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Phase out seniors and include Sundar in middle order.


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6 minutes ago, Number said:

 

One way is try 4-5 top domestic scorers. Needless to say unless we are very lucky they will be short of international class i.e. Vihari.

Another way is give long rope to guy who has shown he belongs to this level and far exceeded expectations. I'd rather go 2nd way.

What has guy like Sarfraz done wrong. Guy like him needs to given a chance than giving chance to guy like Sundar.

 

Sundar needs to play FC to showcase his abilities as a proper batsman. 

 

Test cricket is not for bits and pieces player like him.

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18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What has guy like Sarfraz done wrong. Guy like him needs to given a chance than giving chance to guy like Sundar.

 

Sundar needs to play FC to showcase his abilities as a proper batsman. 

 

Test cricket is not for bits and pieces player like him.

 

Sarfraz is closest to the international debut in the middle order and even he failed against even Bangladesh A team this month. I have developed serious doubts over domestic Bradmans. 

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The seniors have been setting the platform for a defeat more often than not, but youngsters and bowlers have been foiling their plans and rescuing us from defeat time and again. But against stronger opposition like Australia, this may not be possible. A clean sweep series loss at home might be the only way an overhaul of the batting will happen. Our bowling also needs new faces. Ashwin-Jaddu are not going to be there forever. Bumrah is often injured, Shami is old, and so is Umesh. Siraj is younger but is a blow hot, blow cold type. 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

What has guy like Sarfraz done wrong. Guy like him needs to given a chance than giving chance to guy like Sundar.

 

Sundar needs to play FC to showcase his abilities as a proper batsman. 

 

Test cricket is not for bits and pieces player like him.

Sundar has already proved vs Aus and Eng attacks in adverse situations.

 

What great challenge will FC attacks have that these two teams don't have?

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1 hour ago, Lord said:

Sundar has already proved vs Aus and Eng attacks in adverse situations.

 

What great challenge will FC attacks have that these two teams don't have?

What did he prove in Australia exactly ? The same thing Gill did also facing bigger challenge facing new ball.How is he doing now

 

It is about batting time and ability to score 100s that is what FC  teaches these young players. Mayank looked best player  of spin bowling  in first innings itself.

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14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What did he prove in Australia exactly ? The same thing Gill did also facing bigger challenge facing new ball.How is he doing now

 

It is about batting time and ability to score 100s that is what FC  teaches these young players. Mayank looked best player  of spin bowling  in first innings itself.

 

Gill is also proven as far as ability goes. Few issues will be there for every young batsman.He's fine.

 

Many FC stalwarts can bat time but just don't have ability to face international attacks. That can't be learned.

 

Sundar is young so can learn to bat time in Tests itself.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Gill is also proven as far as ability goes. Few issues will be there for every young batsman.He's fine.

 

Many FC stalwarts can bat time but just don't have ability to face international attacks. That can't be learned.

 

Sundar is young so can learn to bat time in Tests itself.

 

 

That is why I am all for giving chances to Gill and I don’t think Sundar is top 6 batsman.

 

We don’t need another bits and pieces player.

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2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is why I am all for giving chances to Gill and I don’t think Sundar is top 6 batsman.

 

We don’t need another bits and pieces player.

Bits and pieces don't score 96 on turner from 6-150 on a rank turner or that knock on Gabba

 

He has a sound technique and temperament, Enough to work with. 

 

Bowling is just bonus.

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4 hours ago, putrevus said:

What has guy like Sarfraz done wrong. Guy like him needs to given a chance than giving chance to guy like Sundar.

 

Sundar needs to play FC to showcase his abilities as a proper batsman. 

 

Test cricket is not for bits and pieces player like him.

Vihari toiled in FC for many years and proved his worth, we saw how he fared in internationals. We also saw Sundar in Gabba and at home against Eng. Let your eyes be the judge, what technical deficiency or shortcoming in temperament do you see in Sundar that can be honed in FC?

