingredients to be a great fast bowler. Height, run up, energy.  Bangladesh fast bowler from the same batch helped BD win their first ever test win in NZ.

 

 Development of fast bowlers is entirely in their own hands. You can't entirely blame them for not making a name for themselves. When you don't have many choices you are forced to play them like Pakistan does. With Amir playing on and off they had to bring in fresh blood. Where as guys like Tyagi are in a position where they have to leapfrog ahead of existing set of bowlers like Bumrah/Shami.  Siraj finally replaced Ishant for good. Now Siraj himself is in a spot of bother with Prasidh breathing down his neck.  And also Thakur despite looking fairly innocuous is still taking wickets everywhere. So in order to do that you have to deliver at the first opportunity you get. Even then displacing seniors is not that easy like Bishoni is finding now. He didn't do anything wrong to be kept in the reserve.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

I mean that's the level of Indian fasy bowling legacy, you get Ashish Nehra as  an example of a good pacer. Seriously..... 

 

You are confusing things. You did not ask about an example of a good pacer.but about Indian pacers who could move the white ball at pace. 

 

I said that in 2003 and 2004, Nehra did that. ( as one of the many examples )

 

And it's a fact that he did so. 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Also Sreesanth was there.. 

 

 

So you think that Sreesanth could not move the ball at pace in 2007 and 2008  ????

 

How good a bowler he was, was not something you asked. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

Mohd Shami was there too, he obtains minimal movement with the white ball

 

 

Huge movement is not needed.

 

Shami gets more consistent seam movement on any types of surfaces than most other international pacers. ( due to his awesome seam position )

 

If you wanted a list of really good quality Indian pacers who could move the ball at pace then you should have asked that question. (  It's like you ask me my name and then laugh at me because I did not tell you my name and address  )

Edited September 15, 2022 by express bowling

[maniac]

In Pakistan we hear stories like Wasim was brought in after someone saw him bowl a couple of balls in nets, Inzamam was playing tape ball or Imran Khan watched Waqar on TV and got him into the team.

 

Indian cricket is professionally run like a corporation and the much maligned word “process”.

 

If you just want to get anyone who bowls 150 in the team it doesn’t work that way in Indian cricket for the good or bad.

 

Same with Srilanka who have a small pool and pick the resources from school and club cricket. Their choices when it comes to picking talent  are pretty straight forward. 
 

only time the process was challenged was with Greg Chappell who brought mercurial players who usually would be ignored. Obviously he is considered a villain by the masses but after him it was back to “process”

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

You are confusing things. You did not ask about an example of a good pacer.but about Indian pacers who could move the white ball at pace. 

 

I said that in 2003 and 2004, Nehra did that. ( as one of the many examples )

 

And it's a fact that he did so. 

 

 

 

So you think that Sreesanth could not move the ball at pace in 2007 and 2008  ????

 

How good a bowler he was, was not something you adked. 

 

 

 

 

Huge movement is not needed.

 

Shami gets more consistent seam movement on any types of surfaces than most other international pacers. ( due to his awesome seam position )

 

If we wanted a list of really good quality Indian pacers who could move the ball at pace then you should have asked that question. (  It's like you ask me my name and then laugh at me because I did not tell you my name and address  )

Packy does not deserve response from you ,his aukaat doesn't make him fit to seek answers from you

[express bowling]

17 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

 

Guys like expressPacer, suhaan etc were hyping Avesh, do series mai Aukaat dikh gayi, both of them don't understand how to spot a genuine pacer, same gows with you. 

 

 

Actually it's the other way round.

 

Most regular posters on the S&P thread, including Suhaan and myself, have been saying for a long time that Avesh has major fitness issues nowadays and till the time he sorts this aspect out, he will find it difficult to pertorm regularly.

 

What many of us had said is that ... Avesh tries to hit the deck very hard and used to bowl a heavy ball. But that heaviness of his deliveries is reducing every year due to his fitness.

 

 

17 hours ago, Adamant said:

They were also hyping up Khaleel, he never was and never will be a successful bowler in international cricket. 

 

 

Khaleel has a lot going for him in white ball cricket. Sharp pace, natural steep bounce and height, swing with the new white ball, good slower ball and wicket taking ability.

 

His only issue is that he seems to lose steam from time to time and starts bowling within himself. This is the aspect that can stop his progress and if he overcomes it, he should be successful in white ball cricket. (  not red ball cricket where he has failed so far )

 

Everything is not really a black or a white.

Edited September 16, 2022 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

56 minutes ago, maniac said:

research project of the day

 

Sreeshanth won 2 tests against SA in SA

 

Md Shami was part of the squad that won 2 test series in Australia.

