Should ICC unban chucking and tampering to make PAK bowlers look talented once again?

[zen]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Was Holding a very accurate bowler  ?

 

I have warched him real time.e in many matches .... and he was not.

 

Does not matter. Ind played lies of Ghavri so if there is a bowler of ATG quality like Holding, he would positively make it to team India (or any team at that point in time) 

 

He would have debuted before Kapil and probably helped India to focus on fast bowling too, inspiring many to take up fast bowling and having more sporting pitches 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Does not matter. Ind played lies of Ghavri so if there is a bowler of ATG quality like Holding, he would positively make it to team India (or any team at that point in time) 

 

He would have debuted before Kapil and probably helped India to focus on fast bowling too, inspiring many to take up fast bowling and having more sporting pitches 

 

He would have been dropped because he was good and hence would have overshadowed the Star Batsmen of that era.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

He would have been dropped because he was good and hence would have overshadowed the Star Batsmen of that era.

 

Not sure about that as India had star bowlers in its spinners in the 70s ... they were not dropped 

 

It is not as if only a star pace bowler can overshadow star batsmen 

 

PS India was probably blessed with captains like Pataudi who would have loved a pace bowler like Holding

Edited December 3, 2022 by zen

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Not sure about that as India had star bowlers in its spinners in the 70s ... they were not dropped 

 

It is not as if only a star pace bowler can overshadow star batsmen 

 

PS India was probably blessed with captains like Pataudi who would have loved a pace bowler like Holding

 

Our spinners of the 60s and  70s were good but not stars like batsmen of that era. And one would have to pick some bowlers as there were no medium pacers even in that era except Ramakant Desai to some extent.

 

Pitches were made non conducive for spinners after the era of the 4 big spinners. 

 

One has to look at the treatment meted out to Razdan ( played just 2 tests despite taking a fifer in one of them and averaging 28 ) .. Wassan ( dropped for ever after 9 ODIs despite averaging 25 ) .. Ashish Zaidi ( never debuted despite being pacy cum skilful ) ...... to get an idea about the hatred for quality pacers. 

 

 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Our spinners of the 60s and  70s were good but not stars like batsmen of that era. And one would have to pick some bowlers as there were no medium pacers even in that era except Ramakant Desai to some extent.

 

Pitches were made non conducive for spinners after the era of the 4 big spinners. 

 

One has to look at the treatment meted out to Razdan ( played just 2 tests despite taking a fifer in one of them and averaging 28 ) .. Wassan ( dropped for ever after 9 ODIs despite averaging 25 ) .. Ashish Zaidi ( never debuted despite being pacy cum skilful ) ...... to get an idea about the hatred for quality pacers. 

 

 

 

Those guys are not "Holding" 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Those guys are not "Holding" 

 

Holding became " Holding " only after he had played tests for a significant period of time.  It would have been easy to weed out a scrawny teenager trying to bowl fast and take wickets giving the excuse of " lack of control " 

 

I am pointing towards tendencies when I state the cases of Razdan, Wassan and Zaidi.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Holding became " Holding " only after he had played tests for a significant period of time.  It would have been easy to weed out a scrawny teenager trying to bowl fast and take wickets giving the excuse of " lack of control " 

 

I am pointing towards tendencies when I state the cases of Razdan, Wassan and Zaidi.

 

I understand but don't think that Holding would not have made it. India had to open with Ghavri. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

I understand but don't think that Holding would not have made it. India had to open with Ghavri. 

 

India of the 1970s was happy doing that. 

Edited December 3, 2022 by express bowling

[zen]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

India of the 1970s was happy doing that. 

 

Because it did not have options esp. like a "Holding"

 

Anyways, I have given my 2 cents on this so nothing more to add! 

[express bowling]

The biggest thing thaf affected Indian cricket and 98% of its cricketers till 1995 or thereabouts, except a few bravehearts like Gavaskar, Amarnath, Vishwanath, Kapil,  Shastri,  Tendulkar etc. Not talking about just thr top level but every level from Club cricket tk international cricket ⁷..... was the fear of getting hit by the hard cricket ball delivered at a high pace.

 

And as Indian cricket was mostly run by batsmen and allounders at every level, they probably did not want quick bowlers threatening them physically in the nets too ( they knew that Phoren phaaast bowlers would do that anyway in matches )

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by express bowling

[khadekhademaaro]

Can keep the ball close to other balls while bending. Ab to fas gayi gend. Bach ke Kahan jaayegi. Dab jaayegi 

 

 

[Vijy]

On 12/2/2022 at 1:54 AM, express bowling said:

 

 

Shami, Bumrah, Umesh, Siraj and Srinath all have low or very low averages in tests in India.

 

Bumrah   15

Siraj         17

Shami      21

Umesh    25

Srinath    26.6 

 

Quicks, who can reverse the ball at pace, do really well on Indian pitches in test matches.

 

 

 

 

if we gave them the kind of pitches that barbie and andie get every now and then (e.g., barbie's 8-fer), they would run even more rampant. even booba would do well in that case.

[Aiden]

If BCCI focus on their own team more they might beat Bangladesh next time.

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, Aiden said:

If BCCI focus on their own team more they might beat Bangladesh next time.

if pak focus more on their team, they may not lose to Zim, which is a much worse team than Bang.

 

FYI, Ind team is full of crappy selections and deserved to lose this match

[Nikhil_cric]

On 12/3/2022 at 11:51 PM, express bowling said:

 

Was Holding a very accurate bowler  ?

 

I have warched him real time.e in many matches .... and he was not.

Holding would not have been as effective in this era. 

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Holding would not have been as effective in this era. 

Why would he have not been effective in this Era. He was tall , super fast and accurate,He could seam the ball around and get bounce with his height on any wicket. 

[vvvslaxman]

This title is better lol Whoever changed the title props to you

[Grand_Design]

20 hours ago, Aiden said:

If BCCI focus on their own team more they might beat Bangladesh next time.

Agreed. But Pakistan are heavily focused on their team and still can't win Test matches at home.

 

How genetically defective are you guys? 

 

 

[TheWall]

2 hours ago, Grand_Design said:

Agreed. But Pakistan are heavily focused on their team and still can't win Test matches at home.

 

How genetically defective are you guys? 

 

 

They can't concentrate on zim also. They will get beaten by them also.

[Grand_Design]

Wow. Poyzz getting their rear ends handed to them in their own backyard. 

 

Why is Pakistan the least talented nation in all of cricket nowadays ? Beef not good enough?

Maybe switch to pork. Might help?