The two best T20 sides are in the final

[the don]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

That’s applicable to most sc teams. Also in T20, the moment the format becomes longer we know how it goes. Anyway not the day to nitpick or taunt, congrats.

My point is India struggled in Dubai at the Worldcup and Asia cup and now here in adelaide vs eng and bangladesh. 
They have built a very one dimentional side.

[Number]

Irrespective of what happens in this tournament India, England and Australia are still top tier T20 teams. 

Pak, NZ, SA and SL are 2nd tier with Pakistan comfortably ahead of others probably much closer to tier 1.

 

Any team against any team can have a bad day. Aus had one against NZ, England lost to Ireland and now India had a bad match up against England in this conditions and against SA in Perth.

 

[Bigg Brother]

True.. Congratulations. 

 

 

[maniac]

Just now, the don said:

My point is India struggled in Dubai at the Worldcup and Asia cup and now here in adelaide vs eng and bangladesh. 
They have built a very one dimentional side.

India struggled only when defending scores.

 

Yes Indian side is one dimensional. That doesn’t make the other teams better.

 

Pak has fantastic T20 bowling line up but their batting is average.

 

Eng is the most destructive batting line up but they have some loopholes in bowling.

 

India is overall mediocre but can beat both those teams more often than not.

 

so can Nzl.

 

it’s very minute between teams.

 

Also Ind vs Bangladesh is an anamoly. It was a freak knock by Das and if it was a full game Bangla would have lost by a larger margin. We have seen enough cricket to conclude that.

[Stan AF]

Begs the question. What is the use of IPL?

[sillypoint12]

5 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Begs the question. What is the use of IPL?

Quite a useless league. 

[Arvind32]

49 minutes ago, Number said:

Irrespective of what happens in this tournament India, England and Australia are still top tier T20 teams. 

Pak, NZ, SA and SL are 2nd tier with Pakistan comfortably ahead of others probably much closer to tier 1.

 

Any team against any team can have a bad day. Aus had one against NZ, England lost to Ireland and now India had a bad match up against England in this conditions and against SA in Perth.

 

Seriously , how you expect india to win any icc tournament when there main batsmen scoring ball a run on 200 plus pitch . Not to mention senior quota 

[adi B]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

another perspective: Two teams that lost to minnows Zimbabwe and Ireland are playing the final.

Pakistan lost to 2 minnows , India and Zimbabwe, so they are lucky on that perspective 

[adi B]

Tbh Pakistan lost 2 close games ,that they should have won ,Pakistan would have been 5-0  ,unbeaten by now .

So yes Two best teams in the final 

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, maniac said:

Absolutely also ironic that the 2 teams playing the finals lost to Ireland and Zimbabwe respectively

 

Please take KL Rahul, he will solve that issue next time 

So real winner will be either Ireland or Zimbabwe

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, adi B said:

Tbh Pakistan lost 2 close games ,that they should have won ,Pakistan would have been 5-0  ,unbeaten by now .

So yes Two best teams in the final 

yes, they could have been 5-0

[daryl1985]

England are the best team.

most firepower, most bowling options but lack a bowling superstar.

 

Pakistan are 2nd best, best bowling attack by far but lack depth in their batting line-up.

 

Objectively speaking this is the best final.

 

England against the only team that look capable of beating them.

 

We are getting the final we expected last year.

 

[Bigg Brother]

20 hours ago, Number said:

Irrespective of what happens in this tournament India, England and Australia are still top tier T20 teams. 

Pak, NZ, SA and SL are 2nd tier with Pakistan comfortably ahead of others probably much closer to tier 1.

 

Any team against any team can have a bad day. Aus had one against NZ, England lost to Ireland and now India had a bad match up against England in this conditions and against SA in Perth.

 

No they are not..Stop deluding yourself. And I think OP is talking about 2 best team of tournament which is very true. Both the team were up against an humongous task after losing to Ireland and India-Zim in their respective group. Pakistan was helped by Netherlands but the way they triumphed NZ made it all right that they are the deserving sf. And there is no tier in T20 teams. All are equal as it has been shown by wt20 tournaments, the team you haven't even mentioned (WI) is 2 times wt20 winner. Nobody remembers Bilateral T20 series except our fanatics. Our maharathis can shove Down there T20 stats to you know where , but the facts is they are bang average , Bilateral bullies who are incompetent when it comes to ICC tournaments. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Bigg Brother

[Vijy]

14 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

No they are not..Stop deluding yourself. And I think OP is talking about 2 best team of tournament which is very true. Both the team were up against an humongous task after losing to Ireland and India-Zim in their respective group. Pakistan was helped by Netherlands but the way they triumphed NZ made it all right that they are the deserving sf. And there is no tier in T20 teams. All are equal as it has been shown by wt20 tournaments, the team you haven't even mentioned (WI) is 2 times wt20 winner. Nobody remembers Bilateral T20 series except our fanatics. Our maharathis can shove Down there T20 stats to you know where , but the facts is they are bang average , Bilateral bullies who are incompetent when it comes to ICC tournaments. 

bilateral stat padders will not win trophies. as simple as that

[Nikhil_cric]

Interesting to note that Pakistan's strongest performances have come at Sydney - the one pitch that had the least bounce and least movement. 

 

The other early season venues in Australia with exaggerated movement and/or bounce were terrible for Pakistan. 

 

If MCG tmrw has a lot of bounce/movement, I suspect Pakistan will lose comfortably. 

 

 

[Vijy]

9 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Interesting to note that Pakistan's strongest performances have come at Sydney - the one pitch that had the least bounce and least movement. 

 

The other early season venues in Australia with exaggerated movement and/or bounce were terrible for Pakistan. 

 

If MCG tmrw has a lot of bounce/movement, I suspect Pakistan will lose comfortably. 

 

 

eng T20 batters are bad against bounce/movement especially when facing 4 pacers who bowl at 140+ --> shaheen, naseem, moh wasim, and rauf

[vvvslaxman]

Pakistan was languishing at 3rd or 4th in the group until Netherlands put them over. So stop claiming "top 2 teams".  As fluky as Australia win last time.  This is their sheer luck they played good oppositions on flat pitches. Moment they were up against a minnow at Perth they got badly exposed

[the don]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pakistan was languishing at 3rd or 4th in the group until Netherlands put them over. So stop claiming "top 2 teams".  As fluky as Australia win last time.  This is their sheer luck they played good oppositions on flat pitches. Moment they were up against a minnow at Perth they got badly exposed

India faced a first round exit at t20 worldcup 21.

Didnt make the asia cup final in a theee horse race and again had a bad t20 in 2022.

You can read into that all you want. Every pundit reckons the same.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, the don said:

India faced a first round exit at t20 worldcup 21.

Didnt make the asia cup final in a theee horse race and again had a bad t20 in 2022.

You can read into that all you want. Every pundit reckons the same.

 

Despite with bad team selection they finished at the top. But for Netherlands Pakistan would have finished at 3. So don't act like that is the best team. 

[the don]

50 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Despite with bad team selection they finished at the top. But for Netherlands Pakistan would have finished at 3. So don't act like that is the best team. 

Lol No pak and Eng are the two best. Pak hammered Newzealand in the tri series too who went on to top group A.

England and Pak. 1 and 2.