Projects lost to Gujarat

[Moochad]

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Edited January 3, 2023 by Moochad
Not worth it

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

Anti Bihari anti Tamil in Maharashtra regional stuff and is not same as communal riots.

 

 

data you provided is presumed correct by me but context and reasoning is what we differ upon. For example GDP per capita of Gujrat(3rd) should be same or more than Maharashtra (1st) but I am not blindly concluding on that data that Maharashtra has had unfair share of National budget which is what one can easily deduce if it wants to do simple logic. One can also argue that previous central gvmnt has been unfair to other state’s citizens vis a vis Maharashtrian and just some rebalancing is happening as Gujrat is equally well placed geographically.

OK on that account how about TN that has second gdp and KA , guj has far greater allocation as well. No matter how you look at it any unbiased person will clearly see a case of favoritism in play here. This is sub optimal and will lead to other states attempting the same. I could not care less about maharashtra may be they did the same in their time. So it's a template pretty much. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

and youre gonna do what exactly? 

You won't have a discussion with em that's about it. What do you think anyone can do its a discussion forum. Keep it to that otherwise there is none. Binary.

[mishra]

7 minutes ago, Vilander said:

OK on that account how about TN that has second gdp and KA , guj has far greater allocation as well. No matter how you look at it any unbiased person will clearly see a case of favoritism in play here. This is sub optimal and will lead to other states attempting the same. I could not care less about maharashtra may be they did the same in their time. So it's a template pretty much. 

I firmly believe Tamilnadu should build Ram Sethu and Sethusamudram Canal instead of wasting energy on other stuff. That will immensely benefit State and country. Stalin shoul go with plan to Modi. 

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[LordPrabhzy]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

How are regional parties anti India ? AIMM wins only 4-5 seats. Even owasi defends india against Pakistan multiple interviews on YouTube if you care to look.  How is TRS, Biju Janata dal, AAP etc anti india ? 

Yes I referred to the list I stated in my earlier post- not EVERY regional party in the country. Jheez you lot need to improve your analytical skills.

 

also doesn’t matter what Owaisi says in Pakistan when his own brother and his party members threaten to kill Hindus openly ( who are incidentally Indians too) so don’t use that dogshite of an instance as an attempt to whitewash Owaisi.

[gattaca]

22 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

Yes I referred to the list I stated in my earlier post- not EVERY regional party in the country. Jheez you lot need to improve your analytical skills.

 

also doesn’t matter what Owaisi says in Pakistan when his own brother and his party members threaten to kill Hindus openly ( who are incidentally Indians too) so don’t use that dogshite of an instance as an attempt to whitewash Owaisi.

Being anti India different than being anti bjp. Assauddin owasi never threatened Hindus. There were BJP leaders who threatened Muslims as well. Does that constitute anti India ?

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[LordPrabhzy]

43 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Being anti India different than being anti bjp. Assauddin owasi never threatened Hindus. There were BJP leaders who threatened Muslims as well. Does that constitute anti India ?

He has never stopped his party and his family members saying those statements so yes by association he has the same views.

 

you can put it anyway you want- but in the garb of being anti bjp the regional parties I mentioned have made their stance clear about what they think about India. And most Hindus in india have seen through them now- so either way regardless of how ideal BJP may not be on governing but as of now all the opposition is out of the race of governing the country for many years. The sooner people accept it the better.

[gattaca]

44 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

He has never stopped his party and his family members saying those statements so yes by association he has the same views.

 

you can put it anyway you want- but in the garb of being anti bjp the regional parties I mentioned have made their stance clear about what they think about India. And most Hindus in india have seen through them now- so either way regardless of how ideal BJP may not be on governing but as of now all the opposition is out of the race of governing the country for many years. The sooner people accept it the better.

TRS was never against BJP they voted for multiple bills for BJP. They became anti BJP after improper funding allocations.

[zen]

The wind blew

The mountain remained anchored 

A river flowed 

A cat meowed 

 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

2 hours ago, gattaca said:

TRS was never against BJP they voted for multiple bills for BJP. They became anti BJP after improper funding allocations.

 

Politics aside

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/stones-pelted-vande-bharat-express-west-bengal-launch-bjp-tmc-8358302/

 

This is the reason states like this dont deserve anything nice.. fecking animals the lot of them.

[RedFever]

On 12/29/2022 at 4:40 AM, mishra said:

Advantage BJP has over any other state including Maharashtra is following.

1. Consistent BJP Government.

2. No opposition to people from other states on grounds of "Outsider". All states with sea shore have a advantage vis a vis land locked state but only Gujrat has shown that they are okie with anyone working in their state.

3. Politicians failed to divide Community on basis of cast (Reservation for Patels and other freebies failed)

4. It has couple of richest Indians belonging to that community. So they can make/do deals with Western heads (You do know that long before Indian PM visited white House, Ambains used to visit white House and their influence must have played role during Clinton era).

5. It has very solid NRI base, even those NRI's are core pro India and nationalistic  which is very clear on issues like Kashmir, Khalistan, Pakistan, China and so on. Even on this forum, You never see any Gujju displaying any regionalist sentiments.

6. Agreed that Gujju Community is money minded but what they do when they get rich. They end up buying creating Mumbai Indians and Not Mumbai Gujratis in India and building traditional temples and pro India social groups in West.

 

So conclusion, Projects which have long term, National and Security (It include economic security) implications will automatically choose Gujrat as safest place by Central Government headed by BJP.

Dairy, Diamond, Dispensary (pharmaceutical) of India belongs to Gujjus. Chemical,Chips will belong to Gujjus. Despite not being a Gujju, I am proud of Gujjus achevements and consider them as role model for other Indian State Communities.

