Should ICC unban chucking and tampering to make PAK bowlers look talented once again?

[Pakistan]

Your most famous test series win was due to chucking from Bhaji even MCGrath was chucking based on ICC rules.

[Pakistan]

4 hours ago, Grand_Design said:

Wow. Poyzz getting their rear ends handed to them in their own backyard. 

 

Why is Pakistan the least talented nation in all of cricket nowadays ? Beef not good enough?

Maybe switch to pork. Might help?

We missed you lot in T20 World Cup Final. That was suppose to be your partay we were the wedding crashed.

[Nikhil_cric]

20 minutes ago, Pakistan said:

Your most famous test series win was due to chucking from Bhaji even MCGrath was chucking based on ICC rules.

Bhajji was not chucking in that match, lol. He was clean in that series. On the other hand, your 3-0 win over England in the UAE was a travesty. When Ajmal chucked 45 degrees every ball to win that series. 

 

We are seeing the real ability of PAK side now. :)

[Norman]

They just do not have the test match bowling talent right now. Plain and simple. Umesh Yadav post 2015 would have been a 'legend' he was a Pakistani. That's how low their standards are at this point. 

 

Yasir Shah on slow UAE wickets was their only genuine match winner for a short time but since then, they've been fielding one minnow level attack after the other. 

[Iconoclast]

31 minutes ago, Norman said:

They just do not have the test match bowling talent right now. Plain and simple. Umesh Yadav post 2015 would have been a 'legend' he was a Pakistani. That's how low their standards are at this point. 

 

Yasir Shah on slow UAE wickets was their only genuine match winner for a short time but since then, they've been fielding one minnow level attack after the other. 

 

It was not too long ago when Shaheen and Hasan Ali were winning us Test series.

 

We had good pitches when Wasim Khan was PCB chairman.

 

Rameez F'd things up big time.

[Norman]

1 hour ago, Iconoclast said:

 

It was not too long ago when Shaheen and Hasan Ali were winning us Test series.

 

We had good pitches when Wasim Khan was PCB chairman.

 

Rameez F'd things up big time.

 

Yeah against mighty Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. 

 

Only decent test series win for Pakistan in the recent past was against South Africa who themselves are border line minnow level on subcontinent wickets and got clean swept by Sri Lanka as well. 

[Grand_Design]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:05 PM, Iconoclast said:

 

It was not too long ago when Shaheen and Hasan Ali were winning us Test series.

 

We had good pitches when Wasim Khan was PCB chairman.

 

Rameez F'd things up big time.

Oh yes. You won against Bangladesh and SL. Incredible achievement

 

[putrevus]

Where are the spinners in Pakistan. I have never seen Pakistani team with worst bowling attacks. This England team can be easily be beaten , you have to attack them and get tracks suited to your bowling.

[Vijy]

On 12/10/2022 at 8:35 AM, Iconoclast said:

 

It was not too long ago when Shaheen and Hasan Ali were winning us Test series.

 

We had good pitches when Wasim Khan was PCB chairman.

 

Rameez F'd things up big time.

please keep the quality of opposition in mind. then also keep in mind the fact that most pak "pace" bowlers are not fit enough for tests. likes of shaheen, rauf, naseem, etc all down with injuries as expected. don't blame it all on rameez, who is admittedly a turd

[Grand_Design]

168 overs and still can't bowl out even Ish freaking Sodhi. 

 

Hats off to this bloated associate level attack 

[express bowling]

Pakistan should be allowed to use 23 bowlers in tests, 4 overs each per day, so that they can bowl decently in test matches and restrict the opposition to maybe 500.   

[SM2907]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

Pakistan should be allowed to use 23 bowlers in tests, 4 overs each per day, so that they can bowl decently in test matches and restrict the opposition to maybe 500.   

5 times bending allowed on the field too, baaki maksad bhi pura karna hai

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, Grand_Design said:

168 overs and still can't bowl out even Ish freaking Sodhi. 

