Jos Buttler claims he would recall a batsman Mankaded even in a World Cup Final

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Buttler did this a lot in the 2018 ODI series against India, I think in 2nd ODI. I remember making a thread or long post about it back then, Kuldeep was visibly frustrated but didn't have the cojones to mankad him. Buttler is a repeat offender.

 

Also check out Peter Della's twitter timeline, exposes this whole backing thing which is Eng specific, almost like organized cheating and they have been allowed to get away with it for too long. Similar to Aussie sandpaper cheating.....they have been doing this even against Pak this series. OTOH Pak bowlers chucking away merrily, cheaters vs cheaters, match made in heaven. 

 

Yup. It is cultural thing. Violate the law and hide behind spirit of the game. BS.

[zen]

In 2012, Ashwin did that too SL too:

 

 

 

However, Ind withdraw the appeal! 

 

 

Ashwin almost inflicted a run-out against Sri Lankan batter Lahiru Thirimanne while he stood at the other end but the batter was saved via a withdrawal of appeal from India’s stand-in captain Virender Sehwag - Link

[IndianRenegade]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

 

 

That is a bookish take (including being naive enough to suggest that there should be a law on a bowler premediating  )when discussing practical applications including cheating by bending the law (and discussed by commentators)

 

 

 

Lol, that is MCC's take - the guys who are custodians of the law. Of course, all modes of dismissal that exists will be premeditated by the team that needs to take wickets, the law as stated by mcc explained explicitly asks the batter not to premeditate. As I said the commentators can go jump of a cliff, who the hell are they to adjudicate a law, under what capacity? 

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If bowlers stop (premeditating to get a batsman out "in a false manner"), many batsmen would get out in such a fashion. 

 

yes, if a bowler premeditates a bowled, lbw, catch a lot of batters will be out in such fashion, cry me a river.

Edited September 30, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

 

Lol, that is MCC's take - the guys who are custodians of the law. Of course, all modes of dismissal that exists will be premeditated by the team that needs to take wickets, the law as stated by mcc explained explicitly asks the batter not to premeditate. As I said the commentators can go jump of a cliff, who the hell are they to adjudicate a law, under what capacity? 

 

yes, if a bowler premeditates a bowled, lbw, catch a lot of batters will be out in such fashion, cry me a river.

 

Well put. There is no ambiguity here. Given that Butler is a serial offender Ashwin has definitely made a note of it and made sure this sucker doesn't get away stealing a few inches every ball. As the twitter thread says whenever the striker is a proper batsman Buttler doesn't venture outside. But whenever there is a lesser batsman he gets a head start. That is deceitful.  Kudos to Ashwin to put him in his place.  I am sure Sehwag would have a different take on it now.

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

It so happens lot of our cricketers don't know the law.  Most of these guys are ignorant buffoons. Look how Kohli mocked Ashwin in the IPL for this incident. What is his take now?  That is the problem. They merely follow what white men tell them to do. Ashwin on the other hand very savvy with these things. He doesn't blindly follow the arbitrary "spirit laws" imposed by English community. He just follows the books. Called out chuckers, called out these guys. Hope other cricketers try to think independently.

[coffee_rules]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Ashwin ... discussed by the tweet and commentators too 

 

PS watch again 

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

 

 

THALA school of Backing up lol

[zen]

26 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

 

Lol, that is MCC's take - the guys who are custodians of the law. Of course, all modes of dismissal that exists will be premeditated by the team that needs to take wickets, the law as stated by mcc explained explicitly asks the batter not to premeditate. As I said the commentators can go jump of a cliff, who the hell are they to adjudicate a law, under what capacity? 

 

yes, if a bowler premeditates a bowled, lbw, catch a lot of batters will be out in such fashion, cry me a river.

Again, discussion is about “bending” the laws where the bowler deliberately waited for the batsman to sneak out. 

The commentators, etc., they know the laws (the discussion is beyond that). 

 

Ashwin cheated (by bending the laws). 

 

[zen]

18 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

Good but many batsman have their own way. The point is on bowler cheating (delaying his delivery) to run the batsman out who would have been in the crease if the ball was delivered normally (and Buttler has been at non strikers end against all types of bowlers) 

[IndianRenegade]

17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

It so happens lot of our cricketers don't know the law.  Most of these guys are ignorant buffoons. Look how Kohli mocked Ashwin in the IPL for this incident. What is his take now?  That is the problem. They merely follow what white men tell them to do. Ashwin on the other hand very savvy with these things. He doesn't blindly follow the arbitrary "spirit laws" imposed by English community. He just follows the books. Called out chuckers, called out these guys. Hope other cricketers try to think independently.

Well I think batters need to get down of their high horses are realize what the law says, if it is a mode of dismissal per law, plan on how you don't get out this way. The approach to try & shame the bowler & acting like some saint saying I will never do that isn't going to help, you know what? bowlers like ashiwn & deepthi will happily take your wicket.

 

what is a take now? just treat it like any other dismissal, fielding side often appeals for lbws, catches which aren't awarded that doesn't mean they will stop try to appeal or effecting that, ultimately umpires will adjudicate whether its out per the laws. Just do your job rather than crying.

[zen]

14 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Well I think batters need to get down of their high horses are realize what the law says, if it is a mode of dismissal per law, plan on how you don't get out this way. The approach to try & shame the bowler & acting like some saint saying I will never do that isn't going to help, you know what? bowlers like ashiwn & deepthi will happily take your wicket.

