putrevus Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: we only have astros in big cities and stadiums with odd astros dotted around. As most of the player demographics is from the rural side, im sure there isnt the availability of astros so kids start of their hockey journey on grass.. how is this ideal. The skill was missing.Beating opponent with dribble and stickwork was missing. They were neither strong nor had any skills, I was suprised how well players from other teams handled the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: we only have astros in big cities and stadiums with odd astros dotted around. As most of the player demographics is from the rural side, im sure there isnt the availability of astros so kids start of their hockey journey on grass.. how is this ideal. There are lot of things you can do on hard surface which simulates astro. Astro is being blamed, problems are deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, putrevus said: The skill was missing.Beating opponent with dribble and stickwork was missing. They were neither strong nor had any skills, I was suprised how well players from other teams handled the stick. We dint have the skill to dribble on astros. We have tough players but they don't have the stick skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Khota said: You only dominate if you have speed. India does not. I disagree, yes you need speed but if you have exception skills, you can compensate little. speedracer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Khota said: You only dominate if you have speed. India does not. Yes india does lack speed on flanks. Ageing side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 27 minutes ago, Khota said: There are lot of things you can do on hard surface which simulates astro. Astro is being blamed, problems are deeper. Well its not just astros... We dont have coaches who first teach kids at grassroot level the modern way of fast long stroke hockey.. the focus is on dribbing and stick control so by the time they end up playing on astros later they take longer to adapt those sticks skills on a brand new surface. Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 48 minutes ago, putrevus said: I disagree, yes you need speed but if you have exception skills, you can compensate little. You need skills too, but pushing the ball through gaps, you need speed. Lots of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 49 minutes ago, speedracer said: Yes india does lack speed on flanks. Ageing side. OfCourse flanks need to be fast but to counter flanks defense needs to be fast too. I have seen Dutch play live; they have some serious speed. rollingstoned and speedracer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said: we only have astros in big cities and stadiums with odd astros dotted around. As most of the player demographics is from the rural side, im sure there isnt the availability of astros so kids start of their hockey journey on grass.. how is this ideal. For a population of 1.4 billion it is highly impossible for any govt to create the infrastructure you see in Europe and Australia. What we need is skillful players who grow up with their skills to transition to power game after junior level.That is doable as long as players are skillful. Edited January 23 by putrevus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, putrevus said: For a population of 1.4 billion it is highly impossible for any govt to create the infrastructure you see in Europe and Australia. What we need is skillful players who grow up with their skills to transition to power game after junior level.That is doable as long as players are skillful. Its like saying kids who grow up playing cricket on bouncy pitches somehow have the skills to play on spinning tracks.. Hockey isn't like Tennis or Cricket which has different types of surfaces in game to allow for different styles of players.. hockey is a one surface type sport which need the skills to play on that surface throughout your journey as a player- you cant just transition overnight to another surface and have the same speed and ball control and power. Its impossible hence the conclusion is we wont ever be competitive seriously at international hockey to challenge Europeans Chakdephatte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Another massive upset. Argentina choked by Koreans. Lost after being 5-3 up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 This 1.4 is a wrong way of looking at things. More than the population, the culture matters along with secondary factors like availability of resources, price of equipment, genes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 @LordPrabhzy any reason there are so many Punjabis in national side. From whatever I have heard, eastern state love Hockey the most. Chattisgarh and Odisha in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said: @LordPrabhzy any reason there are so many Punjabis in national side. From whatever I have heard, eastern state love Hockey the most. Chattisgarh and Odisha in particular. Initially Punjab was the centre of Hockey. Now im not sure why there needs to be a regional side to things. The domestic process should be able to provide the same grassroot infrastructure in every state and pick the best players from the whole country to represent India. Not sure why there is a bias with Punjab players than eastern state players.. is it state federation politics who knows. I cant comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: As i said before, Hockey in Europe pays peanuts for most players, YET their club scene has great players who work part time as well AND win Gold medals and World cups, same with Australia. These sports are not even watched by most people in the country- they play this for a hobby and still wipe the floors with India.. who use this as a way of securing a job and some regional fame. No wonder our cupboards are bare and the money is only spent in infrastructure. Like punjab has probs 3/4 times the players than Odisha at grassroots so there should be astroturfs in every district of the state but its not the case and coaches cannot teach modern fast hockey on grass-- how the hell are we going to compete at international level. All things considered we are competitive at the highest levels in hockey inspite of these problems. Something to keep working towards and take heart from me thinks if you had to put a positive spin on it. The Koreans are doing the basics well too. speedracer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 19 hours ago, Chakdephatte said: This 1.4 is a wrong way of looking at things. More than the population, the culture matters along with secondary factors like availability of resources, price of equipment, genes, etc. Genes bs is such a rubbish excuse. We best these sides in combat sports quite often in Olympics. It's about resources, allocation of it, access to nutrition etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 17 hours ago, rollingstoned said: All things considered we are competitive at the highest levels in hockey inspite of these problems. Something to keep working towards and take heart from me thinks if you had to put a positive spin on it. The Koreans are doing the basics well too. This exactly. Also in Olympics we were really unlucky not to get to finals. We were robbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, speedracer said: This exactly. Also in Olympics we were really unlucky not to get to finals. We were robbed. Not an expert but I feel the aspects of the game we need to work on can be improved more easily than what we are still somewhat good at ie stick skills and dribbling. Fitness and penalty corner routines are not as dependent on skill as much as practising it mechanically, the hockey equivalent of free kick and corners. Game in general now is polarised toward teams who play with greater intensity and physicality. Edited January 24 by rollingstoned speedracer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Spain gave Australia a proper scare. Were 2 up before the end of the swcond quarter when they conceded in the last 5 seconds and missed a pen stroke within the last 5 minutes which would've evened up the game and sent it to a shoot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Harmanpreet's chokejob this tournament was worse than that of our cricketers in last 10 years. Total mental collapse, shouldn't have been given captaincy. rollingstoned and Frustrated 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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