Almost everything is wrong with Indian T20I team

[vvvslaxman]

20 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Pant and Iyer have been disappointing in past 1 year in T20s. They have consistently flopped and not shown any improvement.

 

Neither does Deepak Hooda or Ishan Kishan shows enough assurance that they can do well in this format or make a high impact. 

 

Only Suryakumar Yadav seems to be something really extraordinary and Pandya is having good days going in his peak years.

 

Iyer and Pant are not fit for T20s. Both are good only for ODIs. Having said that Iyer is not as bad as Pant, If anything Rohit has been pathetic, So is Kela. Only SKY, Kohli and Pandya to some extent did something this year. DK utter flop.

 

[vvvslaxman]

India has 2 years to go. We have IPL in between. This is just a starting point. We don't know how the line up will be in two years time. Who knows. Some new guy might emerge in the IPL.  Last year same time nobody remotely thought about Arshdeep.

[nitinbwj]

Problem is BCCI. Bishnoi, Umran are not given a longer rum in fact Umran is always made a tourist. As long as Bhuvi is selected, don't expect anything. 

[Majestic]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Iyer and Pant are not fit for T20s. Both are good only for ODIs. Having said that Iyer is not as bad as Pant, If anything Rohit has been pathetic, So is Kela. Only SKY, Kohli and Pandya to some extent did something this year. DK utter flop.

 

Purely looking at stats is not enough. Iyer has been backed in T20s like Pant but he clearly struggles to go past the 30 mark and able to change the course of the game by his batting.

 

He bashed spin but can't accelerate or switch gear vs pace which means he probably becomes useless after the 14-15 over mark. He does well vs Windies and SL but has clear issues against other type of bowling. He isn't able to accelerate as much as Kohli does in the final 5 overs and that's down to average game vs pace. Kohli at 3, SKY at 4 still looks better for India. 

[jf1gp_1]

1.5 match series and future of Indian cricket in trouble ?

[Frustrated]

6 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

1.5 match series and future of Indian cricket in trouble ?

1.5 match?      S Iyer has played 50 T20s and has been a proven TTF outside the subcontinent.   Kishan has played 21 T20s and has looked scratchy all throughout.  Barely plays one decent knock in 10 innings.  Pant has played 68 T20s.  Has the worst batting stats in Indian T20 history, as a batsman.  Of course, I don't want players like Kela and Rohit back in the team.  But it's time for our TM to look elsewhere.  Get new faces in.   The 2024 T20WC is still a long way to go.  

[Frustrated]

https://youtu.be/N-vShrf6faU

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

1.5 match?      S Iyer has played 50 T20s and has been a proven TTF outside the subcontinent.   Kishan has played 21 T20s and has looked scratchy all throughout.  Barely plays one decent knock in 10 innings.  Pant has played 68 T20s.  Has the worst batting stats in Indian T20 history, as a batsman.  Of course, I don't want players like Kela and Rohit back in the team.  But it's time for our TM to look elsewhere.  Get new faces in.   The 2024 T20WC is still a long way to go.  

we will still see kela, rohit, brat, maybe even dhawan in 2024. likewise, we will see trundler trio of ass-deep, boobi, and harsh-all

[vvvslaxman]

35 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Purely looking at stats is not enough. Iyer has been backed in T20s like Pant but he clearly struggles to go past the 30 mark and able to change the course of the game by his batting.

 

He bashed spin but can't accelerate or switch gear vs pace which means he probably becomes useless after the 14-15 over mark. He does well vs Windies and SL but has clear issues against other type of bowling. He isn't able to accelerate as much as Kohli does in the final 5 overs and that's down to average game vs pace. Kohli at 3, SKY at 4 still looks better for India. 

