Hardik Pandya's batting in T20I tournaments

[Vijy]

19 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

That's the problem, one size fits all approach won't work for everyone.

There is need of only one accumulator..some should have the ability to crank up while some should be an out and out Dasher.

 

Same is with bowling, you need variety. But all Indian cricket is looking for line length short height 125kph trundlers. 

we like 125 in T20s. 125 kph bowlers and 125 SR batters

[raki05]

Look at this batting by Srinath and Jadeja for 10th wkt parneeship against strong sa team and then our lodu Xi who cant even chase against mediocre Westindies. Kumble and Srinath batting was much better than our current 6-11 batting positions.

[vvvslaxman]

29 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Look at this batting by Srinath and Jadeja for 10th wkt parneeship against strong sa team and then our lodu Xi who cant even chase against mediocre Westindies. Kumble and Srinath batting was much better than our current 6-11 batting positions.

 

Binny, Prabakar, Madanlal, Sandhu were all capable batsmen.  We have gone back to the chandrasekar/prasanna era where we had 4 proper tailenders

[Vijy]

On 8/9/2023 at 9:05 AM, vvvslaxman said:

 

Binny, Prabakar, Madanlal, Sandhu were all capable batsmen.  We have gone back to the chandrasekar/prasanna era where we had 4 proper tailenders

not really. bedi, pras, and especially venkat were capable tailenders compared to likes of chahal, mukesh coomer, etc

[Trichromatic]

SR of 77. 
 

Even test batsmen of England don’t bat that slow.

 

He is becoming tuk tuk master.

[Trichromatic]

Patel 10 balls 13 runs

Samson 9 balls 13

Arshdeep 4 balls 8

 

specialist hitter 18 balls 14

 

costed India 15 runs today

[zen]

The assumption on such threads appears to be that every batsmay plays in a similar fashion irrespective of the situation like in a video game 

 

SR are mostly for top-order (#1-3) batsmen. MO batsmen are judged based on how they play various situations. Sometimes, they are in at 50/3 or 4 and sometimes at 150/3 or 4. 

 

Anyways, there are all kinds of folks with their own set of opinions formed based on basic understanding of sports.

[Trichromatic]

28 minutes ago, zen said:

The assumption on such threads appears to be that every batsmay plays in a similar fashion irrespective of the situation like in a video game 

 

SR are mostly for top-order (#1-3) batsmen. MO batsmen are judged based on how they play various situations. Sometimes, they are in at 50/3 or 4 and sometimes at 150/3 or 4. 

 

Anyways, there are all kinds of folks with their own set of opinions formed based on basic understanding of sports.

 

There is no justification for batting at SR of 77 on such flat pitch.

 

This is not 80s cricket.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

 

There is no justification for batting at SR of 77 on such flat pitch.

 

This is not 80s cricket.

Well at 80 odd for 4 with 40% overs to go and only Axar to come, someone needed to stay with SKY and then accelerate … the flamboyant SKY too was going at run a ball for most of his inning

 

It is not like he came in at #3 with 9 wickets in hand and went at 77

[Trichromatic]

Career averages

	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	92	71	18	1348	71*	25.43	964	139.83	0	3	3	96	69
filtered	21	19	4	393	63	26.20	323	121.67	0	1	0	28	16

