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24 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

When you talk big - surely you have something to back it up troll


ok since you seem to be new to internet and can’t do a simple Google search, have this

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/crime-against-women-rose-by-15-3-in-2021-ncrb-8119739/

 

“The NCRB report also shows that the rate of crime against women (number of incidents per 1 lakh population) increased from 56.5 per cent in 2020 to 64.5 per cent in 2021. A majority of these cases (31.8 per cent) fall in the category of “Cruelty by husband or his relatives’’

 

31 percent incident is by husbands and relatives. were all these 31 percent Muslims? Or were all these 31% in live in relationships or love marriage? 
 

Instead of talking about systemic abuse of women by men of all countries and religion, the focus here is about the religion of the killer and the live in relationship. Not a surprise from a Islamophobic, “cultural”, boomer forum. :facepalm:

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Apparently he had beaten her in 2020,too and some guy took her to hospital whose iv I watched today that it was so bad that it seemed she was choked and he found it serious matter that he should report police and I think Police just considered it as domestic abuse and explained to both party and didn't register the case .. Also she was hospitalized for this for 3-4 days where even Dr said it seemed assault primafacie.

 

Amazing how she still went on to live in with that guy again. Really not generalizing but why girls seem to like to be in abusive relationship (mentally and physically) . Just brutal what happened. The details coming out is just scary.

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5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:


don’t put words in others mouths. Nobody said this in this thread, in fact most have noted that it’s not a case of live jihad. Most comments are about a person’s brutality and the deterioration of family structure. Yes, women are being found in suitcases on a daily basis, but not in freezers cut into pieces. You are objecting to his name being openly discussed instead of saying Man, Jilted lover, Food Blogger, Chef, etc

We must not forget that there could be other angles too. Remember Pakistani Gangs of rapist groomer for who treated Non Muslim women/girls in UK were kafir women to be used for sex.

 

No offence, but isn’t it true position of Islam on Non Muslim women. Why can’t we have similar angle in India

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My observation from this event is as follows :- 

 

1) This is not Hindu Muslim issue. This is an issue though. Women are very unsafe in India in general. The fact that should scare us is that in a metro city this educated woman was so isolated inspite of repeated offenses. 
 

2) One of biggest epidemic we will have in coming years in mental and psychological disorders. Honestly India has not seen the worst yet. It usually starts when country starts becoming assured for its daily living. They can  now focus on screwing themselves up. 
 

3) The non left even though unorganized has quite well learnt from their opposition how to build narratives. Just like @ash would decide and frame what constitutes Dalit atrocity, just like the communists and periyarites framed the anti Hindu / Brahmin narrative with selective citation loop using selective sources with curated headlines, the non left is now beginning to do the same thing. 
 

So now we enter into a full pronged two sided narrative war. It’s painful but better than lopsided one earlier. It’s basically going to be like US where each issue will have two sides. In a way I don’t mind it because smart moderates can choose and oscillate between the two. 
 

4) Hindu civilization and its awareness about itself will only get more and more crystallized. Directionally I don’t see non left moving towards but those Hindus who kept talking secularism / pluralism can become more and more civilizational. For next 10 years, once stabilized, it will not be plank to fight over. In fact, then we could see rose of genuine left party once civilizational identity is settled. 

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1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

My observation from this event is as follows :- 

 

1) This is not Hindu Muslim issue. This is an issue though. Women are very unsafe in India in general. The fact that should scare us is that in a metro city this educated woman was so isolated inspite of repeated offenses. 
 

2) One of biggest epidemic we will have in coming years in mental and psychological disorders. Honestly India has not seen the worst yet. It usually starts when country starts becoming assured for its daily living. They can  now focus on screwing themselves up. 
 

3) The non left even though unorganized has quite well learnt from their opposition how to build narratives. Just like @ash would decide and frame what constitutes Dalit atrocity, just like the communists and periyarites framed the anti Hindu / Brahmin narrative with selective citation loop using selective sources with curated headlines, the non left is now beginning to do the same thing. 
 