 

Hats off to this bloated associate level attack 

ish sodhi gives them the nightmares, thanks to his indian origins.

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Pakistan should be allowed to use 23 bowlers in tests, 4 overs each per day, so that they can bowl decently in test matches and restrict the opposition to maybe 500.   

they should also be given frequent breaks so that they can rest their fragile bodies and also to indulge in their religious practices/ gestures (instead of focusing on cricket, which is supposed to be secular)

Edited December 29, 2022 by Vijy

[mani sha]

Why such a bad thread ? 
 

pak used to win based of whatever was allowed back in the day. They are winning less now and who cares . Bangladesh imo has better test class bowlers than pak . But a fit shaheen can boost pak attack. 
 

don’t know why we are taking religious practises etc . Let them be . India has its own problems and our selectors are next level stupid.  

[G_B_]

In general i think the increasing professionalism in the game has been to the detriment of Pakistan.

 

The 90s was when they last had a proper team which was good across formats.

 

Professional game started in the 90s with the arrival of Packer etc. So by the time new gen started coming through they were in decline. This was not helped by the internal situation. 

 

There have been peaks since the 90s in loi cricket. 2007 t20 (final) 2009 t20 win 2017 champions trophy and 2022 t20 wc final. But scant gains in test cricket.

 

The professional gap will get more as time progresses. Same situation of pak in field hockey today. Good team in 90s to not even a top 10 team

 

 

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, G_B_ said:

In general i think the increasing professionalism in the game has been to the detriment of Pakistan.

 

The 90s was when they last had a proper team which was good across formats.

 

Professional game started in the 90s with the arrival of Packer etc. So by the time new gen started coming through they were in decline. This was not helped by the internal situation. 

 

There have been peaks since the 90s in loi cricket. 2007 t20 (final) 2009 t20 win 2017 champions trophy and 2022 t20 wc final. But scant gains in test cricket.

 

The professional gap will get more as time progresses. Same situation of pak in field hockey today. Good team in 90s to not even a top 10 team

 

 

increasing professionalism in virtually any domain hampers them badly. looking at academics, speaking from my own experience, there are a lot of Ind academics, but the number of Pak academics is not that much removed from number of SL or Bangla academics

[SM2907]

11 hours ago, mani sha said:

Why such a bad thread ? 
 

pak used to win based of whatever was allowed back in the day. They are winning less now and who cares . Bangladesh imo has better test class bowlers than pak . But a fit shaheen can boost pak attack. 
 

don’t know why we are taking religious practises etc . Let them be . India has its own problems and our selectors are next level stupid.  

 

If let them be on insulting other religions, then let us also be. abhi to unki bahut gaind ( ball) maarni hai

[G_B_]

5 hours ago, Vijy said:

increasing professionalism in virtually any domain hampers them badly. looking at academics, speaking from my own experience, there are a lot of Ind academics, but the number of Pak academics is not that much removed from number of SL or Bangla academics

 

Pakistan peaked (in relative ranking to other countries) in the 80s and early 90s.

 

They were ahead in agriculture. But agriculture as a sector saw reduced prominence in asia as services and industry took over. Never really expanded into other sectors to take progression forward. Pooulation kept increasing at breathneck speed.

 

Look at Indian punjab. Was number 1 in 90s but last i checked is a middle ranking state in terms of income and economy etc. 

 

 

[G_B_]

And like it or not but internal situation economy wise impacts everything...including sports.

 

 

In cricket, terrible economy and internal strife killed of Zimbabwe from being a challenging team to a minnow. South Africa have never economically recovered from the 2008 financial crisis which has led to crime and white south africans bolstering other teams like England Aus and Nz. They are on the cusp of being a permanently middling team.

 

 

This is why BD despite being losers are still better placed as of now to be an ok cricket team across formats. Ireland too is better placed than say Afghanistan which is another raw talent redux of Pakistan with 0 internal structure due to the Taliban. 

 

 

With India too you can see our economic rise has resulted in more wins than losses across formats.