 

Well that does not allow for cheating (by bending the laws), which is what the discussion is about … If you don’t have the skills to get the batsman out, Mankad properly when the opportunity is there (not “Ashwin” to create such circumstances as you may have missed an opportunity earlier)
 

In 2012 v SL, don’t know if Ashwin cheated or not, but Viru allowed the batsman to continue. 

In that IPL, Ashwin was the captain iirc. If not, who knows, Buttler would have continued. Thankfully, PK removed him (and probably also dropped him from the squad).

Edited September 30, 2022 by zen

[coffee_rules]

20 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

THALA school of Backing up lol

He knows how galli bowlers deceive, hence..

[IndianRenegade]

18 minutes ago, zen said:

Again, discussion is about “bending” the laws where the bowler deliberately waited for the batsman to sneak out. 
 

 

 

 

lol this is the final reply you will get as you keep repeating the same claims already responded to sufficiently. There is no 'bending' the laws, Ashwin's job was not to interpret the law or bend it. It was the umpires job, MCC has recently clarified this so go cry to mcc. so all the folks crying about ashwin & deepthi, instead of umpires & mcc makes it pretty clear that the white man is pissed off that a brown person was smarter. 

 

  

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The commentators, etc., they know the laws (the discussion is beyond that). 

 

lol, lets remove umpires, mcc because we have commentators you know...

 

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Ashwin cheated (by bending the laws). 

 

lol, ashwin appealed he didn't adjudicate any one out, even assuming he knew that the run out he effected was not out how does that make him a cheat? are batters who stand their ground after nicking a ball cheaters? are bowlers appealing even when they know it probably isn't out cheats?

Edited September 30, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[IndianRenegade]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Well that does not allow for cheating (by bending the laws), which is what the discussion is about … If you don’t have the skills to get the batsman out, Mankad properly when the opportunity is there (not “Ashwin” to create such circumstances as you missed an opportunity earlier)
 

In 2012, don’t know if Ashwin cheated or not, but Viru allowed the batsman to continue. 

In that IPL, Ashwin was the captain iirc. If not, who knows, Buttler would have continued. Thankfully, PK removed him.

Yeah you do realize there is a person on the ground called umpire whose job it is to adjudicate, but thats inconvenient for your uncle tom view... so carry on.  

[zen]

Just now, IndianRenegade said:

Yeah you do realize there is a person on the ground called umpire whose job it is to adjudicate, but thats inconvenient for your uncle tom view... so carry on.  

Again a bookish point as umpires have given many false decisions, which have been discussed by all … There is a reason, DRS is valuable as umpires cannot be relied upon all the time! 

[coffee_rules]

15 minutes ago, zen said:

Again, discussion is about “bending” the laws where the bowler deliberately waited for the batsman to sneak out. 

The commentators, etc., they know the laws (the discussion is beyond that). 

 

Ashwin cheated (by bending the laws). 

 

That is not waiting for the non-striker to sneak out, but many spinners do to protect against pre-meditated shot , so they can change the plan. If they see a batsman switch the hand for a reverse seeep or come  out dancing in the last sec, they can change the delivery very line or length. Saeed Ajmal , Hafeez used to do it often, even our very own Kedar Jadhav too. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

lol this is the final reply you will get as you keep repeating the same claims already responded to sufficiently. There is no 'bending' the laws, Ashwin's job was not to interpret the law or bend it. It was the umpires job, MCC has recently clarified this so go cry to mcc. so all the folks crying about ashwin & deepthi, instead of umpires & mcc makes it pretty clear that the white man is pissed off that a brown person was smarter. 

 

  

 

lol, lets remove umpires, mcc because we have commentators you know...

 

 

lol, ashwin appealed he didn't adjudicate any one out, even assuming he knew that the run out he effected was not out how does that make him a cheat? are batters who stand their ground after knicking a ball cheaters? 

You haven’t responded to anything but only posted some laws which most including the commentators are aware of and when the discussion is on a different parameter. 
 

There is a difference b/w “Mankading” and “Ashwining” 

[IndianRenegade]

Just now, zen said:

Again a bookish point as umpires have given many false decisions, which have been discussed by all … There is a reason, DRS is valuable as umpires cannot be relied upon all the time! 

Anyone can be wrong, if it is a wrong decision then blame the umpire, as you said you have drs, if ashwin is running you out & umpires can't be relied up on go for a review. stop crying.

 

No one blames the bowler when he appeals for a wide, a lbw which isn't one or a catch when there is no nick. The white folks blame the bowler in this case, because they don't want bowlers to attempt a non-striker run out. plain & simple. 

 

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

That is not waiting for the non-striker to sneak out, but many spinners do to protect against pre-meditated shot , so they can change the plan. If they see a batsman switch the hand for a reverse seeep or come  out dancing in the last sec, they can change the delivery very line or length. Saeed Ajmal , Hafeez used to do it often, even our very own Kedar Jadhav too. 

It is waiting. Even against SL,  Veru asked the batsman to continue (can’t recall if Ashwin did Mankading or Ashwining there)

[zen]

1 minute ago, IndianRenegade said:

Anyone can be wrong, if it is a wrong decision then blame the umpire, as you said you have drs, if ashwin is running you out & umpires can't be relied up on go for a review. stop crying.

 

No one blames the bowler when he appeals for a wide, a lbw which isn't one or a catch when there is no nick. The white folks blame the bowler in this case, because they don't want bowlers to attempt a non-striker run out. plain & simple. 

 

 

Because Ashwining is not Mankading …. appealing is not bending the law, creating circumstances to cheat is