You need bowlers who can bat batsmen who can bowl - Laxman

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Pollack said:

I agree with Luxman. But that should be 2nd stage of transformation.

 

First he needs to find few batsmen who can bat and few bowlers who can bowl in LOI format.

 

But i don't think we need a step by step process here. Just pick a versatile side from the outset to deal with different conditions, different match ups instead of picking a one-dimensional side and when they fail in their main department they become an useless entity with no energy on the field. 

[Grand_Design]

Too much guesswork in this day and age. Just hire Cricviz' Freddie Wilde to help construct the right T20 squad instead of talking vague platitudes. 

 

 

[Vilander]

It would help as batsmen and bowlers can take more risks. But in indias case the primary batsmen and bowlers need change in personnel that’s more urgent and more basal problem.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Vilander

[vvvslaxman]

Come up with overall utility score for each player and select based on that. Don't blind go by orange cup,  purple cap forgetting their other area of weaknesses.  just because Chahal is a specialist bowler can't bat or field t o save his life that doesn't mean Henrick klassen is going to respect his bowling. If you are an extraordinarily pathetic fielder, your bowling has to be extraordinary to cover for it. Someone like Rashid khan. Sadly that is not the case 

 

Rashid khan as a bowler >> Chahal 

 as a fielder >> chahal

as a batsman >> Chahal

[jf1gp_1]

Lets look at WC. The only game we needed our bowlers to bat was against SA. Incidentally that was the only game where we had an extra batsman Hooda. Even in Semis, Pant the batsman got handful of deliveries. Our problem isnt number of batsmen or bowlers, our problem always has been safety first approach. 

 

Deepak Chahar, Sundar lead by Pandya. These 3 will give whatever balance our side needs. What we need are two tearaway fast bowler and 2 spinners who can spin the ball. Who was the last India spinner who consistently beat batsmen with his turn ? 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Lets look at WC. The only game we needed our bowlers to bat was against SA. Incidentally that was the only game where we had an extra batsman Hooda. Even in Semis, Pant the batsman got handful of deliveries. Our problem isnt number of batsmen or bowlers, our problem always has been safety first approach. 

 

Deepak Chahar, Sundar lead by Pandya. These 3 will give whatever balance our side needs. What we need are two tearaway fast bowler and 2 spinners who can spin the ball. Who was the last India spinner who consistently beat batsmen with his turn ? 

 

Safety first approach stems from the fear of collapse as bottom line  up can't put together a partnership at decent clip which is kinda true. ANy time India loses 5 wickets that is pretty much it. India' rarely adds anything after that especially with no Jadeja.

[jf1gp_1]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Safety first approach stems from the fear of collapse as bottom line  up can't put together a partnership at decent clip which is kinda true. ANy time India loses 5 wickets that is pretty much it. India' rarely adds anything after that especially with no Jadeja.

120 balls, 6 batsmen which is 20 delivers on an avg. all you need is a reliable no 7 who can support batsman on other end. Anything beyond that is over kill. 

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

120 balls, 6 batsmen which is 20 delivers on an avg. all you need is a reliable no 7 who can support batsman on other end. Anything beyond that is over kill. 

 

In T20 collapses far more frequent than you think.  Especially in ICC events.  You are talking about a perfect scenario  where always first 7 batsmen score runs. In the last world T20. We were like 67/4 in 14 overs  99/7 in 19 overs. Last over we added 11 runs. So basically for the last 3 wickets we added  43 runs in 6 overs.

[jf1gp_1]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

In T20 collapses far more frequent than you think.  Especially in ICC events.  You are talking about a perfect scenario  where always first 7 batsmen score runs. In the last world T20. We were like 67/4 in 14 overs  99/7 in 19 overs. Last over we added 11 runs. So basically for the last 3 wickets we added  43 runs in 6 overs.

Here is how i see it, part time bowlers no longer have space in t20. They will get hammered. You need genuine allrounders like hardik and Sundar, there is no place for Hooda the bowler who will get tonked. Sure guys like deepak are plus but his first job is to get wicket upfront. If he cant do it then dont play him. Now i am certainly not saying we dont need batsmen who can bowl or bowlers who can bat, if we have those options fantastic for us but all is nice to have as long. To win WC we need 5 batsmen and 4 bowler -  made for  t20. remaining 2 slots you can put whatever you want based on condition. 

[vvvslaxman]

25 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Here is how i see it, part time bowlers no longer have space in t20. They will get hammered. You need genuine allrounders like hardik and Sundar, there is no place for Hooda the bowler who will get tonked. Sure guys like deepak are plus but his first job is to get wicket upfront. If he cant do it then dont play him. Now i am certainly not saying we dont need batsmen who can bowl or bowlers who can bat, if we have those options fantastic for us but all is nice to have as long. To win WC we need 5 batsmen and 4 bowler -  made for  t20. remaining 2 slots you can put whatever you want based on condition. 

 

Hooda's ER in T20I is 5.33  in ODI it is 4.76.  LIvingstone/Maxwell/Markram are not exactly full time spinners. They are part timers.  Anyway Bhuvi's first job is also to take wickets up front. He doesn't take many even in helpful conditions.  If both bowlers don't take wickets you would rather go with a bowler who can bat. As i said unless the bowler is extraordinary there is no excuse to be a poor batsman and fielder. If you are going to succeed only 50% of the time then you are no special. If the bowler is good like Rashid khan/Adil Rashid then it is fine. Incidentally both can bat and decently field.  In T20 with relatively newish ball right through the match , on flat pitches every bowler is hittable. If you have 6 or 7 bowlers. You can mix and match get a few cheap overs like England frequently gets out of Livingstone.Versatile bowling unit can adapt better to the conditions. You need 6 bowlers bare minimum. If 5 of them can't bat and 5 of them can't bowl you are walking on a tight rope. No room for slip ups. 

[nevada]

23 hours ago, raki05 said:

Wow laxu bhai has been enlightened, now he will play bhukhi and purple saying they both can bat.

That's the whole point!