Frustrated Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Norman said: How many of Gill, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur , Nattu etc played in NZ when we lost 2-0? You are making absolutely no sense at this point. Among the players u hv mentioned, lets analyse one by one. Starting with Gill. He has played about 25 test innings. Has been absolutely trash everywhere except in Aus where he played 1 or 2 decent knocks. Even on flat pitches of Eng, he barely survived 10 balls (July 2022 test) in both innings. Regarding Nattu, LOL. He is a t20 bowler. We are talking about tests here. If nattu plays tests, he will get injured permanently. That's exactly what has been happening ever since he made his test debut. Not sure if he would hv lasted in those 2 tests in Nz. He last played an intl match in March 2021. Thakur has been somewhat ok in SENA. Played in SA too. Mediocre performance with the ball there. And absolutely nothing with the bat. Had he played in Nz, we would hv won there? Unlikely. Sundar is another player who remains injured 90% time in a year. LOL. No point discussing about him. Only Siraj is the one who has been somewhat consistent in tests. But then we saw how trash he was in the one off Eng test as soon as Eng batsmen started attacking him. Your argument that we would not hv lost 0-2 in Nz , if these set of players had played, looks weak. putrevus 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 21 hours ago, rkt.india said: We have several leg spinners in domestic cricket, off spinners are now obsolete everywhere. Plenty of seam bowling alrounders too. At least 20 genuine fast bowlers. Lack many big hitters because we still play cricket in traditional way. You need proper planning talent identification and making sure they progress well from board but that's not happening. You're just singing the same song in a different tune man putrevus 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Let's not compare Ind with Eng footer. Eng footer (much as I dislike it) is still one of the top 5-10 teams in the world (arguably) in a very competitive sport. We are arguably no. 3 or no. 4 in LOIs in a sport with maybe 6-7 genuine contenders. Link to comment
sage Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 England choke against USA now Despite being the richest national team on the planet https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vereins-statistik/wertvollstenationalmannschaften/marktwertetop Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, sage said: England choke against USA now Despite being the richest national team on the planet https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vereins-statistik/wertvollstenationalmannschaften/marktwertetop Alarming similarity.... Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On Fri Nov 25 2022 at 2:49 AM, the don said: Per capita india produces nowhere near as much talent as SENA +WI, SRL. Not even close.Although in comparison to the 90s and earlier India does produce better talents with some 140 kph bowlers coming to the system, still no great wrist spinners or innovative off spinners. What india do have is a pretty big pool of decent cricketers but thats to do with the size of the country and opportunity as opposed to all of them being freakish talents. Ummm... No SRL has highest HDI index in South Asia means they have proper facilities & strong school system even in the 90's & 2000's.. More or less focused on one sport & with decent enough resources... Stark contrast to what I happening today when they need mercurial circumstances to win. SENA is no comparison with Sub continent. NZ is 5th richest by adult wealth. They have every freakin thing. India is definately under performing no doubt but the problem is within the system that is producing good Talents but not world beating talents that it should be. Cricket has slowly gone to smaller cities leaving metro city hegemony behind in last decade & results will come in time. Lobbying, parchis, corruption ails Indian society that is a big drawback in a bigger talent pool. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 20 hours ago, sage said: England choke against USA now Despite being the richest national team on the planet https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vereins-statistik/wertvollstenationalmannschaften/marktwertetop eng has still done decently in footer, a much more competitive sport than cricket. Link to comment
Pollack Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 2:49 AM, the don said: Per capita india produces nowhere near as much talent as SENA +WI, SRL. Not even close.Although in comparison to the 90s and earlier India does produce better talents with some 140 kph bowlers coming to the system, still no great wrist spinners or innovative off spinners. What india do have is a pretty big pool of decent cricketers but thats to do with the size of the country and opportunity as opposed to all of them being freakish talents. Disagree. India has ample talent. Problem is Indian team is managed like a government office. A set template and no innovations, insular to changes, seniority hegemony and lack of motivation among the senior employees (senior players) due to job security and great facilities to enjoy life. Link to comment
jalebi_bhai Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 Bump. Predictable. They were actually the better team today, winning the midfield battle. All it took was two good moments from France and a predictable choke from an England player. Link to comment
sage Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said: Bump. Predictable. They were actually the better team today, winning the midfield battle. All it took was two good moments from France and a predictable choke from an England player. "Bad 30 minutes" moment Link to comment
sage Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Sound like Indian cricket fans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6qxEnq-BmM Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Eng footer did quite well this WC; lost to a top-tier French side, and didn't choke. As I said in earlier posts, Ind cricket << Eng footer Link to comment
I6MTW Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: Eng footer did quite well this WC; lost to a top-tier French side, and didn't choke. As I said in earlier posts, Ind cricket << Eng footer They did choke though. They had a chance to level, but Harry Kane missed the penalty. And that was a horrible miss. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 minute ago, I6MTW said: They did choke though. They had a chance to level, but Harry Kane missed the penalty. And that was a horrible miss. yes, I should have used a diff word. I meant to say that they didn't fold in meekly, which is the feeling I get from our Ind cricket team in KOs. I6MTW 1 Link to comment
Comrad Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) A couple of months ago, under the scorching South Australian sun, the Indian cricket team suffered its lowest defeat in Test cricket, compounded by the fact that it was a test with a pink ball. Although the Indian cricket team emerged from this dark tunnel with relatively intact pride, this Adelaide defeat was a significant stain on an otherwise flawless summer. I even managed to make some linebet login bets. More importantly, the result sparked a discussion that the Indian cricket team did not play enough day and night Test cricket, even though they were pioneers of the modern game. Edited December 17, 2022 by Comrad Link to comment
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