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Hockey World Cup 2023- India


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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

For a population of 1.4 billion it is highly impossible for any govt to create the infrastructure you see in Europe and Australia. What we need is skillful players who grow up with their skills to transition to power game after junior level.That is doable as long as players are skillful.

 

Its like saying kids who grow up playing cricket on bouncy pitches somehow have the skills to play on spinning tracks..

 

Hockey isn't like Tennis or Cricket which has different types of surfaces in game to allow for different styles of players.. hockey is a one surface type sport which need the skills to play on that surface throughout your journey as a player- you cant just transition overnight to another surface and have the same speed and ball control and power. Its impossible hence the conclusion is we wont ever be competitive seriously at international hockey to challenge Europeans

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14 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

@LordPrabhzy any reason there are so many Punjabis in national side. From whatever I have heard, eastern state love Hockey the most. Chattisgarh and Odisha in particular. 

Initially Punjab was the centre of Hockey.

 

Now im not sure why there needs to be a regional side to things. The domestic process should be able to provide the same grassroot infrastructure in every state and pick the best players from the whole country to represent India. Not sure why there is a bias with Punjab players than eastern state players.. is it state federation politics who knows. I cant comment

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8 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

As i said before, Hockey in Europe pays peanuts for most players, YET their club scene has great players who work part time as well AND win Gold medals and World cups, same with Australia. These sports are not even watched by most people in the country- they play this for a hobby and still wipe the floors with India.. who use this as a way of securing a job and some regional fame. No wonder our cupboards are bare and the money is only spent in infrastructure.

 

Like punjab has probs 3/4 times the players than Odisha at grassroots so there should be astroturfs in every district of the state but its not the case and coaches cannot teach modern fast hockey on grass-- how the hell are we going to compete at international level.

All things considered we are competitive at the highest levels in hockey inspite of these problems. Something to keep working towards and take heart from me thinks if you had to put a positive spin on it. 

The Koreans are doing the basics well too. 

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19 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

This 1.4 is a wrong way of looking at things. More than the population, the culture matters along with secondary factors like availability of resources, price of equipment, genes, etc.

Genes bs is such a rubbish excuse. We best these sides in combat sports quite often in Olympics. It's about resources, allocation of it, access to nutrition etc

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17 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

All things considered we are competitive at the highest levels in hockey inspite of these problems. Something to keep working towards and take heart from me thinks if you had to put a positive spin on it. 

The Koreans are doing the basics well too. 

This exactly. Also in Olympics we were really unlucky not to get to finals. We were robbed. 

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7 minutes ago, speedracer said:

This exactly. Also in Olympics we were really unlucky not to get to finals. We were robbed. 

Not an expert but I feel the aspects of the game we need to work on can be improved more easily than what we are still somewhat good at ie stick skills and dribbling. Fitness and penalty corner routines are not as dependent on skill as much as practising it mechanically, the hockey equivalent of free kick and corners. 

Game in general now is polarised toward teams who play with greater intensity and physicality. 

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We dominated NZ in that game, were the much better side, still lost, happens. Like Brazil vs Croatia in the recent FIFA QF. 

 

But our overall performance after the Spain and England games was worrying. No team is going to go deep with a 10% PC conversion, that sealed our fate. Too much dependence on the skipper, other PC takers not sufficiently groomed. Fitness too was bad and played like old India in dying stages, despite circle penetrations we didn't have any clear plan, nerves as well. We actually played brilliantly in Tokyo, crushing Arg, Esp, NZ, Jap, GBR, controlling Bel until that Manpreet yellow card (umpiring fraud), beating Ger in bronze playoff. Here even if we had beaten NZ, the path ahead was insurmountable with Bel/Aus in QF/SF. We didn't play anywhere near the level to challenge those sides this time. 

 

Sreejesh has a worthy successor in Krishan Pathak, that's the main positive from this tourney. Thank you to  Odisha govt for making this happen, pity our team didn't do well. 

 

Back to the drawing board again, Asian Games this year, Olympics next year. No time to sit and cry. 

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Penalty shootout is so random. Korea beating Argentina was a bigger upset than NZ beating India tbh., the way  Arg scared Aussies, I thought they would be dark horses

 

These things happen in sports, Indian fans should have patience, no sporting revolution happens overnight. Give it a decade or two, just continue the backing. If we can support our cricket team after 10 years of ICC screw ups that too against jokes like Pakistan and Lanka, surely our other sportspersons should get some leeway. 

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Belgium without Hendrickx is there for the taking. Aussies have become chokers in KOs recently but on paper they are better than Belgium. Dutch are looking ominous as well. 

 

Btw how big a miss was Hardik for us!!! The first two games, he was playing at another level, very unfortunate injury. 

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On 1/23/2023 at 9:30 AM, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Its like saying kids who grow up playing cricket on bouncy pitches somehow have the skills to play on spinning tracks..

 

Hockey isn't like Tennis or Cricket which has different types of surfaces in game to allow for different styles of players.. hockey is a one surface type sport which need the skills to play on that surface throughout your journey as a player- you cant just transition overnight to another surface and have the same speed and ball control and power. Its impossible hence the conclusion is we wont ever be competitive seriously at international hockey to challenge Europeans

You are still  not getting the point, When large percentage of population is not having enough to eat, you want govt to spend money on astro turfs.

 

The only option left is Indian hockey becoming self sufficient with their own funds and spread the game to grass roots level. That is not the case now , so only option left is groom the talented players who are junior level and hope they transition from grass to turf.

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Bel-NZ game was so pathetic. NZ never even tried to win, whole game was played in their half. India would have made a far more exciting game, even in our heavy losses against the top dogs we manage to give them plenty of scares. This parking the bus in own half and hoping to minimize margin of defeat is the trait of losers. Mohun Bagan, Mohmd Sporting did that a couple of times in friendlies against European giants like Bayern Munich. Same mentality on display today. This 0-2 defeat only looks good on paper. 

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59 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You are still  not getting the point, When large percentage of population is not having enough to eat, you want govt to spend money on astro turfs.

 

The only option left is Indian hockey becoming self sufficient with their own funds and spread the game to grass roots level. That is not the case now , so only option left is groom the talented players who are junior level and hope they transition from grass to turf.

LOL and where will will the funds come from? TV rights? not really..  Sponsors? Not much more than right now.. spectators? the way they are playing they wont have any interest outside Odisha

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3 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

LOL and where will will the funds come from? TV rights? not really..  Sponsors? Not much more than right now.. spectators? the way they are playing they wont have any interest outside Odisha

Lol it is very  simple. if the funds don't come , the only way is players will get to play on turfs only after reaching certain level.You cannot blame govt or IHF.

 

 

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