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5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Kishan should be there just for his body language. He got hit on his arm. Next ball a violent thrash through mid wicket.  If prithvi shaw is available and ready he and Kishan should open. Both ultra positive. We should be ready for 0/2 and give them a run.

No risk cricket is their tag line when high risk cricket is the most popular format

And defensive sides have never won WCs,NZ are prime example (look million dollars only in front of us)

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5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Almost all openers struggled in helpful conditions in the world T20. Buttler looked clueless  against swing apart from putting away few boundaries. My problem is openers looking like timid cats even on flat pitches. I can excuse players having issues in bowler friendly conditions.

They are not sure about their ability at this age or one can say take too much time to acess the pitch and a very bad mindset of openers need to carry on and on if they set in wasting more and more deliveries ,Rohit is the main culprit here which is an age odl Mumbaiya ninja technique

And Kela doesn't belong in the first place

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8 hours ago, Lord said:

 

you want results in 2 games?

Pant and Iyer have been disappointing in past 1 year in T20s. They have consistently flopped and not shown any improvement.

 

Neither does Deepak Hooda or Ishan Kishan shows enough assurance that they can do well in this format or make a high impact. 

 

Only Suryakumar Yadav seems to be something really extraordinary and Pandya is having good days going in his peak years.

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20 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Pant and Iyer have been disappointing in past 1 year in T20s. They have consistently flopped and not shown any improvement.

 

Neither does Deepak Hooda or Ishan Kishan shows enough assurance that they can do well in this format or make a high impact. 

 

Only Suryakumar Yadav seems to be something really extraordinary and Pandya is having good days going in his peak years.

 

Iyer and Pant are not fit for T20s. Both are good only for ODIs. Having said that Iyer is not as bad as Pant, If anything Rohit has been pathetic, So is Kela. Only SKY, Kohli and Pandya to some extent did something this year. DK utter flop.

 

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10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Iyer and Pant are not fit for T20s. Both are good only for ODIs. Having said that Iyer is not as bad as Pant, If anything Rohit has been pathetic, So is Kela. Only SKY, Kohli and Pandya to some extent did something this year. DK utter flop.

 

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Purely looking at stats is not enough. Iyer has been backed in T20s like Pant but he clearly struggles to go past the 30 mark and able to change the course of the game by his batting.

 

He bashed spin but can't accelerate or switch gear vs pace which means he probably becomes useless after the 14-15 over mark. He does well vs Windies and SL but has clear issues against other type of bowling. He isn't able to accelerate as much as Kohli does in the final 5 overs and that's down to average game vs pace. Kohli at 3, SKY at 4 still looks better for India. 

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6 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

1.5 match series and future of Indian cricket in trouble ?

1.5 match?      S Iyer has played 50 T20s and has been a proven TTF outside the subcontinent.   Kishan has played 21 T20s and has looked scratchy all throughout.  Barely plays one decent knock in 10 innings.  Pant has played 68 T20s.  Has the worst batting stats in Indian T20 history, as a batsman.  Of course, I don't want players like Kela and Rohit back in the team.  But it's time for our TM to look elsewhere.  Get new faces in.   The 2024 T20WC is still a long way to go.  

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8 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

1.5 match?      S Iyer has played 50 T20s and has been a proven TTF outside the subcontinent.   Kishan has played 21 T20s and has looked scratchy all throughout.  Barely plays one decent knock in 10 innings.  Pant has played 68 T20s.  Has the worst batting stats in Indian T20 history, as a batsman.  Of course, I don't want players like Kela and Rohit back in the team.  But it's time for our TM to look elsewhere.  Get new faces in.   The 2024 T20WC is still a long way to go.  

we will still see kela, rohit, brat, maybe even dhawan in 2024. likewise, we will see trundler trio of ass-deep, boobi, and harsh-all

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35 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Purely looking at stats is not enough. Iyer has been backed in T20s like Pant but he clearly struggles to go past the 30 mark and able to change the course of the game by his batting.

 

He bashed spin but can't accelerate or switch gear vs pace which means he probably becomes useless after the 14-15 over mark. He does well vs Windies and SL but has clear issues against other type of bowling. He isn't able to accelerate as much as Kohli does in the final 5 overs and that's down to average game vs pace. Kohli at 3, SKY at 4 still looks better for India. 

