2023 World Cup line up as of now

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Pruning the size of probable members to be tested is  a must now for WC23. We have only 8-9 months and at most not more 28 matches . out of this, last 3 months would have to be used for probable 15 players shortlisted , hence  for every department needs filtering and focusing on best of the few. 

So most probably we have around 20 matches for finalizing  final 15 , that may mean 2 younger players in each department need to picked in a single match - 

Say Siraj & Sen in one match ,  Prasidh & Umran  in another match, so that each of the prospect will get around 15-20 matches before WC. Similarly in Opening, All rounders ,spinners , all rounders .

Pace bowling - 3 slots to fill

Test below - 

Siraj

Prasidh

Umran

Sen 

 

Middle Order -  5 slots to fill

SKY

Samson

Pant

KL 

Iyer

Patidar (wild card)

 

Opening - 1 slot to fill

Gill 

Shaw

 

Spin allrounders - 1 slot to fill

 

Washington 

Shahbaz 

 

Spinners  - 2 slots to fill

Kuldeep Yadav

Rahul Chahar

Bishnoi

Axar Patel 

 

Pace all rounders - 1 slot to fill 

Deepak Chahar

Shardul Thakur

 

these PLUS VK,Hardik (ROhit, Dhwan , Jaddu - not required but will be selected by default) should make 18 list.  Does not mean these will do miracle , result could be even KO before Semi. 

 

Will be surprised to see anyone beyond this make it to probable list , if done

1) he must do really really good in next 6 months , that is the only window i see . 

2) Selectors see something which most others have not seen in a player

3)  If the above probables are not given chances but mostly  oldies play in bi laterals , will confirm selection is dominated by IPL teams mafia, Media Sponsors mafia , Player & PR mafia and pressure from  BCCI TOP level   

 

 

 

Agree.

 

And it is very important to leave out Bhuvi, Harshal, Shami, Ashwin, Chahal and Dhawan.

 

Dhawan can be the weak link to be left out among batting seniors. No way will we win with 3 oldies at the top ... because the aggressive spirit will be missing. Atleast cut it down to 2, with Gill coming in.

Edited November 25, 2022 by express bowling

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Agree.

 

And it is very important to leave out Bhuvi, Harshal, Shami, Ashwin, Chahal and Dhawan.

 

Dhawan can be the weak link to be left out among batting seniors. No way will we win with 3 oldies at the top ... because the aggressive spirit will be missing. Atleast cut it down to 2, with Gill coming in.

don't want dhawan, rohit, oldies, but I don't want gill either - this lad has already mastered the "art" of selfish tuk-tuking as we saw today.

[spiritb2]

@prasen82 Y'all trying to drop Rohit Sharma is committing pure suicide. He is a beast unleashed in Sub continent  + last time he played WC scored 5 centuries remember that. Bawa & Sen not even tested we have only less than a year to prepare. Bowling is our weak link We need a surprise element an X factor in spinning/pace department a mystery spinner/good death bowler. Hopefully we'll find someone in IPL'23

[prudent_kreeda]

58 minutes ago, spiritb2 said:

@prasen82 Y'all trying to drop Rohit Sharma is committing pure suicide. He is a beast unleashed in Sub continent  + last time he played WC scored 5 centuries remember that. Bawa & Sen not even tested we have only less than a year to prepare. Bowling is our weak link We need a surprise element an X factor in spinning/pace department a mystery spinner/good death bowler. Hopefully we'll find someone in IPL'23

To protect novelty of mystery - 

1. we should not expose such bowlers much , but in Indian history we do not dare to keep our weapon secret , will play them in all IPL and all the matches till WC.  This is our history of selection. 

2. We do not have any good mystery spinner on the horizon. 

 

All back to square one in WC23 . 

Wahee thake huve pacers playing since 2014 and wahee gheesa peeta Chahal , Kuldeep, Jaddu . 

Results will also be on similar lines as very little opposition  planning required by opposition batters and TM . They already have foolprrof plans against them which has been tested all these years including world cups.

[prudent_kreeda]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

don't want dhawan, rohit, oldies, but I don't want gill either - this lad has already mastered the "art" of selfish tuk-tuking as we saw today.

 Re: Gill - This is too far fetched . One can agree about slow batting for T20s but not  for 50 overs . Guy has played just 13 matches , has a strike rate of 100 and most of matches outside india . If weak opposition is the argument then that should apply to the most preferred opener Dhawan too who has SR of 70+ this year most of them are from same matches .

WE will revisit this comment on Gill again 1 year from NOW . 