 

Yes He is not a proper T20  player. So he may not be a regular there. But don't slight someone because they are better against spin. You think current Indian line up is good against spin? They are the worse than lot of domestic players. 7 overs 41 runs in a semi final against spin on a flat wicket. Will never forget how we botched it up. Apart from SKY On a good day everyone else sucks against spin when it comes to accelerating.  Gill is too slow for T20. Prithvi shaw is worth trying.  I don't mind them trying endlessly as long as they don't go back to world T20 chokers

[tapandrun]

Problem lies in the understanding of modern day white-ball cricket of Indian selectors and BCCI admins.

 

It will be hard to find out and out power hitter because of cricketing culture and how the batters grow-up and taught to bat.

Hard hitters will be like Y.Pathan, S.Iyer, S.Dube who can bash spin but fail to counter any kind of pace let alone hitting them.

 

The need is to ask batters to be innovative like Surya- Add lap, sweep and if possible reverse and switch shots to their basic skill set. 

 

All the youngster lacks power and Innovation. You can check IPL-SR of any younger player apart from Shaw all are under 130s. 

PPL are now questioning Babar and Rizwan for their SR who have an avg for ~50, these younger players neither have SR nor the avrgs.

 

An understanding needs to develop between TM and selectors that T20 is entirely different format and u need T20 specialist (like player just groomed as Test specialist).

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

27 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Problem lies in the understanding of modern day white-ball cricket of Indian selectors and BCCI admins.

 

It will be hard to find out and out power hitter because of cricketing culture and how the batters grow-up and taught to bat.

Hard hitters will be like Y.Pathan, S.Iyer, S.Dube who can bash spin but fail to counter any kind of pace let alone hitting them.

 

The need is to ask batters to be innovative like Surya- Add lap, sweep and if possible reverse and switch shots to their basic skill set. 

 

All the youngster lacks power and Innovation. You can check IPL-SR of any younger player apart from Shaw all are under 130s. 

PPL are now questioning Babar and Rizwan for their SR who have an avg for ~50, these younger players neither have SR nor the avrgs.

 

An understanding needs to develop between TM and selectors that T20 is entirely different format and u need T20 specialist (like player just groomed as Test specialist).

 

 

 

 

 

Dinesh karthik had a strike rate of 183 in 2022 IPL.  He can take on pace. That didn't go well  because he is a mental midget. It is a lot more mental. Look at how nervously Rohit and Rahul batted against innocuous deliveries from Shaheen shah Afridi in the first match. KL played 2 maidens He can strike big.  Ability alone is not enough. Having the balls the execute under pressure is more important.  Surya is doing well not because he has 360 degree game. Because he has the balls to execute them. He doesn't look like a nervous ****  at the crease.

Isan Kishan used to be a very aggressive player consistently. In between he was either told or he himself decided, he became tuk tuk player. Recent SA series showed he is becoming aggressive himself .   Attitude is key.  Kishan is definitely a power hitter

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2fG8qAlbc

 

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Dinesh karthik had a strike rate of 183 in 2022 IPL.  He can take on pace. That didn't go well  because he is a mental midget. It is a lot more mental. Look at how nervously Rohit and Rahul batted against innocuous deliveries from Shaheen shah Afridi in the first match. KL played 2 maidens He can strike big.  Ability alone is not enough. Having the balls the execute under pressure is more important.  Surya is doing well not because he has 360 degree game. Because he has the balls to execute them. He doesn't look like a nervous ****  at the crease.

Isan Kishan used to be a very aggressive player consistently. In between he was either told or he himself decided, he became tuk tuk player. Recent SA series showed he is becoming aggressive himself .   Attitude is key.  Kishan is definitely a power hitter

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2fG8qAlbc

 

samson is another one who scores fast

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

samson is another one who scores fast

 

Patidar, Rinku singh, Jitesh sharma all these guys could have been tried in bilaterals. Pant doesn't deserve a spot with so many waiting in the wing. Iyer should have been restricted to playing ODI.

