Pakistan and Srilanka LOI bowling is more exciting than India’s: prove me wrong.

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Fast bowlers need to develop quickly ,if they take too long they might run out of steam,so need to be picked early and guided properly.

 

Avesh is not a good athlete so takes time to get into a spell,once in rhythm then he can bowl well but has his limitations.

Way back in 2017-18 he was bowling just as same as he does today, bit more  short  

 

But used to run out of steam ridiculously in space of 2-3 deliveries

Pace was like sinesuidal graph,from 148s to 132 in one over with similar effort put on

If you ask him to bowl that quick he can very well do it today,he still cranks 145+ out of nowhere but his limitations are still there

I find his length getting shorter and shorter with increasing pressure infact most newcomers do it only exception is Saini, he serves halfvollies without breaking sweat

[vvvslaxman]

Bowling at 145 to 150 clicks will take a lot out of any bowler. They will subconsciously reduce the speed.  Very few bowler had this innate urge to maintain speed. In the last 20  years  Brett Lee/Akhtar were the only two. Steyn was kind of a bowler who would bowl  fast only when he wants to not always. There was Tait.  But his career was not that long. Same with Bond. In a 4 over game it is not that hard to maintain high speed. 

[MultiB48]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Way back in 2017-18 he was bowling just as same as he does today, bit more  short  

 

But used to run out of steam ridiculously in space of 2-3 deliveries

Pace was like sinesuidal graph,from 148s to 132 in one over with similar effort put on

If you ask him to bowl that quick he can very well do it today,he still cranks 145+ out of nowhere but his limitations are still there

I find his length getting shorter and shorter with increasing pressure infact most newcomers do it only exception is Saini, he serves halfvollies without breaking sweat

Exactly, that's where they need to play the percentage.If you have a tendency to bowl short, you must have a good nip backer,if you tend to overpitch then need a good outswinger, it's not ideal but can save them some trouble.Saini doesn't have the outswinger and avesh doesn't have a sharp nipbacker that can cramp the batsman on his shorter balls.

[rollingstoned]

15 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Our coaches are even more dumber as they don't understand the nuances of fast bowling in t20s and share their inputs

What we say about batting is true for bowling too, we need a coach who has played and understands the format well even if he may not have excelled at it, but ideally someone like Steyn or Malinga who would be the equivalent of getting McCullum in as a coach who will bring fresh ideas. Arun was a great coach but it seems even he didn't know the optimal approach in white ball cricket nowadays, with the thinking reflecting more of the 90s-early 00s mindset when the game has changed. Part of Pakistan's bowling revival is down to some of the coaches who have consulted with them since the last t20 wc imo eg Philander, tait.

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

You sounded wrong and got thoroughly found and corrected by many seasoned posters. In my opinion that's how you create a pigeon hole.

No one found anything out. Lol

 

On the contrary, there's not even a single post here which addresses my points. 

 

We are talent bankrupted in fast bowling, it's simple as that. 

 

Seasoned posters who don't have an eye for real pace bowling talent. 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Adamant

[Jay]

46 minutes ago, Adamant said:

No one found anything out. Lol

 

On the contrary, there's not even a single post here which addresses my points. 

 

We are talent bankrupted in fast bowling, it's simple as that. 

 

Seasoned posters who don't have an eye for real pace bowling talent. 

 

We have more talent in fast bowling right now than anyone other team 

We literally have 7-9 bowlers on the roster waiting for call ups.

 

We CHOOSE TRUNDLERS. DOESNT MEAN WE DONT HAVE TALENTS. 

 

We have far better talents than parkies like you can ever dream of bitch. 

 

It's a sad state of affairs for parkies. 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, Adamant said:

No one found anything out. Lol

 

On the contrary, there's not even a single post here which addresses my points. 

 

We are talent bankrupted in fast bowling, it's simple as that. 

 

Seasoned posters who don't have an eye for real pace bowling talent. 

 

 

No, we have damn good talent when it comes to fast bowling. 

Its just that they arent developed enough when it comes to white ball cricket and a major reasons is lack of cricket most of em have played at top level . Gone are the days where having just tools was enough, in white ball cricket margin of error is so minimal now that execution becomes at most important

 

Their is no simple and short answer to it. 

[Jay]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bowling at 145 to 150 clicks will take a lot out of any bowler. They will subconsciously reduce the speed.  Very few bowler had this innate urge to maintain speed. In the last 20  years  Brett Lee/Akhtar were the only two. Steyn was kind of a bowler who would bowl  fast only when he wants to not always. There was Tait.  But his career was not that long. Same with Bond. In a 4 over game it is not that hard to maintain high speed. 

Where is this notion about steam being super fats coming from ?????

Seriously he only averaged 138 or so even in his peak. He is fast but yea only when he wants to ramp it up. Just like bumrah and Cummins.

[Jay]

People like Adamant should be made to toil hard in heavy Labour intensive work without adequate food for being such miserable pricks.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

Their is no simple and short answer to it. 

 

 

The short and simple answer is to make the quick bowlers play more and more white ball cricket.  

 

Create a pool of 10 quick pacers.

 

Play them in white ball cricket at every opportunity. (  IPL, Low profile bilatersls, A-Team ODIs, VHT, SMAT ) 

 

Maybe half of them will fail as they will lack white ball temperament ... like say a Saini.

