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Pakistan or India?  

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  1. 1. Which home T20I Series Victory is more impressive - Pak beating England, or Ind beating Aus? And why?

    • Pakistan beating England at home
    • India beating Australia at home
    • Both are meaningless, these are just practice games ahead of the T20 WC


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13 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Players missing from Pak first 11 due to injuries are Shaheen, Shadab, Fakhar, and Naseem. 

At this point..I feel only Shadab is the main player which is missing..if you would have asked few months back I wudnt have thought so..but he has been very consistent for Pak..I like his attitude

There will be questions around Shaheen availability and form\full strength after injury

Naseem is good but still inconsistent for my liking..as seen in the 1st match

Fakhar is not in form

I feel Haris Rauf is very dependable for Pak at the moment..in terms of impact..then Shadab..Nawaz is slowly getting there...Babar\Rizzi are consistent but you know..its a different discussion..

13 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:


Aus missing their backbone for batting: Warner, Marsh, and Stoinis.

Bowling, missing Starc only. 

As far as Aus is concerned..Cam Green and Tim David has done a great job for them..nullyfying others absence..even bowled well in last match...

Marsh always seem to be injured so having him is not certainty too..

Atleast against India..Starc\Stoinis wud have gone for runs in my opinion..so I felt given the performance of the reservers..Aus was a complete side as compared to Ind\Pak\Eng

Overall Aus is a top side..but their bowling may still be taken for runs as India showed..

 

13 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Eng missing Butler, Liam and Stokes (Bairstow is injured not in WC).
Bowling, missing Wood. 

Brookes and Ducket seems to have done a good job for them..but Buttler is definitely a big miss..esp in 7 match series..

Stokes batting I am still not sold on in T20Is..but his bowling of short balls with pace may trouble anyone anyone..consistency will be a question but you cant ignore him..esp he is a Big allrounder..Wood pace is extremely impactful as seen in last match..

Chris Jordan they keep him as death specialist..and was bowling well in England recently..not sure how he wud do in Pak now...as got hit last time in pSL but was in better form recently and very confident..

Overall..I will still say this is England B team..

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8 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

At this point..I feel only Shadab is the main player which is missing..if you would have asked few months back I wudnt have thought so..but he has been very consistent for Pak..I like his attitude

There will be questions around Shaheen availability and form\full strength after injury

Naseem is good but still inconsistent for my liking..as seen in the 1st match

Fakhar is not in form

I feel Haris Rauf is very dependable for Pak at the moment..in terms of impact..then Shadab..Nawaz is slowly getting there...Babar\Rizzi are consistent but you know..its a different discussion..

As far as Aus is concerned..Cam Green and Tim David has done a great job for them..nullyfying others absence..even bowled well in last match...

Marsh always seem to be injured so having him is not certainty too..

Atleast against India..Starc\Stoinis wud have gone for runs in my opinion..so I felt given the performance of the reservers..Aus was a complete side as compared to Ind\Pak\Eng

Overall Aus is a top side..but their bowling may still be taken for runs as India showed..

 

Brookes and Ducket seems to have done a good job for them..but Buttler is definitely a big miss..esp in 7 match series..

Stokes batting I am still not sold on in T20Is..but his bowling of short balls with pace may trouble anyone anyone..consistency will be a question but you cant ignore him..esp he is a Big allrounder..Wood pace is extremely impactful as seen in last match..

Chris Jordan they keep him as death specialist..and was bowling well in England recently..not sure how he wud do in Pak now...as got hit last time in pSL but was in better form recently and very confident..

Overall..I will still say this is England B team..


good analysis.

I think it’s relative as all teams are missing some key players. Fully fit, Pak  attack in Aus would consist of Shaheen, Nawaz, Naseem, Rauf, Shadab, and Wasim Jr. 


Only Nawaz and Rauf are regularly playing vs Eng while Naseem/Wasim got 1 game each. 


on batting front, I don’t think Fakhar would have been dropped if he didn’t get injured as Pak doesn’t have the same batting depth as others. Fakhar does better on faster pitches in SENA. 
 

For Eng, you are saying Buttler and Wood the only 2 players Eng is truly missing (which I agree with) and then also calling Eng side B. Didn’t make sense. Eng side def rebuilding with promising newcomers. 

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3 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:


good analysis.