So now we enter into a full pronged two sided narrative war. It’s painful but better than lopsided one earlier. It’s basically going to be like US where each issue will have two sides. In a way I don’t mind it because smart moderates can choose and oscillate between the two. 
 

4) Hindu civilization and its awareness about itself will only get more and more crystallized. Directionally I don’t see non left moving towards but those Hindus who kept talking secularism / pluralism can become more and more civilizational. For next 10 years, once stabilized, it will not be plank to fight over. In fact, then we could see rose of genuine left party once civilizational identity is settled. 

Point no 3 can create a lot of confusion in a religiously diverse country like India where differences such as religion, caste, community aren't isolated from legislation, politics and law and order. We know that "Right" is not always right and "left" is not always the only option left.

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Right left is not issue. Having different faith is not issue atleast among Hindus or even Christians and jews 
 

In simple terms, Issue is what followers of other faith system says about me and how it impacts me.
 

If other faith followers thinks I am kafir and should be killed, if other faith says our Girls are not pure enough and can be enslaved and least can be used as sex object and so on, then till date crimes by the followers of that faith must be seen and investigated by lens of their beliefs as well. 
 

 

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7 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

Apparently he had beaten her in 2020,too and some guy took her to hospital whose iv I watched today that it was so bad that it seemed she was choked and he found it serious matter that he should report police and I think Police just considered it as domestic abuse and explained to both party and didn't register the case .. Also she was hospitalized for this for 3-4 days where even Dr said it seemed assault primafacie.

 

Amazing how she still went on to live in with that guy again. Really not generalizing but why girls seem to like to be in abusive relationship (mentally and physically) . Just brutal what happened. The details coming out is just scary.

Hindu parents disowning their daughters in such cases is the real issue. Hindus ostracizing the parents of such kids,  from the  community and parents fearing it is the issue. So daughters cut off from friends and relatives will hold on to such toxic relationships as they have no support system.  Parents should never give up on kids and should welcome back their kids from bad marriages. They treat women from bad marriages or pre-marital sex  as damaged goods 

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5 hours ago, Pollack said:

Point no 3 can create a lot of confusion in a religiously diverse country like India where differences such as religion, caste, community aren't isolated from legislation, politics and law and order. We know that "Right" is not always right and "left" is not always the only option left.

Rise of the traditional left in the future means Raitas will emerge . Trads (RW) lose out. 

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23 hours ago, ash said:


ok since you seem to be new to internet and can’t do a simple Google search, have this

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/crime-against-women-rose-by-15-3-in-2021-ncrb-8119739/

 

“The NCRB report also shows that the rate of crime against women (number of incidents per 1 lakh population) increased from 56.5 per cent in 2020 to 64.5 per cent in 2021. A majority of these cases (31.8 per cent) fall in the category of “Cruelty by husband or his relatives’’

 

31 percent incident is by husbands and relatives. were all these 31 percent Muslims? Or were all these 31% in live in relationships or love marriage? 
 

Instead of talking about systemic abuse of women by men of all countries and religion, the focus here is about the religion of the killer and the live in relationship. Not a surprise from a Islamophobic, “cultural”, boomer forum. :facepalm:

You said cutting up ppl has become commonplace. What does this stat have to do with anything that is being discussed? 

 

Other than you noone is stressing on religion. What is being discussed is that when the perpetrator is not Muslim and instead a Hindu - the caste and religion of the victims and perpetrators is widely discussed which you are against here.

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23 hours ago, bharathh said:

You said cutting up ppl has become commonplace. What does this stat have to do with anything that is being discussed? 

 

Other than you noone is stressing on religion. What is being discussed is that when the perpetrator is not Muslim and instead a Hindu - the caste and religion of the victims and perpetrators is widely discussed which you are against here.


Right on first page of the thread someone says “religion of peace” , don’t  act innocent and maintain that no one talked about religion here. 
 

Again, abuse against women is commonplace. Please read more, not just opindia

 

 

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12 minutes ago, ash said:


Right on first page of the thread someone says “religion of peace” , don’t  act innocent and maintain that no one talked about religion here. 
 