 

The other half may become good white ball bowlers.

 

P.S ... Bowling basics are needed to become good white ball bowlers too. Which is is why all of them must play sufficient FC cricket. This is not happening. 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

 

We are talent bankrupted in fast bowling, it's simple as that. 

 

 

 

Indeed !

 

Which is why we have won 2 consecutive Away Test Series in Australia in the last 3.5 years while talented nation has lost to Australia even at home. !

 

And which is why we have drawn a test series in England recently !

 

We won all those tests by black magic !

Edited September 16, 2022 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

The simple snd short answer is the make the quick bowlers play more and more white ball cricket.  

 

Create a pool of 10 quick pacers.

 

Play them in white ball cricket at every opportunity. (  IPL, Low profile bilatersls, A-Team ODIs, VHT, SMAT ) 

 

Maybe half of them will fail as they will lack white ball temperament ... like say a Saini.

 

The other half may become good white ball bowlers.

 

P.S ... Bowling basics are needed to become good white ball bowlers too. Which is is why all of them must play sufficient FC cricket. This is not happening. 

 

 

thats not enough , time they start playing leagues abroad- naseem shah and rauf did that .....................BCCI shud allow them. Competition is so tough for even IPL sides and low profile bilateral that half will end up on bench even if they get selected . A team has to keep itself above player development so they can only give u very limited chances 

Saini came back from playing in english county.............he had a horrible time in white ball but wud have learned a lot 

 

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

thats not enough , time they start playing leagues abroad- naseem shah and rauf did that .....................BCCI shud allow them. Competition is so tough for even IPL sides and low profile bilateral that half will end up on bench even if they get selected . A team has to keep itself above player development so they can only give u very limited chances 

Saini came back from playing in english county.............he had a horrible time in white ball but wud have learned a lot 

 

 

Playing foreign leagues is not allowed. So, no point thinking about that.

 

And there is another flipside. Many players who play foreign T20 leagues lose focus or lose interest in international cricket, especially red ball cricket.

 

I think our quicker pacers can still be made to play more white ball cricket if there is better player management at pre-international level. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by express bowling

[MultiB48]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

No one found anything out. Lol

 

On the contrary, there's not even a single post here which addresses my points. 

 

We are talent bankrupted in fast bowling, it's simple as that. 

 

Seasoned posters who don't have an eye for real pace bowling talent. 

 

We have done better that most, which attack is head and shoulders better than ours.It's just that we aren't happy and want to get even better.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Where is this notion about steam being super fats coming from ?????

Seriously he only averaged 138 or so even in his peak. He is fast but yea only when he wants to ramp it up. Just like bumrah and Cummins.

 

Bottomline is we have to look for bowlers who can crank it up when needed rather than someone who clocks 150 clicks.  In current set up one guy who can't do to save his life is Bhuvi. Even harshal , Arshdeep has touched mid 140s when needed. When it comes to maintaining good speeds it is Shami for sure. He may not touch like 150 kph. But he sure can maintain 140 k for long periods even in Tests. Kudos to him. Sadly his stock deliveries in tests are buffet balls in T20. 

[maniac]

I have no idea why you guys are falling for purposeful inflammatory statements to get reactions out of you without any substance or thought behind them. 

[Jay]

Pakistan are the most talentless unathletic bunch of Incels I have ever come across. Maybe due to inbreeding? Ruined their genetics. They haven't even won a test match in Australia which is the toughest place to tour apart from India ofcourse. For Asian countries, Australia is the pinnacle. 

Thats what happens when you play a bunch of phasst trundlers. Such a joke. Headless chickens. These are what we call speed gun fodders. These parkies are genetically weak. Not once was any of their bowlers able to generate consistent bounce. 

 

Indian bowlers even with average height generated steep bounce. Such is the power disparity. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Jay

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, Jay said:

Pakistan are the most talentless unathletic bunch of Incels I have ever come across. Maybe due to inbreeding? Ruined their genetics. They haven't even won a test match in Australia which is the toughest place to tour apart from India ofcourse. For Asian countries, Australia is the pinnacle. 

Thats what happens when you play a bunch of phasst trundlers. Such a joke. Headless chickens. These are what we call speed gun fodders. These parkies are genetically weak. Not once was any of their bowlers able to generate consistent bounce. 

 

Indian bowlers even with average height generated steep bounce. Such is the power disparity. 

 

Pakistan bowlers were always known for bowling full length targeting stumps including Akram/Akhter rather than exploiting the bounce.  Even the current lot is full of skiddy customers may be with exception of Shaheen. In T20 it might work given that batsmen will take risk. But this type of bowling will not bother anybody in longer formats.

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Indeed !

 

Which is why we have won 2 consecutive Away Test Series in Australia in the last 3.5 years while talented nation has lost to Australia even at home. !

 

And which is why we have drawn a test series in England recently !

 

We won all those tests by black magic !

 

 

Hey express you don't know what you are talking about..

 

Bowling two 2 over spells is the real deal for phast bowling ... bowling 15 over spells across two innings is over rated... ok... 

 

Pak has junoon jazba misbah... ghosth in their biryani and atmi taakath in their back side to bowl phast 2 over spells.

 

 

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, maniac said:

I have no idea why you guys are falling for purposeful inflammatory statements to get reactions out of you without any substance or thought behind them. 

Just for laughs man.