 

 

We have one gujju on this forum who is single handedly destroying the credibility of the gujrati community, with his regional bias towards only Gujrati players.

[Khota]

9 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

and youre gonna do what exactly? 

Is that the right way to talk to a fellow member?

[Khota]

1 hour ago, RedFever said:

 

 

We have one gujju on this forum who is single handedly destroying the credibility of the gujrati community, with his regional bias towards only Gujrati players.

One person never defines a community. Gujaratis have our respect, and nothing will diminish that. Difference of opinion is another thing.

[Vilander]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

Is that the right way to talk to a fellow member?

Very aggressive vegetarians and Internet tough guys 

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, gattaca said:

Being anti India different than being anti bjp.

 

 

Yup so when faced with insurmountable evidence of biased pm hm pseudo pressure to divert funding and allocations to home state, proof given is rest of Indian states are anti India for some or other reason. May be we should add guj is not equal go india.

[Khota]

37 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Very aggressive vegetarians and Internet tough guys 

Lot of e-courage.

[Tibarn]

On 12/31/2022 at 2:16 AM, Clarke said:

 

That's just the quality of the forum these days. A rat that belongs to the sewer gets to define the narrative of my state. Find me one such comment from a Gujarati leader of importance like the one your Raja put out earlier this year or the Pani Puri jibes that are trendy these days or even the other Thackeray type ideology. I'm not even going to the tens of thousands, maybe lakhs of Kashmiris or Punjabis or Northeasterners that either supported militant secessionist movements or sympathized with them. 

Well said, here's a more complete list :

1)People from states with significant populations who actively opposed the Indian independence movement as loyal British servants (Punjab and TN),

2) Tried to balkanize India before/during Independence, ie Dravida Nadu/Khalistan (Punjab and TN),

3)Murdered Indian PMs (Punjab and TN)

4)Attempted an ethnic cleansing of their Hindu population(Punjab, J&K, NE)

5)Past terror movement against India(Punjab, J&K, NE)

6) Currently have people with separatist fantasies (Punjab, Kashmir, TN)

 

These types are claiming that Gujaratis are the most regional minded. 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Tibarn

[Tibarn]

On 12/29/2022 at 11:51 AM, Moochad said:

Where is the basis for this? Two projects going to Gujarat and yet the state still not being the topmost in FDI = BJP is only concerned with developing Gujarat? When Fadnavis or Yogiji becomes PM in the future, is this same bizarre logic going pushed? I don't know if you've been to UP, but the difference is night and day from when muppet singh and yadav were in charge of centre and state. BJP is focusing on all the states that vote for them. BJP cant do anything about states like Bengal or Punjab. They voted for their favourite, now they deal with it.  

 

I am from Poona, most projects started in Maharashtra prefer Mumbai over Poona for location and this has always been the case. Thackrey being CM for several years didn't cause that.  Like you said, Guj is always in the top handful of states, just like the rest are always the same, Maharashtra, Delhi+NCR.....

 

The only thing in this thread that actually looks like Gujarat bias by the Centre is the CAG report which should be investigated to see if true and the Dholera Foxconn project you mentioned, assuming what you said about Dholera is true. Otherwise this thread just seems to be paindoos gone wild.

It's kind of misleading, specifically about Dholera. Most of what was said can be found in this article(https://www.pressreader.com/india/the-free-press-journal/20220916/page/1), so its basically just paraphrasing accusations made by Maharashtra CC member Sachin Sawant. 

 

What was left unsaid was that: Dholera is one in a long line of failed Special Economic Zones or Special Investment Regions in India. It's not specific to Modi-Sarkar/Gujarat. In the 1980-1998 time period there were ~1200 of these zones, by  2005 there were ~580 of them and only 1/5 of them actually export anything. They are basically all unprofitable unless they are in areas where there is already successful economic activity. doi:10.2139/ssrn.2297871. The main difference with Dholera is that it was supposed to be a SMART-city made in response to increasing demands of urbanization. These projects never actually invested much of anything there, they just put it under consideration. Large projects do feasibility studies before investment, and they found that Dholera is not a good area for manufacturing, particularly because of monsoon season. They essentially wasted a few months and moved.   

 

In general, command-economy ideas like SEZs, SMART-cities are bad ideas, but they are popular among politicians in India still...

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Tibarn

[Tibarn]

I don't see why the post saying Gujarat was the most business friendly state was troll-voted... Historically, the data back that up:

 

CATO Institute + Fraser Institute joint report on Economic Freedom in India https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/economic-freedom-india-2013/economic-freedom-states-of-india-2013.pdf

 

 

 

The World Bank Report/Ease of Doing Business Report also agrees with this: although this one only takes into account 2015

 

How exactly does one expect private capital to come to states which are following socialist/License-Raj era economic policies?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Tibarn

[Tibarn]

An actual source regarding PSU funding by states of India:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/finance/5-states-claim-half-of-psus-investment-maharashtra-tops-the-list/articleshow/41930131.cms?from=mdr

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/pm-modi-didnt-create-single-psu-privatised-23-congress-in-rs/articleshow/89321217.cms

 

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5 states claim half of PSUs investment;

 

PM Modi didn't create single PSU, privatised 23: Congress in ..

 

 

Maybe people should look at the states which actually have massive Central government investments... 

 

As HDI() has declared that Gujarat is much less developed than J&K, Punjab, TN, and Kerala, the least people from these states which are much more developed could do is spare some of those public sector funds with poor, underdeveloped Gujarat and Hindi-belt states. 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Tibarn