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Per capita india produces nowhere near as much talent as SENA +WI, SRL. Not even close.Although in comparison to the 90s and earlier India does produce better talents with some 140 kph bowlers coming to the system, still no great wrist spinners or innovative off spinners.

 

What india do have is a pretty big pool of decent cricketers but thats to do with the size of the country and opportunity as opposed to all of them being freakish talents.

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10 hours ago, Norman said:

 

How many of Gill, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur , Nattu etc played in NZ when we lost 2-0? You are making absolutely no sense at this point. 

Among the players u hv mentioned, lets analyse one by one.  Starting with Gill. He has played about 25 test innings. Has been absolutely trash everywhere except in Aus where he played 1 or 2 decent knocks.  Even on flat pitches of Eng, he barely survived 10 balls (July 2022 test) in both innings.   Regarding Nattu, LOL:laugh:.  He is a t20 bowler.  We are talking about tests here.    If nattu plays tests, he will get injured permanently.  That's exactly what has been happening ever since he made his test debut.  Not sure if he would hv lasted in those 2 tests in Nz.  He last played an intl match in March 2021.  Thakur has been somewhat ok in SENA.  Played in SA too. Mediocre performance with the ball there.  And absolutely nothing with the bat.  Had he played in Nz, we would hv won there?   Unlikely.     Sundar is another player who remains injured 90% time in a year.  LOL. No point discussing about him.   Only Siraj is the one who has been somewhat consistent in tests. But then we saw how trash he was in the one off Eng test as soon as Eng batsmen started attacking him.  Your argument that we would not hv lost 0-2 in Nz , if these set of players had played, looks weak.   

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21 hours ago, rkt.india said:

We have several leg spinners in domestic cricket, off spinners are now obsolete everywhere. Plenty of seam bowling alrounders too. At least 20 genuine fast bowlers. Lack many big hitters because we still play cricket in traditional way. 

 

You need proper planning talent identification and making sure they progress well from board but that's not happening.

You're just singing the same song in a different tune man

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On Fri Nov 25 2022 at 2:49 AM, the don said:

Per capita india produces nowhere near as much talent as SENA +WI, SRL. Not even close.Although in comparison to the 90s and earlier India does produce better talents with some 140 kph bowlers coming to the system, still no great wrist spinners or innovative off spinners.

 

What india do have is a pretty big pool of decent cricketers but thats to do with the size of the country and opportunity as opposed to all of them being freakish talents.

Ummm...  No SRL has highest HDI index in South Asia means they have proper facilities & strong school system even in the 90's & 2000's..  More or less focused on one sport & with decent enough resources...  Stark contrast to what I happening today when they need mercurial circumstances to win. 

 

SENA is no comparison with Sub continent.  NZ is 5th richest by adult wealth. They have every freakin thing. 

 

India is definately under performing no doubt but the problem is within the system that is producing good Talents but not world beating talents that it should be. 

Cricket has slowly gone to smaller cities leaving metro city hegemony behind in last decade & results will come in time. 

Lobbying,  parchis,  corruption ails Indian society that is a big drawback in a bigger talent pool. 

 

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On 11/25/2022 at 2:49 AM, the don said:

Per capita india produces nowhere near as much talent as SENA +WI, SRL. Not even close.Although in comparison to the 90s and earlier India does produce better talents with some 140 kph bowlers coming to the system, still no great wrist spinners or innovative off spinners.

 

What india do have is a pretty big pool of decent cricketers but thats to do with the size of the country and opportunity as opposed to all of them being freakish talents.

Disagree. India has ample talent. Problem is Indian team is managed like a government office. A set template and no innovations, insular to changes, seniority hegemony and lack of motivation among the senior employees (senior players) due to job security and great facilities to enjoy life.

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