Again, abuse against women is commonplace. Please read more, not just opindia

 

 

Since you can read - you should have also noticed that a lot of ppl also said this has nothing to do with religion. Also pls tell me where cutting up ppl has become commonplace as you mentioned. 

 

Domestic violence is a problem across the world. What stood out about this is the violence about it. 

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This is an absolutely gruesome murder....nothing to do with any religion, insane stuff like this can happen anywhere in the world. Maximum punishment to the murderer.

 

This body chopping reminded me of a very infamous murder in Bangalore during my early teen days. 

 

The victim's name was Beena, I knew her...had talked to her few times. Very modern looking girl...she was very cool...... She used to rent out near my friend's house....She did have many male friends who used to often drop by to meet her. It was her personal life so it was none of anyone's business to judge her based on that......maybe she liked socializing :dontknow: 

 

She was very sweet & humble...so none of us friends thought anything negative about her. 

 

The last time I saw her....it was during a visit to my family doctor....She was there seated in the waiting area with a guy & usually she used to always greet with a smile whenever I met her before, this time around she just looked away.....I assumed that she was in serious relation with this guy & probably didn't want to send any wrong message ( It was her fiance, a guy named Mahesh I came to know later on that he eventually married her ).....so out of respect.... I just ignored her as well.

 

After that, time went by........Then I got this horrible news that she got murdered & her father-in-law allegedly had chopped up her body......That was such a shocking news back then.

 

Now after such a long time.....This incident made me google her murder. 

 

I found this info...very sad.

 

JUDGMENT Mirdhe, J.

 

4. The case of the prosecution is as follows :- Appellant No. 1 is the only son of appellant No. 2. He fell in love with one girl by name Beena, who was belonging of Kodavva community. Appellant No. 1 and Beena got married in spite of the objections of appellant No. 2. Beena and appellant No. 1 were living separately from accused-appellant No. 2 in a house bearing door No. 816. First floor, 61st Cross, V Block, Rajainagar, Bangalore, and they were leading a married life there from January, 1988 to 28-11-1998. During that period Beena became pregnant. On 28-11-88 at about 8.30 p.m. appellant No. 1 took Beena for dinner in the car bearing No. MED 5805 belonging to appellant No. 2 to Hotel Imperial situated in Residency Road, Bangalore. After dinner, appellant No. 1 gave some poinsonous substance to Beena, as a result of which Beena collapsed in the car. Accused No. 1 appellant No. 1 brought her in an unconscious state to the house of appellant No. 2 and handed over her to appellant No. 2 at about 11.30 p.m. On 29-11-88 the accused carried four bags full of flesh in the same car and scattered the flesh in the forest area situated in the campus of Agricultural University near Hebbal and G.K. V.K. Campus. Beena was found missing from 28-11-88 at 11.30 p.m. and she was 20 years of age when she married appellant No. 1 Both the appellants-accused in furtherance of their common intention to murder Beena while she was pregnant caused her death by cutting her body to small pieces and scattered those pieces as mentioned above. The complaint in this case is filed by P.W. 32 Md. Khalander as per Ex. P-14, P.W. 46 Nagaraj registered the complain and both the appellants were arrested. They made voluntary statements after their arrest by the police and in pursuance of the voluntary statements made by the accused, the bones were recovered from the Agircultural University Campus, Hebbal, and also the G.K. V.K. Campus. The police after completion of the investigation filed charge-sheet against the appellants.

5. There are no eye witnesses to connect any of the appellants with the offences alleged against them in this case. The case of the prosecution is based on circumstantial evidence. An accused can be convicted even on the basis of circumstantial evidence. But, the standard of circumstantial evidence required for the conviction of the accused is that the circumstances alleged by the prosecution against the accused must be proved beyond reasonable doubt and the chain of circumstances must be so close so as to exclude all the reasonable hypothesis of the innocence of the accused. In other words, the circumstances must be consistent only with the guilt of the accused and not with his innocence. The trial court has convicted the appellants finding that the circumstantial evidence led by the prosecution comes to this standard of proof and the prosecution has proved the guilt of the appellants beyond reasonable doubt.

 

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1130053/

 

 

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This is not about religion...more about the psychopaths amongst us. 