 

Smith hardly set FC on fire before firing away in test cricket. Labu had a FC average of 32 or 33 when he got his call. Sometimes exceptions must be made for generational talents. How much FC experience did Sachin have before being sent away to face Imran, the 2 Ws, Qadir? Shami, Bumrah were fast tracked but Ranji legends like Vinay Kumar and Unadkat weren't, why? Not saying Sundar will definitely reach that level but clearly he has immense potential and must be backed, will trust him to shine more than these fading seniors and domestic stalwarts. I see him as a middle order prospect, but even if you (and few others) see him as Ashwin's successor it must be noted that Ashwin too was trusted to deliver in test cricket before he had created some records in domestic. With some players you must take the leap of faith instead of wasting years, Sundar has shown he fits in that category. 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Vihari toiled in FC for many years and proved his worth, we saw how he fared in internationals. We also saw Sundar in Gabba and at home against Eng. Let your eyes be the judge, what technical deficiency or shortcoming in temperament do you see in Sundar that can be honed in FC?

 

Smith hardly set FC on fire before firing away in test cricket. Labu had a FC average of 32 or 33 when he got his call. Sometimes exceptions must be made for generational talents. How much FC experience did Sachin have before being sent away to face Imran, the 2 Ws, Qadir? Shami, Bumrah were fast tracked but Ranji legends like Vinay Kumar and Unadkat weren't, why? Not saying Sundar will definitely reach that level but clearly he has immense potential and must be backed, will trust him to shine more than these fading seniors and domestic stalwarts. I see him as a middle order prospect, but even if you (and few others) see him as Ashwin's successor it must be noted that Ashwin too was trusted to deliver in test cricket before he had created some records in domestic. With some players you must take the leap of faith instead of wasting years, Sundar has shown he fits in that category. 

 

 

agree with all of the post, but stewie (steven smith) actually had FC avg of nearly 50 when he debuted - it's just that stoopid Aus management tried to shoehorn him as AR.

 

adding to your post, there are several test players who did average or were inexperienced in FC and proved to do well in tests. the list ranges from ancients like FS Jackson and Colin Milburn to modern examples like Wasim Akram, Michael Vaughan, Marco Jansen, Harry Brook, Jayden Seales, etc.

 

as @Gollum has written, one has to take a punt on such players. sometimes it works, sometimes it won't. but if you don't try, you will never know.

 

Moreover, I see a way for Iyer, sarfaraz, and sundar to all exist in MO at least in SC, along with pant.

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28 minutes ago, Vijy said:

agree with all of the post, but stewie (steven smith) actually had FC avg of nearly 50 when he debuted - it's just that stoopid Aus management tried to shoehorn him as AR.

 

adding to your post, there are several test players who did average or were inexperienced in FC and proved to do well in tests. the list ranges from ancients like FS Jackson and Colin Milburn to modern examples like Wasim Akram, Michael Vaughan, Marco Jansen, Harry Brook, Jayden Seales, etc.

 

as @Gollum has written, one has to take a punt on such players. sometimes it works, sometimes it won't. but if you don't try, you will never know.

 

Moreover, I see a way for Iyer, sarfaraz, and sundar to all exist in MO at least in SC, along with pant.

Not the Aus management but Smith himself used the allrounder card to enter into Aussie team. But his focus was always batting while bowling was just a way to enter into the team. In case of Sundar. he was always a proper batsman who could bowl a bit but his early success with the ball in IPL type caste him as a bowler.

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Just now, rkt.india said:

Not the Aus management but Smith himself used the allrounder card to enter into Aussie team. But his focus was always batting while bowling was just a way to enter into the team.

yes, he also overplayed his bowling, but I was in Oz near the time of his debut. many papers were portraying him as a new shane warne successor who could bat to some extent, when in reality it was the other way around

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10 hours ago, Vijy said:

neither he nor sarfaraz nor patidar nor mayank nor jaiswal

 

Why would selectors do that, it would hurt the ego of seniors.

Our team has become a mediocre bunch of batters, who keep on failing in the challenging conditions only to be rescued by the lefties down the order (Pant, Jadeja, Axar) and Ashwin.

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