 

trivia of the day provided by adamant: other sc pacers with similar legacy

Troll bot or biggest padosi sympathizer that automatically makes him a troll, mods must look into this

[maniac]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Troll bot or biggest padosi sympathizer that automatically makes him a troll, mods must look into this

He is not a bot or a padosi (if he is than he got me). I think he does post rationally when needed. He is just trying to find a voice/ identity on the forum I feel.

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Packy does not deserve response from you ,his aukaat doesn't make him fit to seek answers from you

 

Bro, I think we have to point it out when someone uses what we said, out of context, and changes the meaning. 

[raki05]

Gyani @Adamant

 

As per stats Bhuvi was the best bowler of this Asia Cup.  Answer- yes/no. That will be answer to your nonsense stats based hyping. Bhuvi is the most useless white ball bowler india has ever played for such a long time who doesn't have anything to showcase. Prove it otherwise.

[Adamant]

37 minutes ago, maniac said:

He is just trying to find a voice/ identity on the forum I feel.

I already have one. 

 

Just bcoz I know that India has one of the worst fast bowling legacy and I say it out loud does not make me a padosi or Bot. 

 

If you go and visit other forums (not talking about pp) you will find the same opinion, you've got to call out what's wrong. 

 

Who are the top 3 Indian pacers ever :

 

Bumrah

Kapil Dev

Who? Shami maybe

 

Now compare this with top fast bowlers of other nations, if you are unbiased you will find that what I say is the absolutel truth. 

[MultiB48]

We are getting quicker pacers unlike in the past ,but their quality isn't improving.There some technical as well as fitness and mental issue which needs to be sorted out, otherwise they wont be of international standards.Also their fielding, catching and batting has to improve.I would also like to see pacers captaining domestic teams.

[vvvslaxman]

44 minutes ago, maniac said:

In Pakistan we hear stories like Wasim was brought in after someone saw him bowl a couple of balls in nets, Inzamam was playing tape ball or Imran Khan watched Waqar on TV and got him into the team.

 

Indian cricket is professionally run like a corporation and the much maligned word “process”.

 

If you just want to get anyone who bowls 150 in the team it doesn’t work that way in Indian cricket for the good or bad.

 

Same with Srilanka who have a small pool and pick the resources from school and club cricket. Their choices when it comes to picking talent  are pretty straight forward. 
 

only time the process was challenged was with Greg Chappell who brought mercurial players who usually would be ignored. Obviously he is considered a villain by the masses but after him it was back to “process”

 

NKP salve challenger Trophy,  under-19 world cup were primarily used for selecting ODI squad. I still can't believe Pujara opened with Rohit for our under-19 world cup lol After IPL things have changed. Everything hinges on IPL. Even Test selection. Nobody would have picked Bumrah for tests but for IPL. Same with Ashwin another IPL product who hardly did anything in domestic first class at the time of selection. Jadeja the 'rockstar' later slid into test side from T20 side.  Most recently when we were hit by several injuries in Australia  we had to draft in 3 T20 players (Thakur, Natrajan , Sundar) to play Gabba test. This would have never happened in any era. Sundar had not played first class for 4 years when he made Test debut. Umran in one season became a crorepathi due to his clock speed.  IPL is your entry point. On a positive note you can pick players from the street to play IPL.  Bumrah is indeed a  result of talent search programme by JOhn Wright for MI. 

 

 

 

[MultiB48]

58 minutes ago, maniac said:

In Pakistan we hear stories like Wasim was brought in after someone saw him bowl a couple of balls in nets, Inzamam was playing tape ball or Imran Khan watched Waqar on TV and got him into the team.

 

Indian cricket is professionally run like a corporation and the much maligned word “process”.

 

If you just want to get anyone who bowls 150 in the team it doesn’t work that way in Indian cricket for the good or bad.

 

Same with Srilanka who have a small pool and pick the resources from school and club cricket. Their choices when it comes to picking talent  are pretty straight forward. 
 

only time the process was challenged was with Greg Chappell who brought mercurial players who usually would be ignored. Obviously he is considered a villain by the masses but after him it was back to “process”

Waqar was playing in their domestic and had lots of success before being picked,he wasn't totally picked out of nowhere.

[maniac]

3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Waqar was playing in their domestic and had lots of success before being picked,he wasn't totally picked out of nowhere.

that’s what I believe Imran Khan claims and most of his fans believe that.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

that’s what I believe Imran Khan claims and most of his fans believe that.

Wasim Akram was such a product so i heard.