Reverse cumulative

Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s		Opposition	Start Date
1	1	0	14	14	14.00	18	77.77	0	0	0	0	1		v West Indies	13 Aug 2023
2	1	0	14	14	14.00	18	77.77	0	0	0	0	1		v West Indies	12 Aug 2023
3	2	1	34	20*	34.00	33	103.03	0	0	0	1	2		v West Indies	8 Aug 2023
4	3	1	58	24	29.00	51	113.72	0	0	0	1	4		v West Indies	6 Aug 2023
5	4	1	77	24	25.66	70	110.00	0	0	0	4	4		v West Indies	3 Aug 2023
6	5	1	107	30	26.75	87	122.98	0	0	0	8	5		v New Zealand	1 Feb 2023
7	6	2	122	30	30.50	107	114.01	0	0	0	9	5		v New Zealand	29 Jan 2023
8	7	2	143	30	28.60	127	112.59	0	0	0	10	6		v New Zealand	27 Jan 2023
9	8	2	147	30	24.50	131	112.21	0	0	0	10	6		v Sri Lanka	7 Jan 2023
10	9	2	159	30	22.71	143	111.18	0	0	0	11	7		v Sri Lanka	5 Jan 2023
11	10	2	188	30	23.50	170	110.58	0	0	0	15	7		v Sri Lanka	3 Jan 2023
12	11	3	218	30*	27.25	188	115.95	0	0	0	18	8		v New Zealand	22 Nov 2022
13	12	3	231	30*	25.66	201	114.92	0	0	0	18	8		v New Zealand	20 Nov 2022
14	13	3	294	63	29.40	234	125.64	0	1	0	22	13		v England	10 Nov 2022
15	14	3	312	63	28.36	252	123.80	0	1	0	24	13		v Zimbabwe	6 Nov 2022
16	15	3	317	63	26.41	258	122.86	0	1	0	24	13		v Bangladesh	2 Nov 2022
17	16	3	319	63	24.53	261	122.22	0	1	0	24	13		v South Africa	30 Oct 2022
18	16	3	319	63	24.53	261	122.22	0	1	0	24	13		v Netherlands	27 Oct 2022
19	17	3	359	63	25.64	298	120.46	0	1	0	25	15		v Pakistan	23 Oct 2022
20	18	4	384	63	27.42	314	122.29	0	1	0	27	16		v Australia	25 Sep 2022
21	19	4	393	63	26.20	323	121.67	0	1	0	28	16		v Australia	23 Sep 2022

 

 

SR of 121 in last 21 matches and we are told that SR is not for middle/lower order batsmen. Going by that logic, India might be in bad situation all the time.

[Trichromatic]

Just now, zen said:

Well at 80 odd for 4 with 40% overs to go and only Axar to come, someone needed to stay with SKY and then accelerate … the flamboyant SKY too was going at run a ball for most of his inning

 

It is not like he came in at #3 with 9 wickets in hand and went at 77

 

No other batsmen scored at such low SR.

 

India lost by first T20I 4 runs while chasing 7 RPO and Pandya scored at SR of 100 (RR of 6).

 

Today team scored at 8.2 RPO and Pandya scored at SR of 77 (RR of 4.5). Lowest SR in the team today.

 

Is he staying till end and accelerating to make up for his slow batting? No. He isn't. He is just throwing wicket away after sucking away momentum.

 

SR of 121 in last 21 games is proof of declining batting ability.

[Trichromatic]

 

SR of T20I batsmen on batting positions from #4-#7 during same phase.

 

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
SA Yadav (IND)	17	16	5	687	112*	62.45	389	176.60	1	7	1	59	39
MS Chapman (NZ)	14	10	4	398	104*	66.33	248	160.48	1	2	0	38	17
GD Phillips (NZ)	15	14	1	421	104	32.38	277	151.98	1	3	0	32	20
MD Shanaka (SL)	13	12	2	190	56*	19.00	127	149.60	0	1	1	10	13
C Campher (IRE)	14	11	3	277	72*	34.62	186	148.92	0	2	1	24	9
JDS Neesham (NZ)	19	16	4	171	45*	14.25	116	147.41	0	0	4	14	7
R Powell (WI)	13	12	2	256	48	25.60	179	143.01	0	0	0	10	18
N Pooran (WI)	12	12	0	217	67	18.08	155	140.00	0	1	0	15	12
HC Brook (ENG)	14	11	2	234	81*	26.00	172	136.04	0	1	0	15	11
Shakib Al Hasan (BAN)	13	13	4	270	70	30.00	200	135.00	0	2	2	30	5
GH Dockrell (IRE)	17	13	3	170	39*	17.00	129	131.78	0	0	3	14	4
DJ Mitchell (NZ)	17	16	3	383	66	29.46	291	131.61	0	3	0	22	13
Iftikhar Ahmed (PAK)	17	17	3	325	51	23.21	253	128.45	0	2	2	22	15
KIC Asalanka (SL)	12	12	1	262	67	23.81	205	127.80	0	1	1	12	16
Afif Hossain (BAN)	12	12	3	269	77*	29.88	217	123.96	0	1	0	19	8
HH Pandya (IND)	21	19	4	393	63	26.20	323	121.67	0	1	0	28	16
Najibullah Zadran (AFG)	11	11	5	153	37*	25.50	134	114.17	0	0	1	15	4
HT Tector (IRE)	18	15	1	261	47	18.64	250	104.40	0	0	1	16	7