[express bowling]

12 hours ago, Vijy said:

don't want dhawan, rohit, oldies, but I don't want gill either - this lad has already mastered the "art" of selfish tuk-tuking as we saw today.

 

Gill has played quickly in most ODIs.

 

In the last match, the ball was stopping and coming for the first 30 overs or so, and that could be the reason for slow innings. The pitch became more even paced during the last 70 overs or so. Probably the effect of rain the day before. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by express bowling

[spiritb2]

30 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

To protect novelty of mystery - 

1. we should not expose such bowlers much , but in Indian history we do not dare to keep our weapon secret , will play them in all IPL and all the matches till WC.  This is our history of selection. 

2. We do not have any good mystery spinner on the horizon. 

 

All back to square one in WC23 . 

Wahee thake huve pacers playing since 2014 and wahee gheesa peeta Chahal , Kuldeep, Jaddu . 

Results will also be on similar lines as very little opposition  planning required by opposition batters and TM . They already have foolprrof plans against them which has been tested all these years including world cups.

 

I hope Natarajan comes back to his form and fitness in this IPL. He can fill up the left arm pacer role with good death bowling skill, I feel arshdeep singh is getting rushed into all formats.

Edited November 26, 2022 by spiritb2

[RameshPowar]

Considering the think tank/David's lust for experience, can expect this kind of squad. Which means another semi final exit.

 

Shikhar Dhawan 

Rohit Sharma (C)

Virat Kohli

Shreyas Iyer/KL

Rishab Pant (WK)

Hardik Pandaya

Ravindra Jadeja

Ravi Ashwin/ Chahal

Bhuvneshwar Kumar

Shami/Arshdeep/Prasidh

Jasprit Bumrah

Edited November 26, 2022 by RameshPowar

[prudent_kreeda]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill has played quickly in most ODIs.

 

In the last match, the ball was stopping and coming for thd first 30 overs or so, snd that could be the reason for dliw innings. The pitch became more even paced during the last 70 overs or so. Probably the effect of rain the day before. 

Another reason i see is the fear of failure just ahead of WC23  and insecurity attached with it . Felt that way in the case of Umran, Samson & Gill  yesterday. These guys desperately want to get selected and any failure for 2-3 games, they will be dropped and one does not know when they will be recalled . Someone needs to 

assure at least some of them that they will play for next 7-8 games irrespective of the failure in that period.

[cricketfan28]

With seniors semi final minimum, without seniors early exit.

[Majestic]

32 minutes ago, RameshPowar said:

Considering the think tank/David's lust for experience, can expect this kind of squad. Which means another semi final exit.

 

Shikhar Dhawan 

Rohit Sharma (C)

Virat Kohli

Shreyas Iyer/KL

Rishab Pant (WK)

Hardik Pandaya

Ravindra Jadeja

Ravi Ashwin/ Chahal

Bhuvneshwar Kumar

Shami/Arshdeep/Prasidh

Jasprit Bumrah

It will be this only except Siraj would be there instead of Bhuvi. If any injury then Prasidh comes into picture. Rest will be this only.

 

Samson and SKY will sit out.

[zen]

1 hour ago, cricketfan28 said:

With seniors semi final minimum, without seniors early exit.

If there is such an option, I guess, folks would prefer to not make it to SF with a younger team than in SF with outdated players (an outcome that achieves nothing for Ind in the long run).

 

[zen]

Difficult to win a tournament with Rohit as captain … Need a miracle! 
 

[RameshPowar]

11 hours ago, zen said:

Difficult to win a tournament with Rohit as captain … Need a miracle! 
 

Wasn't Rohit considered a lucky charm for winning 5 IPL Trophies, nindahas cup and Asia cup 2018. After these achievements he was tipped to win a ICC tournament, unlike kohli who was considered panuti xD.  

[zen]

4 minutes ago, RameshPowar said:

Wasn't Rohit considered a lucky charm for winning 5 IPL Trophies, nindahas cup and Asia cup 2018. After these achievements he was tipped to win a ICC tournament, unlike kohli who was considered panuti xD.  

 

Mostly by his fans, many of whom are here too. 

 

 

 

[Vijy]

21 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 Re: Gill - This is too far fetched . One can agree about slow batting for T20s but not  for 50 overs . Guy has played just 13 matches , has a strike rate of 100 and most of matches outside india . If weak opposition is the argument then that should apply to the most preferred opener Dhawan too who has SR of 70+ this year most of them are from same matches .

WE will revisit this comment on Gill again 1 year from NOW . 

