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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

On Australia bigger grounds it would have worked. Ashwin not even in IPl could bag wickets. Has one of the worst strike rate.  Today his bowling certainly worked

 

Ashwin was played as AR. You have to consider whole package. Even in IPL he played many important innings.

 

Bigger grounds don't mean much. Batsmen can clear every boundary.I'd have liked Bishnoi because he bowls quicker which is what other leggies who worked do too.

 

Defending 190 is lot different to defending 160. Today even Hooda picked wickets and Bhuvi struck early too.All because of scoreboard pressure.

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4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Ashwin was played as AR. You have to consider whole package. Even in IPL he played many important innings.

 

Bigger grounds don't mean much. Batsmen can clear every boundary.I'd have liked Bishnoi because he bowls quicker which is what other leggies who worked do too.

 

Defending 190 is lot different to defending 160. Today even Hooda picked wickets and Bhuvi struck early too.All because of scoreboard pressure.

 

 Both played for the same IPL team. Chahal had more wickets than Ashwin comfortably.  I understand the point about all round skill. But problem for India was in non-swinging conditions      India had zero bowler to take wickets in the middle phase.. Since they backed this bozo they should have had the balls to play him. Axar was largely useless doing almost nothing.

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

 Both played for the same IPL team. Chahal had more wickets than Ashwin comfortably.  I understand the point about all round skill. But problem for India was in non-swinging conditions      India had zero bowler to have some kind of wicket taking bowlers. Since they backed this bozo they should have had the balls to play him. Axar was largely useless doing almost nothing.

 

if we consider IPL stats, DK should have been our best bat. IPL stats should be used to an extent of selection to team. After that its what you do for India.

 

Ashwin was bit better than Chahal in runup to the games and Axar was good too.

 

With Jaddu gone they needed batting as you can't have Hooda at 7 and Bhuvi at 8. Chahal could've come in only if Arshdeep was replaced by Harshal.

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Just now, Lord said:

 

if we consider IPL stats, DK should have been our best bat. IPL stats should be used to an extent of selection to team. After that its what you do for India.

 

Ashwin was bit better than Chahal in runup to the games and Axar was good too.

 

With Jaddu gone they needed batting as you can't have Hooda at 7 and Bhuvi at 8. Chahal could've come in only if Arshdeep was replaced by Harshal.

 

Ashwin's T20 career ended in 2016. That's it. He came in due to his batting in the IPL not bowling. But his batting was hardly ever used. Never used him against spin. He did put up a finishing touch couple of times. That's about it.  Axar didn't even do that. Axar was also played for his occasional cameos against minnow level bowling.  They made a compromise to back these two, two of the worst spinner combo in super 12.

 

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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Ashwin's T20 career ended in 2016. That's it. He came in due to his batting in the IPL not bowling. But his batting was hardly ever used. Never used him against spin. He did put up a finishing touch couple of times. That's about it.  Axar didn't even do that. Axar was also played for his occasional cameos against minnow level bowling.  They made a compromise to back these two, two of the worst spinner combo in super 12.

 

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No denying they were poor compared to other teams.

 

But how does it make Chahal a case? That'd been a case with Chahal too. Its just hindsight which makes the player on bench look better than he is. Nobody wanted Chahal ahead of Pak game or even SA game.

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11 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

No denying they were poor compared to other teams.

 

But how does it make Chahal a case? That'd been a case with Chahal too. Its just hindsight which makes the player on bench look better than he is. Nobody wanted Chahal ahead of Pak game or even SA game.

 

Odds are much higher given his career record as well. Axar never proved anything in SENA. A huge risk.  Ashwin has not anything either in shorter formats like T20. I know it is in hindsight. But when all metrics point wristies are a must they should have gambled. Even in T20 world ranking it is pretty much wristies dominating. It is a known factor. Finger spinners have no real role unless they are like Maxwell.  If not Chahal,  Bishnoi or Kuldeep. Since they preferred Chahal, they should have played him.

 

https://www.cricviz.com/the-three-metrics-that-will-define-the-world-cup/

 

This was before world T20

 

3) Finger Spin Overs Bowled 

 

The importance of pace and wrist spin and the struggles of finger spinners mean that teams who rely on finger spin may struggle more than those who don’t. 