It is also about acceptance of abuse in relationships and the refusal of victims to get away from abusers.

 

Another case....

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/azamgarh-man-kills-ex-partner-chops-body-into-six-parts-101669056084291.html

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2 hours ago, beetle said:

This is not about religion...more about the psychopaths amongst us

It is also about acceptance of abuse in relationships and the refusal of victims to get away from abusers.

 

Another case....

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/azamgarh-man-kills-ex-partner-chops-body-into-six-parts-101669056084291.html

True.....There is also a known fact about why many murderers get involved in cutting up the body of adult victims.

The very magnitude the killer is faced with is..

1) The dead body is large & so visible

2) The dead weight is so difficult to drag & dump

That's when the hidden Butcher talent comes out of the evil person.....sigh

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3 hours ago, beetle said:

This is not about religion...more about the psychopaths amongst us. 

It is also about acceptance of abuse in relationships and the refusal of victims to get away from abusers.

 

Another case....

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/azamgarh-man-kills-ex-partner-chops-body-into-six-parts-101669056084291.html

 

Very true, the victim here wanted to marry the criminal since she felt there was no other option after having gone against her family's wishes.

 

Our society is in an inconsistent state where law allows live in relationship, most people disapprove of them (few do so violently) and some courts classify them as marriage and/or rape. 

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^^ Damn, and she still moved with him to Delhi.

 

When things escalate and get to police station, all bets are off. If the man is physically abusive, the woman needs to snap ties ASAP. Likewise, if the woman files false complaint of dowry/rape etc, the man needs to purge the relationship legally. 

 

Edit: this isn't intended to blame the victim, just one of the lessons learnt to prevent such future tragedies as far as possible.

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1 hour ago, Clarke said:

^^ Damn, and she still moved with him to Delhi.

 

When things escalate and get to police station, all bets are off. If the man is physically abusive, the woman needs to snap ties ASAP. Likewise, if the woman files false complaint of dowry/rape etc, the man needs to purge the relationship legally. 

I don't blame the girl. As I said, Hindus as society need to improve upon how they see a girl or women in the Hindu society. Accept them the way they are without any taboo. Single mother, LGBT what not. Unless thats sorted the abuse will continue under social pressure.

 

Reminds me of my early days post college. One of my very close friend was in abusive relationship. Reason for abuse, Absolutely nothing apart from she got a very well paid  government job which was at the time highest among her in laws family. She kept telling me what was happening with her life and even filing Police FIR was of no use as they treated it as family dispute (mian biwi ka jhagada) she cant give up on her abusive husband. Luck or bad luck, Her husband died in a road accident and her life became normal. Now she is head of State Board of a Particular state of India with a very affluent life with no issues living with her child who is doing well in her studies. She is taking care of same inlaws family members and even her own mother who were dead against her when she wanted to walk out of relationship.

 

Moral of story: We must educate our girls and make them indepent. let the girls live and mange and live their life without social pressure.

 

PS; Where was this Social outrage when, most likely that poor girl Shraddha was sacrificed at altar of family and social honour. This Girl was killed twice, Once by our Hindu Society and then by this Aftab

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1 hour ago, Clarke said:

^^ Damn, and she still moved with him to Delhi.

 

When things escalate and get to police station, all bets are off. If the man is physically abusive, the woman needs to snap ties ASAP. Likewise, if the woman files false complaint of dowry/rape etc, the man needs to purge the relationship legally. 

The big question on everyone's mind is "why?". The sad reality is that for every one case like this, there are millions more that are unreported and suffering everyday, out of economic necessity mostly. Even in countries like the US, women put up with abuse due to lack of choice. In a jungle, weaker animals fall prey to stronger predators. In society, there are some psychopaths who operate purely on animalistic tendencies and there will always be eager prey willing to join up with them. Psychos have very strong push-pull mechanisms which they use to manipulate their victims. They can be charming one moment and vicious the very next. They condition their victims to get used to an abuse cycle as if it is a "test" of their true faith. Also, the victim will reach a point where once she gets beat up, she will feel she "deserved" the beatdown. 

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