 

Yes He is not a proper T20  player. So he may not be a regular there. But don't slight someone because they are better against spin. You think current Indian line up is good against spin? They are the worse than lot of domestic players. 7 overs 41 runs in a semi final against spin on a flat wicket. Will never forget how we botched it up. Apart from SKY On a good day everyone else sucks against spin when it comes to accelerating.  Gill is too slow for T20. Prithvi shaw is worth trying.  I don't mind them trying endlessly as long as they don't go back to world T20 chokers

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Problem lies in the understanding of modern day white-ball cricket of Indian selectors and BCCI admins.

 

It will be hard to find out and out power hitter because of cricketing culture and how the batters grow-up and taught to bat.

Hard hitters will be like Y.Pathan, S.Iyer, S.Dube who can bash spin but fail to counter any kind of pace let alone hitting them.

 

The need is to ask batters to be innovative like Surya- Add lap, sweep and if possible reverse and switch shots to their basic skill set. 

 

All the youngster lacks power and Innovation. You can check IPL-SR of any younger player apart from Shaw all are under 130s. 

PPL are now questioning Babar and Rizwan for their SR who have an avg for ~50, these younger players neither have SR nor the avrgs.

 

An understanding needs to develop between TM and selectors that T20 is entirely different format and u need T20 specialist (like player just groomed as Test specialist).

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Nash said:

Have you guys ever thought that our batting is not a problem but bowling is.  
 

let me tell you this.  Our opening struggle because the opposition bowling is very good.  Quality with high speed.  
Opposition opening are smacking out troundlers and giving us false hope of batting friendly pitch. 
 

 

just a thought. 

We still hit their pacers but couldnt score against their spinners.

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27 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Problem lies in the understanding of modern day white-ball cricket of Indian selectors and BCCI admins.

 

It will be hard to find out and out power hitter because of cricketing culture and how the batters grow-up and taught to bat.

Hard hitters will be like Y.Pathan, S.Iyer, S.Dube who can bash spin but fail to counter any kind of pace let alone hitting them.

 

The need is to ask batters to be innovative like Surya- Add lap, sweep and if possible reverse and switch shots to their basic skill set. 

 

All the youngster lacks power and Innovation. You can check IPL-SR of any younger player apart from Shaw all are under 130s. 

PPL are now questioning Babar and Rizwan for their SR who have an avg for ~50, these younger players neither have SR nor the avrgs.

 

An understanding needs to develop between TM and selectors that T20 is entirely different format and u need T20 specialist (like player just groomed as Test specialist).

 

 

 

 

 

Dinesh karthik had a strike rate of 183 in 2022 IPL.  He can take on pace. That didn't go well  because he is a mental midget. It is a lot more mental. Look at how nervously Rohit and Rahul batted against innocuous deliveries from Shaheen shah Afridi in the first match. KL played 2 maidens :facepalm:He can strike big.  Ability alone is not enough. Having the balls the execute under pressure is more important.  Surya is doing well not because he has 360 degree game. Because he has the balls to execute them. He doesn't look like a nervous ****  at the crease.

Isan Kishan used to be a very aggressive player consistently. In between he was either told or he himself decided, he became tuk tuk player. Recent SA series showed he is becoming aggressive himself .   Attitude is key.  Kishan is definitely a power hitter

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2fG8qAlbc

 

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4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Dinesh karthik had a strike rate of 183 in 2022 IPL.  He can take on pace. That didn't go well  because he is a mental midget. It is a lot more mental. Look at how nervously Rohit and Rahul batted against innocuous deliveries from Shaheen shah Afridi in the first match. KL played 2 maidens :facepalm:He can strike big.  Ability alone is not enough. Having the balls the execute under pressure is more important.  Surya is doing well not because he has 360 degree game. Because he has the balls to execute them. He doesn't look like a nervous ****  at the crease.

Isan Kishan used to be a very aggressive player consistently. In between he was either told or he himself decided, he became tuk tuk player. Recent SA series showed he is becoming aggressive himself .   Attitude is key.  Kishan is definitely a power hitter

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2fG8qAlbc

 

samson is another one who scores fast

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Patidar, Rinku singh, Jitesh sharma all these guys could have been tried in bilaterals. Pant doesn't deserve a spot with so many waiting in the wing. Iyer should have been restricted to playing ODI.

patidar should have already been tried for sure. not yet fully sold on rinku and jitesh

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52 minutes ago, thecricketer said:

Hope Kuldeep sen and Umran malik will open the bowling in ODIS against NZ

 

Kuldeep Sen is still in India playing VHT.  Match starts in less than 2 days.

 

They are probably planning to play 

 

Deepak

Arshderp

Shardul

 

Umran is practicing hard how to carry bottles really fast to the ground. 

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