 

All major teams have wrist spinners but notably some teams rely on finger spinners, particularly finger spin all rounders, for overs. For example, Pakistan might select a team that has left-arm spinner Mohammad Nawaz as their fifth bowler and off spinner Iftikhar Ahmed as the sixth bowler providing cover. This kind of bowling balance could be exposed in Australian conditions where finger spinners are notably less effective.

 

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2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Ashwin is how ineffective he looked against all teams. Even Raza looked more potent spinner than this guy.

 

Bhajji was great atleast few of the matches.

 

Even in IPL he went defensive. He is nearing retirement. Not as potent as he was in 2016. Everything points to covering the inept batting of Rohit/Rahul.

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6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

While we are at it we should do away with Jaddu as well in T20. He is almost 33. He can focus on Tests. No more oldies. 

 

 

 

 

he'll be back as we are already finding hard to balance the side at 7 lol.

 

Unless we go for someone like Venky or Tewatia.

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Ashwin is how ineffective he looked against all teams. Even Raza looked more potent spinner than this guy.

 

Bhajji was great atleast few of the matches.

 

He'd not have played if Sundar was available. Ashwin was a backup plan.

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4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

he'll be back as we are already finding hard to balance the side at 7 lol.

 

Unless we go for someone like Venky or Tewatia.

 

No need of him. INdia can use Thakur, Chahar, Hooda to fill up the role. He can still play ODIs and Tests. He is absolutely not necessary for T20. Only advantage is fielding. But him missing half the time, let him focus on longer formats which is where he has evolved big time as a batsman.

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

No need of him. INdia can use Thakur, Chahar, Hooda to fill up the role. He can still play ODIs and Tests. He is absolutely not necessary for T20. Only advantage is fielding. But him missing half the time, let him focus on longer formats which is where he has evolved big time as a batsman.

not sure of anyone of those at 7 though. Maybe Hooda but only if he improves vs pace.

 

They should really give Venky a second go. No reason why he can't play..

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2 minutes ago, Sandz said:

Sundar is a lollipop bowler as of now, needs to improve a lot to be considered an all rounder in white ball cricket, his bowling is below Jadeja level, and Jadega outside of India is a lollipop bowler himself.

 

Sundar is still a classical reaction batsman. He can't manufacture shots to be considered as an all rounder. All finger spinners will be liabilities in T20. You might as well go with guys like Hooda, Tewatia. 

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1 minute ago, Lord said:

not sure of anyone of those at 7 though. Maybe Hooda but only if he improves vs pace.

 

They should really give Venky a second go. No reason why he can't play..

 

High time we get rid of all these 2007,08,09 batch palyers .Kohli may be the last man standing. They have achieved nothing in world T20. Jadeja has one  of the worst record in ICC events of world T20. Let us start fresh.

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

High time we get rid of all these 2007,08,09 batch palyers .Kohli may be the last man standing. They have achieved nothing in world T20. Jadeja has one  of the worst record in ICC events of world T20. Let us start fresh.

agree. But I'm saying it won't be done lol how much ever we want. Rohit will stay too as will Bhuvi,Rahul

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56 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

High time we get rid of all these 2007,08,09 batch palyers .Kohli may be the last man standing. They have achieved nothing in world T20. Jadeja has one  of the worst record in ICC events of world T20. Let us start fresh.

Fraudeja in LOI has been average. He should pay pension to MS Dhoni after retirement for allowing him to make a long cherished career when he finally started performing in one format tests.

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20 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Fraudeja in LOI has been average. He should pay pension to MS Dhoni after retirement for allowing him to make a long cherished career when he finally started performing in one format tests.

 

He has other distractions like campaigning for his wife. He should be restricted to ODI and Test for a while then just Tests before phasing out. 

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On 11/20/2022 at 10:25 AM, Lord said:

 

He'd not have played if Sundar was available. Ashwin was a backup plan.

I don't think Sundar is great either.He is complete misfit in t20s.He cannot hit even if his life is dependent on one shot.He should improve his batting and try to become a test player.

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