BCCI set to drop many senior players from T20s (T20WC22 debacle)

[express bowling]

50 minutes ago, maniac said:

Rohit like MSD is a master of Sc conditons. Horses for courses.  Australian and Indian conditons are day and night. Needs to be the captain for 2023 wc. No knee jerk reactions please.

 

After 2023 Pant, Pandya and unfortunately Rahul should be leading to take over. Pandya has nailed T20s and maybe ODIs. Pant for tests is and Bumrah as vc for all 3 is the way to go.

 

 

When Rohit was a fresh and good captain, he was never made the captain in LOIs.

 

Now he looks jaded and defensive just like most older captains.

 

Captain MSD was not a " monolithic thing ".

He was great from 2007 to 2013 in LOIs and then started stinking. 

 

With age, aggression and ruthlessness usually go missing, especially for people who have achieved a lot in the past. Same seems to be happening here.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by express bowling

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

When Rohit as a fresh and good captain, he was never made the captain in LOIs.

 

Now he looks jaded and defensive just like most older captains.

 

Captain MSD was not a " monolithic thing ".

He was great from 2007 to 2013 in LOIs and then started stinking. 

 

With age, aggression and ruthlessness usually go missing, especially for people who have achieved a lot in the past. Same seems to be happening here.

 

 

fair point but we always make dumb knee jerk reactions before and right after big tournaments that affects stability.

 

teams like Pakistan, SL or even Australia have over performed because they have backed the same set of players regardless of criticism and that has helped them gel as a team. Same to an extent for England. Morgan was so

horribole in those last few months that they had no choice. Even Finch with similar decline was backed till the completion of the cycle.

 

we have 2 yrs for next WT20 so good time to start rebuilding by phasing our seniors.100% agree.

 

WC 2023 we should stick with the current setup with some obvious slots being addressed like bowling. Guys like Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli will make runs in their sleep in odi format against 75% of the teams. The next cycle being 4 years absolutely no space for them for next wc and we should start rebuilding in odi format as well.

 

 

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, maniac said:

just hope he doesn’t hide himself with the ball and bat. Not a comfortable sign last game.

 

In the last game, Hardik had a very severe case of stiff neck on the morning of the match. The commentaries were saying that they did not expect him to play. But the physio did a great job.

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, maniac said:

fair point but we always make dumb knee jerk reactions before and right after big tournaments that affects stability.

 

teams like Pakistan, SL or even Australia have over performed because they have backed the same set of players regardless of criticism and that has helped them gel as a team. Same to an extent for England. Morgan was so

horribole in those last few months that they had no choice. Even Finch with similar decline was backed till the completion of the cycle.

 

we have 2 yrs for next WT20 so good time to start rebuilding by phasing our seniors.100% agree.

 

WC 2023 we should stick with the current setup with some obvious slots being addressed like bowling. Guys like Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli will make runs in their sleep in odi format against 75% of the teams. The next cycle being 4 years absolutely no space for them for next wc and we should start rebuilding in odi format as well.

 

 

 

 

I have never seen a knee jerk action from the Indians in the last 15 years. Reactions don't matter.

 

All the non performing captains and senior players were removed after years of non performance, if at all.

 

We have reached the opposite end of the spectrum regarding actions. They are not knee jerk but just maintaining status quo till the time the situation starts to rot. 

 

A middle path is the ideal one.

 

And Australia and Pakistan have not backed the same set of players. Smith was not playing in this WC. Pakistan rehauled their entire pace bowling unit in the last 3 years. 

[Vijy]

21 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I have never seen a knee jerk action from the Indians in the last 15 years. Reactions don't matter.

 

All the non performing captains and senior players were removed after years of non performance, if at all.

 

We have reached the opposite end of the spectrum regarding actions. They are not knee jerk but just maintaining status quo till the time the situation starts to rot. 

 

A middle path is the ideal one.