[Vijy]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Patidar, Rinku singh, Jitesh sharma all these guys could have been tried in bilaterals. Pant doesn't deserve a spot with so many waiting in the wing. Iyer should have been restricted to playing ODI.

patidar should have already been tried for sure. not yet fully sold on rinku and jitesh

[thecricketer]

Hope Kuldeep sen and Umran malik will open the bowling in ODIS against NZ

[express bowling]

52 minutes ago, thecricketer said:

Hope Kuldeep sen and Umran malik will open the bowling in ODIS against NZ

 

Kuldeep Sen is still in India playing VHT.  Match starts in less than 2 days.

 

They are probably planning to play 

 

Deepak

Arshderp

Shardul

 

Umran is practicing hard how to carry bottles really fast to the ground. 

[nevada]

5 hours ago, Suhaan said:

No risk cricket is their tag line when high risk cricket is the most popular format

And defensive sides have never won WCs,NZ are prime example (look million dollars only in front of us)

This timid mindset defeats the very purpose of T20! It's only 20 overs, and preserving wickets till the start of the 18th over is silly. Only SKY is true to the spirit of T20 and is always busy scoring runs. And even he tightens up in big games as he knows the onus is on him to carry the team. If he had one more free scoring batsman for support, he wouldn't feel as much pressure.

[singhvivek141]

This is what exactly I was worried, a couple of failures and then again the youngsters will be back under scrutiny.
In compariso, the RRK alliance will keep on getting a free pass for the whole tournament just coz they had a glorious past.

Again, we shouldn't fit Pant and Kishan together, only one of them shall play as they both are similar pattern batters (block or bang bang with no middle ground) hence only suitable at the top, plus they both are keepers so one should be suffice. We need a Prithvi Shaw, a Gill type batter with them who is right handed and can score as a brisk pace exploring the other dimensions. We'll know that Kishan and Pant are aggressive batters who like to hit ball in the air, however as constant criticism has led Pant to curb his instincts down, who know maybe the same situation is happening now with Ishan kishan as well, considering our bowling weaknesses is now known by every team.

Hooda is trying from his end but somehow he's finding the fielders, but still he is someone who can be used as a floater, maybe play him for 5-10 matches consistently and see where he fits properly. Unlike Shreyas Iyer he doesn't have any glaring weakness against short ball so can still be used as an spin basher while managing decently against pace. SKY need support from other batters and this constant chopping and changing isn't gonna help here. With Pandya and a susceptible back, you need an additional bowling option who can cover him during the match.

Biggest issues are in our bowling, we are playing with a at best 2 over "spearhead"...Arshdeep will have his off days, while our spin option is lolworthy. The day we will have a strong bowling attack, it will give our batters freedom to play the way they like.

Edited November 23, 2022 by singhvivek141

[tapandrun]

Agree with weak mindset theory bt new gen. Ind players lacks what it needs to be good T20 players thats why they have to pick DK (a semi retired player).

 

Younger player do not have power or innovative game. All these are captains of their IPL teams where they can dictate how they want to play.

So then there has to be something to do with themselves not able to play modern style white ball cricket.

 

Situation of Bowling is brought upon by TM and selectors themselves, there are so many high pace bowler in India right now that they can lent to other teams but TM has their life stuck to Bhuvi. If better senses prevail then bowling can be sorted in seconds. 

 

There seems to be no white ball batter in younger player.

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by tapandrun

[Lord]

13 hours ago, Majestic said:

Pant and Iyer have been disappointing in past 1 year in T20s. They have consistently flopped and not shown any improvement.

 

Neither does Deepak Hooda or Ishan Kishan shows enough assurance that they can do well in this format or make a high impact. 

 

Only Suryakumar Yadav seems to be something really extraordinary and Pandya is having good days going in his peak years.

 

Pant has not got a fixed position in continous games. Here he opened after playing in MO in WC. Let him open a few games and then decide.

 

Kishan has done okay in opportunities he got. 

 

There are still guys like Samson,Shaw etc who are still waiting for their chance.

 

These 2 games can't justify continuous backing of seniors