Dew impact on ODI WC 2023 - Early starts needed

[sandeep]

Ashwin has gone on record asking for earlier match start times, Rohit has agreed on paper that it would be a good idea but openly signaled that TV and commercial considerations may impact the decision.

 

Bottomline is that Dew in India is a genuine problem, one that completely changes the conditions and makes it unfair for the bowling team defending a total.  

 

India is one of the top 3-4 contenders for the WC - that in itself isn't saying much, ODI cricket is pretty much a 3 or 4 horse race in terms of consistent teams, but given that we are competitive, its in our interests, and in the interests of cricket the sport, and the ICC, to have a WC tournament where the game outcomes are driven more by players' skill, execution, and less due to dew and such silly factors.  

 

There will need to be a major public outcry to push back against the greedy broadcasters desires to milk more and more, and MORE, ad revenue from the tournament.  In the absolute worst case scenario, it is easily feasible to afford to provide discounts in cash or kind to the broadcasters in return for their hypothetical revenue reduction due to starting WC ODI games a couple of hours earlier.  Not that I think this should be necessary.  

 

But the cricket media, the players, administrators etc - and not just in India - at the ICC level, need to focus on this question and make the necessary adjustment.  

 

The sport will be better for it.  

[nitinbwj]

Imagine a team scoring 200 in 20 after 6 down due to this dew. No total will be safe 

[cricketfan28]

Agree, but probably won't happen , some experts will say "champions shouldn't complain."

[Nikhil_cric]

1:30 is already an early start for a day night game. We used to have D/N games starting at 2:30 or even 3 in the afternoon in years gone by and chasing did not get this easy in the 2nd innings. 

[raki05]

Ya it should be day games if winter especially knockouts. All knockouts should be day games. In OCt-Nov there will be few in all part of India.

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, raki05 said:

Ya it should be day games if winter especially knockouts. All knockouts should be day games. In OCt-Nov there will be few in all part of India.

Day ODIs haven't been played in India since 2015.  Also , 9 AM starts? No broadcaster today will agree to that.  Match will be done and dusted by the time even school kids get back home let alone office goers.

 

2011 World Cup had 2:30 pm starts and the only time the pitches got better while chasing were when they created pitches that were flat to begin with

 

 

 

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Day ODIs haven't been played in India since 2015.  Also , 9 AM starts? No broadcaster today will agree to that.  Match will be done and dusted by the time even school kids get back home let alone office goers.

 

2011 World Cup had 2:30 pm starts and the only time the pitches got better while chasing were when they created pitches that were flat to begin with

 

 

 

Yes 2011 they created very balance pitch. But if you see the final match barring pressure of final pitch got lot easier and ball started coming nicely after first 10 overs of our inning. That was an important reason we chased down that target, even in QF against aus. We also remember what happened in wt20 sf against wi. So either match should start lot early by 11:30 or latest by 12:30 ,or it will be huge disadvantage to batting first team during ko. I know it will be not good for broadcaster but then we can't sustain other wc loss that too at home due to dew.

[SRT100]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Ya it should be day games if winter especially knockouts. All knockouts should be day games. In OCt-Nov there will be few in all part of India.

I agree with you.

 

However, Its irrelevant.

 

BCCI is a billion dollar industry, all that matters is the TV rights and the money generated from that. Its why D/N ODI will always be played.

 

If the BCCI had any intelligence, they would schedule games just an hour or two earlier. Would make the world of difference, at least for India's games.

[R!TTER]

39 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Yes 2011 they created very balance pitch. But if you see the final match barring pressure of final pitch got lot easier and ball started coming nicely after first 10 overs of our inning. That was an important reason we chased down that target, even in QF against aus. We also remember what happened in wt20 sf against wi. So either match should start lot early by 11:30 or latest by 12:30 ,or it will be huge disadvantage to batting first team during ko. I know it will be not good for broadcaster but then we can't sustain other wc loss that too at home due to dew.

12:30 is better overall and 2011 can't be compared to Autumn/early winter here.

[sandeep]

4 hours ago, raki05 said:

Yes 2011 they created very balance pitch. But if you see the final match barring pressure of final pitch got lot easier and ball started coming nicely after first 10 overs of our inning. That was an important reason we chased down that target, even in QF against aus. We also remember what happened in wt20 sf against wi. So either match should start lot early by 11:30 or latest by 12:30 ,or it will be huge disadvantage to batting first team during ko. I know it will be not good for broadcaster but then we can't sustain other wc loss that too at home due to dew.

people forget that even England managed to tie us in 2011 group stage - and England at that point was a crap ODI team - due to the advantage of batting second.  In spite of the older ball that was in use back then.  With 2 balls being used in ODIs, this conditions advantage is even more lopsided, and add to this that we have the 4 outfielder rule for 30 overs instead of 10, and 10 years of big hitting evolution from T20s changing batting mindsets.

 

Dew is a huge issue, and needs to be addressed.

[Lord]

What about the spray and other tools they use to reduce dew?

 

Maybe allow ball change if it gets really wet

[Chakdephatte]

Ashwin addressed it in this video

 

 

 

Rohit backed the suggestion in press conference.

[SM2907]

If it gets in the zone of win toss win match batting second, viewership will automatically come down. Start early is the key.to finish before dew comes in