 

And Australia and Pakistan have not backed the same set of players. Smith was not playing in this WC. Pakistan rehauled their entire pace bowling unit in the last 3 years. 

they will have 80% of current t20 squad play in 2024, and 50% in 2026

[Pollack]

On 11/22/2022 at 10:17 AM, express bowling said:

 

 

When Rohit was a fresh and good captain, he was never made the captain in LOIs.

 

Now he looks jaded and defensive just like most older captains.

 

 

I think Rohit might be OK as a captain. Dravid must definitely be responsible for a lot of selections. Rohit is a chill character and he will listen to the coach. Mumbai Indians had world class support staffs and coaches. Rohit was not a trundler lover as a captain of Mumbai Indians and very supportive of young players both batsmen and bowlers. Rohit had many times displayed a great liking for Kuldeep Yadav. He was selected once Rohit became captain. But as time progressed kuldeep was dropped even without getting any chances. I am sure dravid must have preffered Chahal over kuldeep. 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Pollack

[jalebi_bhai]

Lol....this explains Buzdil playing both games

[nevada]

5 hours ago, Vijy said:

they will have 80% of current t20 squad play in 2024, and 50% in 2026

Kohli will likely sign off from T20 with a match-winning 50 against Paxtan in 2026!

[nevada]

On 11/22/2022 at 10:54 AM, express bowling said:

 

 

I have never seen a knee jerk action from the Indians in the last 15 years. Reactions don't matter.

 

All the non performing captains and senior players were removed after years of non performance, if at all.

 

We have reached the opposite end of the spectrum regarding actions. They are not knee jerk but just maintaining status quo till the time the situation starts to rot. 

 

A middle path is the ideal one.

 

And Australia and Pakistan have not backed the same set of players. Smith was not playing in this WC. Pakistan rehauled their entire pace bowling unit in the last 3 years. 

I strongly feel 2023 will be a repeat of the recent T20 WC with the team full of legends who are expected to repeat the heroics of their heyday. You can gamble on maybe one veteran but you can't have an entire top order of veterans! And veterans will be in the bowling too with Shami and Ashwin very much in favor with the current TM for next year! 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, nevada said:

I strongly feel 2023 will be a repeat of the recent T20 WC with the team full of legends who are expected to repeat the heroics of their heyday. You can gamble on maybe one veteran but you can't have an entire top order of veterans! And veterans will be in the bowling too with Shami and Ashwin very much in favor with the current TM for next year! 

 

World Cup 2023 ....

 

Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahul, Pant, Hardik, Jadeja, Bumrah, Shami, Chahal are fixed.  Bhuvi will make a comeback if he becomes SRH captain.

 

That is your 11.

 

IPL Captains and IPL.big names will be never removed. They will have a tough time getting SKY in.

 

Target is probably somehow reaching SF.  If even that is not achieved, who cares apart from unwanted fans like us.  

 

We are fools and will keep watching this commercial **** show.

[zen]

Per the report below: Rohit informed by BCCI is he is no longer the T20 Captain. Sir Don to takeover: 

 

India’s NEW T20 Captain: Rohit Sharma ‘INFORMED’ about Hardik Pandya’s ‘FORTHCOMING elevation’ as NEW T20 Captain of India, BCCI official says ‘he is comfortable with the idea’: Follow LIVE Updates
 

Sir Don to be announced as captain before the SL series!

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

World Cup 2023 ....

 

Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahul, Pant, Hardik, Jadeja, Bumrah, Shami, Chahal are fixed.  Bhuvi will make a comeback if he becomes SRH captain.

 

That is your 11.

 

IPL Captains and IPL.big names will be never removed. They will have a tough time getting SKY in.

 

Target is probably somehow reaching SF.  If even that is not achieved, who cares apart from unwanted fans like us.  

 

We are fools and will keep watching this commercial **** show.

1st round exit on the cards

[vishalvirsingh]

On 11/22/2022 at 10:17 AM, express bowling said:

 

 

When Rohit was a fresh and good captain, he was never made the captain in LOIs.