I think it’s relative as all teams are missing some key players. Fully fit, Pak  attack in Aus would consist of Shaheen, Nawaz, Naseem, Rauf, Shadab, and Wasim Jr. 


Only Nawaz and Rauf are regularly playing vs Eng while Naseem/Wasim got 1 game each. 


on batting front, I don’t think Fakhar would have been dropped if he didn’t get injured as Pak doesn’t have the same batting depth as others. Fakhar does better on faster pitches in SENA. 
 

For Eng, you are saying Buttler and Wood the only 2 players Eng is truly missing (which I agree with) and then also calling Eng side B. Didn’t make sense. Eng side def rebuilding with promising newcomers. 


Usually Buttler Wood Bairstow and Livingstone will be in my English side..but I feel due to good work done by Brooks and Duckett..they are truly missing Buttler and Wood..who could have a significant impact..lets add Ben Stokes as well..he gives extra effort and his short balls may give trouble too..can be impactful in batting too..their absence is making this a B side..

 

 

like on paper..without Rohit and Kohli.any.India side will be B side..esp when Rahul is struggling..you will feel a big hole in team India..

its a different discussion some good talent is there that can be groomed to replace them in future..

 

for Pak..your bowlers arevstill able to pick early wkts and Haris Rauf has taken responsibility so I dont think Shaheen is not so much missed as you are missing Shadab.

though Dahani went for runs in previous match..Pak cud hv groomed him more than Wasim Jr. in earlier matches...due to his high short pitch rising balls that will be good in Aus..to give a good variety in attack..


As a cricket fan..I will feel excited to see a fit attack comprising of Shaheen+Naseem+Haris Rauf+Dahani+Shadab+Nawaz

 

this gives you..mouth watering attack..balance of high pace,Left arm swing,swing at high pace,pace Variations,express pace,high Bounce..accurate left arm spin,good leg spin/googly..and some support to batting from Spin twins..

 

its an all base covered attack in my opinion..you just need someone to take responsibility at death bowling to partner with Rauf.

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2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

England's strongest XI should be 

 

Salt

Buttler

Bairstow

Stokes

Brook

Livingston

Ali bhai

Jordan

Wood

Toppley 

Adil bhai

 

The only question would be whether Woakes' new ball skill is worth selecting over Jordan. 

 

This is an extremely strong batting heavy side. 

 

 

anything is better than Jordan. Biggest fraud

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Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

If they prefer the pace of Wood and a high release left armer in Toppley upfront, Jordan might be a better option than Woakes at the death. 

 

Jordan loses it many times at death. You gotta be mentally strong and he isn't.

 

Woakes better with new ball and decent at death. Can use Wood in middle and death.

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9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

If they prefer the pace of Wood and a high release left armer in Toppley upfront, Jordan might be a better option than Woakes at the death. 

even ill go for jordon

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Jordan loses it many times at death. You gotta be mentally strong and he isn't.

 

coz death is the toughest , margin of error with yorkers are so minimal these day ..............slight bit of error and batsman will make it a slot ball 

 

9 hours ago, Lord said:

Woakes better with new ball and decent at death. Can use Wood in middle and death.

mark wood himself is not reliable at death 

woakes is terrible at death - 13.36 eco

Wood - 10.97 

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28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

even ill go for jordon

 

coz death is the toughest , margin of error with yorkers are so minimal these day ..............slight bit of error and batsman will make it a slot ball 

 

mark wood himself is not reliable at death 

woakes is terrible at death - 13.36 eco

Wood - 10.97 

if not Woakes, they can go for Curran who's also good at death. Topley himself is good.

 

Woakes though can bowl 3 upfront. Wood will be the enforcer alongwith Stokes

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9 hours ago, Lord said:

if not Woakes, they can go for Curran who's also good at death. Topley himself is good.

 

Woakes though can bowl 3 upfront. Wood will be the enforcer alongwith Stokes

stokes LOI bowling have always been underwhelming 

Im not sure if they ll take a punt on Sam curran as one of the main bowlers , most probably they ll go for david willey or jordon 

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I'm so NOT looking forward for the India Pakistan game.

 

At a team level, India doesn't have much to learn/gain from playing Pakistan. Its also a fledgling team and at the moment slightly better managed than ours.

 

Post game fall out, regardless of the outcome, exacerbates in civic strife in India. And on Indian SM.

 

What do we gain playing them?

 

That said, I hope we beat them in the WC.

:isalute:

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