 

 

SR is only for top order, so being one of slowest in world is justfiable.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Career averages

	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	92	71	18	1348	71*	25.43	964	139.83	0	3	3	96	69
filtered	21	19	4	393	63	26.20	323	121.67	0	1	0	28	16

 

 

SR of 121 in last 21 matches and we are told that SR is not for middle/lower order batsmen. Going by that logic, India might be in bad situation all the time.

 

 

In the period that you picked his SR has ranged from 190 to 75, mostly playing per the situation (at times, he is allowed to have a bad game; at times, he would have played less than 10-12 balls; at times, he would have come in early to have to build a partnership). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zen]

15 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

No other batsmen scored at such low SR.

 

India lost by first T20I 4 runs while chasing 7 RPO and Pandya scored at SR of 100 (RR of 6).

 

Today team scored at 8.2 RPO and Pandya scored at SR of 77 (RR of 4.5). Lowest SR in the team today.

 

Is he staying till end and accelerating to make up for his slow batting? No. He isn't. He is just throwing wicket away after sucking away momentum.

 

SR of 121 in last 21 games is proof of declining batting ability.

 

Does not matter. Batsmen in the middle order come in at different situations, each situation requires a different approach. They also play at different #s, floating b/w 4 to 7. 

 

India does not have a 100% win record. Losses can be attributed to various factors including dropped catches, wides, etc. 

 

It is not like he came in with 2 overs to go and blocked the balls. 

 

 

[ThirtyD.]

We win 2 games on the trot whilst chasing; this retard with his fake bravado decides to bat first and hands the deciding game on a platter to WI. Never mind his contribution throughout the series because it does not warrant a discussion, so hopefully we are done stroking his ego and kick him the eff out of the team and bring him back to ground reality; that he isn’t an AR that he thinks he is and get back to domestic cricket to sharpen his game. Hopefully he takes the coach with him.

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, zen said:

 

Does not matter. Batsmen in the middle order come in at different situations, each situation requires a different approach. They also play at different #s, floating b/w 4 to 7. 

 

India does not have a 100% win record. Losses can be attributed to various factors including dropped catches, wides, etc. 

 

It is not like he came in with 2 overs to go and blocked the balls. 

 

 

But Pandya is equivalent of 4 players, so what’s the need of tuk tuk?

[zen]

53 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

But Pandya is equivalent of 4 players, so what’s the need of tuk tuk?

“Match situation mostly” … + probably trying to play like “a responsible captain” at times in tough match situations (remember he just started out as the captain so he is adjusting to that aspect as well), and assigning more attacking roles to other players … Now he tries to bat in the upper middle order #4-5 too versus batting mostly in the lower middle order (#6-7). 

 

It is not like he is wasting the powerplay or blocking in the last 2-3 overs. 

And he usually does well in important ICC games like the recent SF v Eng, while contributing in various other ways.
 

He is under 30 and expected to play for 5-6 years more. He will have both good and bad phases. He is not in the last phase of his career to worry if he is past his best (yes, as his game gets constantly analyzed, he will have to keep adjusting too).
 

His career avg is 25 and SR is 140. For comparision, Pooran’s 26 too and 132 respectively. Both are expected to get into even more fruitful and dominating phase!

 

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by zen

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

No other batsmen scored at such low SR.

 

India lost by first T20I 4 runs while chasing 7 RPO and Pandya scored at SR of 100 (RR of 6).

 

Today team scored at 8.2 RPO and Pandya scored at SR of 77 (RR of 4.5). Lowest SR in the team today.

 

Is he staying till end and accelerating to make up for his slow batting? No. He isn't. He is just throwing wicket away after sucking away momentum.

 

SR of 121 in last 21 games is proof of declining batting ability.

Other than his flukey 60 odd against England has stunk in batting for ever. Mind you even in that innings he was batting 24(21) at the end of 17th over.He instead of taking the pressure of the batsman at the other end always add pressure by unable to even rotate SR like today.