 

Now he looks jaded and defensive just like most older captains.

 

Captain MSD was not a " monolithic thing ".

He was great from 2007 to 2013 in LOIs and then started stinking. 

 

With age, aggression and ruthlessness usually go missing, especially for people who have achieved a lot in the past. Same seems to be happening here.

 

 

guys - I am sure many of you are not going to agree to this.

 

Rohit is a very Shrewd , Smart and clever captain. Mumbai captains pride themselves as clever captain and if a mumbai team captain gets to captain an indian team , you can be sure that He has undergone a hard core captaincy training.

 The team he captained to the world cup was not a very Impressive team-

KL was coming back from Injury and he was not sure whether to start hitting or to defend. rohit who is as big a player as Kohli Or in today's form SKY- he himself was not in good form still India reached the Semifinals. 

As soon as Bumrah was Out , i had predicted that India may come to semifinals -if they play well and wont reach FINALS.

they Picked Shammi who was also not at his PEAK SPEED Or Peak form. his fastest bowler was HARDIK who bowled 144k once or twice and an Old Shammi touching 141/142k that also once. arsh bowled a few balls around 140-142k in one or 2 matches.

Hardik tried his bit. Rohit betted on AXAR ( who is a demon of a bowler on Indian pitches) and Ashwin who failed as in past( ash and all our spinners were hit in Australia).

Some of you would say that chahal would have made a world of difference- aisa kuch nahi hota , he would have got hit for BIgger Sixes.

A captain who has proved his captaincy and has won IPL- 2 or 3 times and even captaining India , He has captained well.

Probably the DRAVID ( defensive coach) and selectors gave him not the best Pacers that INDIA could offer.....

Siraj shammi bhuvi arsh and Hardik would have been a better attack and he would have played 5 pacers too but his 5th pacer in world cup was Harshal ( he was also coming back from Injury) ..had he played one Spinner and 4 regular Pacers and hardik as 6th bowler , we could have even beaten england.

only point which i found as a mistake by rohit was He used to ask bhuvi to bowl 2 overs with new ball and bring him back for 2 overs at the end and bhuvi was thrashed for 19 runs and 12 runs in 2 overs which he bowled at the end. even a kid is clear that bhuvi is a great fit when the ball swings or at least with the new ball. 

He had to ask arshdeep /hardik/shammi to bowl in the end. possibly dravid was guiding him to bring BHuvi at the end- which was a mistake.

I am sure playing karthik was not his decision which was a wrong decision as it is not wise to select a player for playing 10 balls. if they dont trust rishabh then they should have asked sanju samson to keep as he is a SOLID Batsman , he keeps and he scores runs fast. So frommy perspective they Should have picked rishabh Or samson Or Ishan Kishan. ishan has the right t20 attitude and if he was keeping OK , he should have been picked as rishabh is a failure in t20 since the start.

 

karthik lacks confidence and has failed so many times -many keepers have beaten him and played for INDIA, so playing him just bcos he did score some runs in IPL was not the correct decision.

 

Siraj and Arsh took 4 wickets each in last t20.  Probably Arshdeep was picked by him , that is proving to be right call.

having said all that as of today , He should retire himself from T20 bcos his fitness is not good enough for a t20 and may be a ODI too. bcos of his class , probably he can play in TESTS. if he is fit  then prithvi shaw was never unfit.

 

With this team reaching Semifinals and also topping the group was a good JOB. I never said or thought that this team will reach finals.

