The " Video Thread " of Indian 140 k+ pacers

[BacktoCricaddict]

11 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

@express bowling confirm if I am wrong in my assertion here, but with Javagal, he was the type of bowler that when he was in the "zone" ie fired up and mentally prepared he was lethal and deadly. There were times however he was like a trundler.

 

My take? He almost felt guilty - like he was committing some sin - being a fast bowler.  I felt like he would bowl a nasty ball, and then his conscience would go "Bad boy, Srinath, why would you do something to hurt someone like that?"

[express bowling]

43 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

@express bowling confirm if I am wrong in my assertion here, but with Javagal, he was the type of bowler that when he was in the "zone" ie fired up and mentally prepared he was lethal and deadly. There were times however he was like a trundler.

 

Srinath was a pacer who could make the ball fly through with bounce, whether he was bowling 150 k or 135 k.  And his default deliveries seamed in with bounce.  This quality made him a pacer who was always hitting the batsmen on the hands or body or making them hop. 

 

His attitude wasn't aggressive but his deliveries almost always were. 

 

 

[Mesky99]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Have you see TA Sekhar bowl ?

 

If yes, then how was he as a pacer ?

 

He was probably the first genuine quick to represent independent India. Before him, Pandurang Salgaokar never got to play for India. 

Ta Sekhar must have been quick, Imran khan once stormed into Indias dressing room and scolded gavaskar and the TM for not playing ta Sekhar a genuine pacer, Abdul Ismail was a stalwart of the 70s and 80s for Mumbai, a FC bowling average of 18 might just be the best ever for a pacer.

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

My take? He almost felt guilty - like he was committing some sin - being a fast bowler.  I felt like he would bowl a nasty ball, and then his conscience would go "Bad boy, Srinath, why would you do something to hurt someone like that?"

This mythology sounds very 'fitting' but its got no basis in reality.  Bottomline was that Javagal had shoulder issues in the latter half of his career and ended up bowling well within himself.  Add to this, limited knowledge on the science of fitness, strengthening and bowling conditions at 'home', led to him finding a bowling method that focused more on searching for wickets via nagging lengths than hostile ones.  

 

Folks tend to speculate a whole lot about mental and emotional motivations of players based on random snippets.  And usually end up drawing wrong conclusions...

[sandeep]

11 hours ago, Pakistan said:

Useless cannot stay fit for tournament which matter.

are we talking about Shaheen shah afridi, Naseem Shah, Rauf, who exactly are you bashing?

[AKane]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Have you see TA Sekhar bowl ?

 

If yes, then how was he as a pacer ?

 

He was probably the first genuine quick to represent independent India. Before him, Pandurang Salgaokar never got to play for India. 

 

I saw TA Shekhar on TV only - never in person. He looked good on TV as far as I can recall - the runup and delivery was good.

 

Salgaonkar I saw in Pune in a match versus Gujarat (Dhiraj Parsana starred on that pitch though) and he was fast.... He injured Gavaskar once or twice which was hard to do for fast bowlers. Then they worked on his action and ruined the raw fast "Pandu".

Edited December 12, 2022 by AKane

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, SRT100 said:

@express bowling confirm if I am wrong in my assertion here, but with Javagal, he was the type of bowler that when he was in the "zone" ie fired up and mentally prepared he was lethal and deadly. There were times however he was like a trundler.

 

He was not an "in your face" bowler. He could have easily done given the hostility he can generate.

[vvvslaxman]

Srinath had this meek look.  He needed that Sreesanth's aggression.  Here you see first ball Sreesanth delivering a thunder bolt at 145k. Final ball touches 149k. Seriously with the ability to bowl outswing he would have been lethal in this era.

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

This mythology sounds very 'fitting' but its got no basis in reality.  Bottomline was that Javagal had shoulder issues in the latter half of his career and ended up bowling well within himself.  Add to this, limited knowledge on the science of fitness, strengthening and bowling conditions at 'home', led to him finding a bowling method that focused more on searching for wickets via nagging lengths than hostile ones.  

 

Folks tend to speculate a whole lot about mental and emotional motivations of players based on random snippets.  And usually end up drawing wrong conclusions...

 

True.  I was just extrapolating from his apologetic response/expression every time he downed someone with a nasty delivery.  I know he was just being gentlemanly, but it just seemed like his mother was talking in his head, asking him to be nice to this opponents!

[Need4Speed]

I am trying to find some from Munaf Patel..thought in initial days he was bowling 140+ but not finding any

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, Need4Speed said:

I am trying to find some from Munaf Patel..thought in initial days he was bowling 140+ but not finding any

Found this video though most of the wickets he got was of deliveries around the mid 130's. But those couple of late  reverse swinging yorkers at the end were fire. Towards the end of the video they show his speeds for the innings for a split second - fastest of 145 and average of 135. Feel sad looking at these videos thinking of what could have been. He had the potential to be one of the top fast bowlers for India but he didn't have the fitness and attitude to keep bowling fast.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Mosher

[vvvslaxman]

17 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Found this video though most of the wickets he got was of deliveries around the mid 130's. But those couple of late  reverse swinging yorkers at the end were fire. Towards the end of the video they show his speeds for the innings for a split second - fastest of 145 and average of 135. Feel sad looking at these videos thinking of what could have been. He had the potential to be one of the top fast bowlers for India but he didn't have the fitness and attitude to keep bowling fast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Munaf became a trundler over a period. But in the Mohali world cup against Pakistan he raised his game. Clocking 143 kph. 