I don't want dhawan there either. I would prefer gill over him, but only if he scores briskly against good opposition, i.e., not WI, Zim, etc.

 

as you wrote, let's revisit this comment in a year. hopefully he will not be a tuk-tuker

[Vijy]

My preferred XI only for home conditions of 2023 WC although it will never happen:

 

1. Gill [not happy with his tendency to tuk-tuk though]

2. Pant/SKY

3. Brat for now [if out of form, replace with someone else like Iyer]

4. Shreyas/KL

5. Sundar

6. SKY/Samson

7. Pandu

8. Axar/Jaddu/Shahbaz

9. Boomrah

10. Prasidh

11. siraj/kuldeep sen/kuldeep yadav

 

this lineup checks many of the boxes that I deem necessary:

a. 1 consolidator + 1 out-and-out aggressive batter in the opening

b. no. 3 is a consolidator, but can be moved down the order if quick runs are needed

c. middle order of nos. 4-7 can play spin well (in general), can adjust tempo as per situation

d. batting till 8, with even no. 9 not a complete mug with the bat

e. 3 genuine quicks in boom, prasidh and siraj/sen

f. 6 genuine bowling options + part-timer in Iyer

 

@express bowling @SRT100 thoughts?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Vijy

[Nash]

People are selecting Rohit, dhawan, kohli and Rahul. these are good players but they dont add any value to bowling.  If they fail with batting, they are just useless. Usually Rahul and Rohit get out after five over and they are not adding anything until another 95 overs.

 

As 2023 will be in India and SC pitches helps spinners more than paces, I would say that we should have as much part time spinners as possible in team. I would give below team a good six month before world cup.

 

V Iyer ( bat + bowl)

Hooda ( bat + bowl)

Kohli ( captain)

Surya ( VC)

Sanju/Pant

Hardik ( pace allrounder)

jadeda ( spin all rounder)

Sunder / thakur/ chahar ( depending on situation)

one main spinner ( k yadav or y Chahal or ravi )

bumrah

another fast bowler ( siraj / arshdeep/shami)

 

Bumrah + anotehr fast bowler = 20 overs

hardik + hooda + iyer = 10 over

main spinner = 10 over

jadeda + another = 10 over

 

you have total 8 bowling options.

batting is deep until 8. 

 

 

[AKane]

On 11/19/2022 at 9:52 PM, Number said:

Rohit : captain + because he did well in last ODI wc

Dhawan : because he has a great record in icc tournament

Kohli : no comments

Rahul : because he is our next captain

pant : wk

pandya : only AR

jadeja : spinner with good batting at no. 7

Ashwin : Experience needed for big tournament + batting depth

Chahal : only leggie in the country

Shami : Experience needed for big tournaments 

Bhuvi : more experience needed for big tournaments 

 

 

 

This is a very well thought out squad. Maybe it is not who the man on the street wants but it is who the selectors in the ivory tower will select.

[spiritb2]

5 hours ago, Nash said:

People are selecting Rohit, dhawan, kohli and Rahul. these are good players but they dont add any value to bowling.  If they fail with batting, they are just useless. Usually Rahul and Rohit get out after five over and they are not adding anything until another 95 overs.

 

As 2023 will be in India and SC pitches helps spinners more than paces, I would say that we should have as much part time spinners as possible in team. I would give below team a good six month before world cup.

 

V Iyer ( bat + bowl)

Hooda ( bat + bowl)

Kohli ( captain)

Surya ( VC)

Sanju/Pant

Hardik ( pace allrounder)

jadeda ( spin all rounder)

Sunder / thakur/ chahar ( depending on situation)

one main spinner ( k yadav or y Chahal or ravi )

bumrah

another fast bowler ( siraj / arshdeep/shami)

 

Bumrah + anotehr fast bowler = 20 overs

hardik + hooda + iyer = 10 over

main spinner = 10 over

jadeda + another = 10 over

 

you have total 8 bowling options.

batting is deep until 8. 

 

 

 

 

In this line-up the only thing missing is ODI's experience. 6 Months will not given them situational awareness & experience. May be a dream team.

 

V Iyer - Out of form

Hooda - Betting big, 0 experience 

Kohli - (Ousted Captain, Will not be back again as Captain EGO issue)

Surya - 0 experience in ODI

Sanju(Too many opportunities provided[finisher role] with no aggressive batting shown Yet for India)/Pant (No one knows what he will do; He may win you a match or make you lose one)

Sunder - 0 experience in ODI

Bumrah - he may not feel well after IPL'23

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by spiritb2