Rohit should captain India in tests and ODI( i trust that rohit will loose his belly fat and be fit to lead india in ODI and Tests.) 

even Kohli should play TESTS and ODI only ....t20 is an instinctive game where too much of batting technique is not required. advise to him is he should play for INDIA in tests and ODI as if he scores a 50 off 48 balls , still he wont be appreciated , he is supposed to play fast /high strike rate and score 50's and 100's...

he can meet the expectations well coming at no 3 in ODI and no 4 in TESTS. he should give quality innings and score big in his formats ( odi and tests)

 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 11/23/2022 at 9:15 PM, zen said:

Per the report below: Rohit informed by BCCI is he is no longer the T20 Captain. Sir Don to takeover: 

 

India’s NEW T20 Captain: Rohit Sharma ‘INFORMED’ about Hardik Pandya’s ‘FORTHCOMING elevation’ as NEW T20 Captain of India, BCCI official says ‘he is comfortable with the idea’: Follow LIVE Updates
 

Sir Don to be announced as captain before the SL series!

good decision as probably rohit can focus on tests and ODI's..captaining in all 3 formats is not possible now a days as india are playing back to back series.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 11/23/2022 at 2:27 PM, express bowling said:

 

World Cup 2023 ....

 

Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahul, Pant, Hardik, Jadeja, Bumrah, Shami, Chahal are fixed.  Bhuvi will make a comeback if he becomes SRH captain.

 

That is your 11.

 

IPL Captains and IPL.big names will be never removed. They will have a tough time getting SKY in.

 

Target is probably somehow reaching SF.  If even that is not achieved, who cares apart from unwanted fans like us.  

 

We are fools and will keep watching this commercial **** show.

ARSHdeep, Bumrah , Siraj are Fixed among Pacers . Shammi may also sneak in though not sure and may be Prasidh if he is in his form  Or ( Umran or Kuldeep Sen)

Kohli , Rohit ,Hardik and Jadeja are Fixed. 

Among Spinners probably Chahal is fixed.

 

I read that Dhawan could be asked to retire soon. i think Prithvi Or Gill will replace him in the world cup team.

All others will need to play well and probably prove their form. 

[express bowling]

10 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

ARSHdeep, Bumrah , Siraj are Fixed among Pacers . Shammi may also sneak in though not sure and may be Prasidh if he is in his form  Or ( Umran or Kuldeep Sen)

Kohli , Rohit ,Hardik and Jadeja are Fixed. 

Among Spinners probably Chahal is fixed.

 

I read that Dhawan could be asked to retire soon. i think Prithvi Or Gill will replace him in the world cup team.

All others will need to play well and probably prove their form. 

 

 

 

Arshdeep is not fixed for ODIs by a long shot.

 

He is yet to bowl a ball in ODIs brother ( till 24th November  )

 

 

 

 

[Pollack]

On 11/24/2022 at 1:57 AM, Vijy said:

1st round exit on the cards

Unlike 2011 now every team's key players have played enough cricket in Indian conditions and are quite acclimatized due to IPL. Unless we dish out spinning tracks in world cup there is no home advantage for India due to IPL.

[vishalvirsingh]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Arshdeep is not fixed for ODIs by a long shot.

 

He is yet to bowl a ball in ODIs brother ( till 24th November  )

 

 

 

 

you are correct but He will succeed now as he was a success in the world cup. kind of sure about his exploits in ODI.

i need to see how umran does.

[vishalvirsingh]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Arshdeep is not fixed for ODIs by a long shot.

 

He is yet to bowl a ball in ODIs brother ( till 24th November  )

 

 

 

 

Arsh has bowled the first over. NOtice the amount of confidence given to him.

 

he is being backed a lot. so much of backing will make him improve like anything, he is not trying to just bowl but use the new ball and get wickets. he is not trying to stop runs but take wickets. he is definitely playing in the 2023 odi world cup. he swings regularly...bowls 133 to 141K

[coffee_rules]

11 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Arsh has bowled the first over. NOtice the amount of confidence given to him.

 

he is being backed a lot. so much of backing will make him improve like anything, he is not trying to just bowl but use the new ball and get wickets. he is not trying to stop runs but take wickets. he is definitely playing in the 2023 odi world cup. he swings regularly...bowls 133 to 141K

Arshadeep T20s and ODIs are not the same. WC in India, he will be a backup only. Will be cannon fodder in ODIs