[AKane]

6 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Abdul Ismail was a stalwart of the 70s and 80s for Mumbai, a FC bowling average of 18 might just be the best ever for a pacer.

Yes Abdul Ismail preceded Ghavri as Mumbai pace spearhead when they won 15 or so Ranjis in a row. I think Ghavri though younger started same time as Ismail but with Saurashtra initially. Not sure.

 

Strange part is that Mumbai captain was Wadekar same as India - He relied on pace in Mumbai but totally eschewed pace for spin for India. Had a couple of good series's with  the spin trio/quartet in a pace depleted Windies in 1971 and then in England in 1971 and 72/73 at home vs England. Then came the 1974 series in England and Wadekar was done. The spin trio/quartet crap continued until the bloodbath at Kingston in 1976 and the Pak thrashing in 78 - following which the Kapil Dev era began ending the myth and filth of Indian spin.

Edited December 13, 2022 by AKane

[vishalvirsingh]

6 hours ago, sandeep said:

This mythology sounds very 'fitting' but its got no basis in reality.  Bottomline was that Javagal had shoulder issues in the latter half of his career and ended up bowling well within himself.  Add to this, limited knowledge on the science of fitness, strengthening and bowling conditions at 'home', led to him finding a bowling method that focused more on searching for wickets via nagging lengths than hostile ones.  

 

Folks tend to speculate a whole lot about mental and emotional motivations of players based on random snippets.  And usually end up drawing wrong conclusions...

once when i was watching a odi in wankhade, srinath was standing at the square cut boundary. we were screaming Hi Srinath but he was not responding.

since i adored him, i went down and started screaming, Hey srinath , you are probably the fastest bowler India ever produced- i guess he heard that and he turned his face towards me but he did not come and meet me. i am 180 cm close to 6ft and He looked 6 feet and 4 inches to me , he was thin but he had broad shoulders. i met venky prasad at bangalore airport guest area , both of us were having lunch ( using our credit cards). he and I also had a Picture. he was 6 2"and a delicate fellow, i mean soft hands and a bowler with no fast bowlers attitude but had phenomenal knowledge about cricket, i asked him when is he becoming the bowling coach or head coach of India - he said Lets see. But it seems he is also committed to BCCI and is working under BCCI still.

Srinath had a very good height and I would say fast bowler's physique too...thats why he could generate Pace.

[tapandrun]

Srinath was quick in every stages and build some pace along, but once he had that shoulder injury and had to a subsequent operation to fix it he lost his pace.

After that he remodel his action too, previously he had similar action to most of tall fast WI bowlers, rhythmic able to generate pace and bounce without much effort.

 

Similar thing happened with Aus fast bowler -Jhye Richardson he too lost some pace and started to throwing underarms from the boundary. 

 

[Mesky99]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

Yes Abdul Ismail preceded Ghavri as Mumbai pace spearhead when they won 15 or so Ranjis in a row. I think Ghavri though younger started same time as Ismail but with Saurashtra initially. Not sure.

 

Strange part is that Mumbai captain was Wadekar same as India - He relied on pace in Mumbai but totally eschewed pace for spin for India. Had a couple of good series's with  the spin trio/quartet in a pace depleted Windies in 1971 and then in England in 1971 and 72/73 at home vs England. Then came the 1974 series in England and Wadekar was done. The spin trio/quartet crap continued until the bloodbath at Kingston in 1976 and the Pak thrashing in 78 - following which the Kapil Dev era began ending the myth and filth of Indian spin.

Ismail was tall and had lethal away swing, I personally feel the Indian spin quartet was overrated, their numbers were okay nothing out of the ordinary, Mumbai kept producing good seamers all throughout the 80s, 90s and 2000s not the case anymore, they simply don't have any pacers that could play for India.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

JASPRIT  BUMRAH 

 

 

Fifer in a test in India in early 2022 ....  Channel balls early on .... snorter bouncers with the older ball

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/sri-lanka-tour-of-india-202122/india-vs-sri-lanka-m705082/match-clips/bumrah-picks-up-first-5for-at-home/1260087431

 

 

 

3 wicket haul later in that test series, attacking the stumps at high pace and with swing ....

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/sri-lanka-tour-of-india-202122/india-vs-sri-lanka-m705082/match-clips/bumrah-keeps-firing-at-sl-with-323/1260087599

[express bowling]

BUMRAH bowls a set Finch with a 142 k yorker and Finch applauds ....

 

 

https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5557390/timber-jasprit-bumrah-castles-aaron-finch

 

 

 

 

Smith falls to the ground facing a Bumrah rocket at 144 k ....

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

 

Indian quicks dominating in the 5th Test in England in mid 2022  .... Watch from 7.40  .....

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

BUMRAH  bowls Pope in England 2021 with a 89 mph thunderbolt  .... 

 

 

https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/2245082/pope-wicket-b-bumrah

Edited December 13, 2022 by express bowling