Bigg Brother Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/21/2023 at 8:59 AM, raki05 said: Lol look at Bhuvi he is worst of all....but we have a thread for the great man to be returned for loi. 35 avg.. Apparently he is wicket taker who has ability to knock off few with new ball. Fraud of highest order... Edited January 22 by Bigg Brother raki05 1 Link to comment
speedracer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Greatest pacers ever from Asia. Based on performance vs big sides in test. Taken out india from wasim paji and Waqar pav bhaji As in excluded all india pak h2h games. Bumrah aka chookrah avg 24 vs phoren sena Imran khan 26.17 had to include w.indies here Wasim bhai 28.7 avg vs sewa Shamza shami at 30.17 vs sena Wacqar at 30.39 vs sena Could change to sewa I suppose but ok. Kapil bhaji 34 vs sewai Shaoib 35 vs sena So even in bowling india bowlers are ahead roflmao. Kya bhaat hain. Yeh bhi waat lagi. Edited January 22 by speedracer Link to comment
speedracer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 As for the thread. Sorry for derailing but here are bhuvi stats vs sena in odi. Bhuvi was a good test bowler but a complete fraud in odi Averages 74.5 vs sena away 74.5. Let that sink in. Average of 200 vs s Africa. 200 roflmao Vilander, singhvivek141, raki05 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, Lord said: he declined badly since 2018 Actually he was worse before that. His average actually improved. His average used to be 38 once. singhvivek141, Majestic, Lord and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Rightarmfast said: Controversial comment, but I think Kapil Dev would be a great support bowler. Not the strike bowler. There just werent any other pacers for that too happen. Srinath was a great bowler, but I think he was a better test bowler. Level 1- Bumrah, Shami, Zaheer, Siraj ( Early to say), Srinath In between Level 1 and 2- Kapil, Irfan Level 2- Agarkar, Nehra, Sreesanth, Ishant Sharma Level 3- Many.... Maybe RP Singh, Agarkar in ODIs was a wicket taker..my assumption would be that in present era, his economy would be close to 6 but average around 26-27. Rightarmfast and raki05 2 Link to comment
speedracer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, Lord said: he declined badly since 2018 Bhuvi averages 74. Whopping 74 vs sena in odi. Siraj will be the next great odi bowler. Lord and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 The two best Indian team would have bowling attack as: India A - Kapil, Harbhajan, Kumble, Zak, Bumrah( Zak over Shami because having left armers always an advantage in ODIs) India B - Pathan, Kuldeep, Shami, Srinath, Chahal India C - Jadeja, Agarkar, Nehra, Siraj, V Prasad Link to comment
Majestic Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Rightarmfast said: Controversial comment, but I think Kapil Dev would be a great support bowler. Not the strike bowler. There just werent any other pacers for that too happen. Srinath was a great bowler, but I think he was a better test bowler. Level 1- Bumrah, Shami, Zaheer, Siraj ( Early to say), Srinath In between Level 1 and 2- Kapil, Irfan Level 2- Agarkar, Nehra, Sreesanth, Ishant Sharma Level 3- Many.... Maybe RP Singh, Add V Prasad in level 2 also.. Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 10 hours ago, Lord said: he declined badly since 2018 His peak was in CT 2013...when stats was decent. Post that he has been mediocre apart from odd performances here and there under favourable conditions. Umesh Yadav has given more performances than him, but he is ridiculed for his inconsistency. Edited January 22 by singhvivek141 Lord and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, speedracer said: As for the thread. Sorry for derailing but here are bhuvi stats vs sena in odi. Bhuvi was a good test bowler but a complete fraud in odi Averages 74.5 vs sena away 74.5. Let that sink in. Average of 200 vs s Africa. 200 roflmao He wasn't that good even in tests, post 2013/14 he was exclusively played on green tops in India - that Kolkata game vs NZ in 2016, then again vs SL in 2017 & a few in between? He was good on surfaces that suited him & his style of bowling but MS ran him into the ground in 2014 Eng & he was never fully fit for 2-3 tests in a row after that! speedracer 1 Link to comment
speedracer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, R!TTER said: He wasn't that good even in tests, post 2013/14 he was exclusively played on green tops in India - that Kolkata game vs NZ in 2016, then again vs SL in 2017 & a few in between? He was good on surfaces that suited him & his style of bowling but MS ran him into the ground in 2014 Eng & he was never fully fit for 2-3 tests in a row after that! Yes absolutely but he was doing really well in sen conditions and on Indian pitches that had some green on it. He did well in w.indies too iirc. Can't remember. He only struggled in Australia and turning pitches. At his best in tests he was a philtrundler level bowler. Very condition dependent but a very good bowler for those conditions. Perfect way to stat pad like these gora chora bowlers on juicy tracks. Ngidi, Jansen rabada and Cummins all stat pad on bouncy or seaming wickets. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yes ideally if he stayed fit for the 2018 tests in Eng we might've had better results, but for some reasons Brat decided to play him in that ODI just before the series & we got *ed because of that or maybe he never really wanted to play the tests himself & did that stunt to ensure he doesn't have to play! Lord, raki05 and speedracer 1 2 Link to comment
speedracer Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Yes ideally if he stayed fit for the 2018 tests in Eng we might've had better results, but for some reasons Brat decided to play him in that ODI just before the series & we got *ed because of that or maybe he never really wanted to play the tests himself & did that stunt to ensure he doesn't have to play! Possibly. We would have won in 2018 back in England and probably nz in 2020 too. He'll if we had picked siraj over chukrah in the finals and even that nz series earlier we would have won as chukrah was choking and just back from injury. He bowled the worst in the final. Fkn pathetic. Everyone else bowled well except him. Link to comment
raki05 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 @sandeep what you have to say about Bhuvi now, who has been one of the worst odi bowler played for so long with overall 35 avg and against sena giving competition to barber Azam with 74 avg. SRT100, sandeep and adi B 1 2 Link to comment
Grand_Design Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Irfan Pathan had a very good strike rate in the Powerplay by our standards anyway. Not sure about pre 1999. But 1999 onwards, he was one of our best. Link to comment
Majestic Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grand_Design said: Irfan Pathan had a very good strike rate in the Powerplay by our standards anyway. Not sure about pre 1999. But 1999 onwards, he was one of our best. Irfan was a quality bowler till he was good enough. Problem was he faded away after few good years which is why ended up with only 170 wickets. By 2006, he was having 114 wickets at 25 with economy of 5. Edited January 22 by Majestic Link to comment
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Majestic Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Let us also look at total international wickets of all fast bowlers for India :- Kapil Dev - 687( AVG 28) Zaheer Khan - 597( AVG 31) Javagal Srinath - 551( AVG 29) Ishant Sharma - 434( AVG 32) Mohammad Shami - 399(AVG 26) Ajit Agarkar - 349(AVG 31) Jasprit Bumrah - 319(AVG 22) Irfan Pathan - 301( AVG 29) Bumrah and Shami are well behind in terms of wickets tally compared to top three. Link to comment
zen Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 20 minutes ago, Majestic said: Bumrah and Shami are well behind in terms of wickets tally compared to top three. So? Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 37 minutes ago, Majestic said: Let us also look at total international wickets of all fast bowlers for India :- Kapil Dev - 687( AVG 28) Zaheer Khan - 597( AVG 31) Javagal Srinath - 551( AVG 29) Ishant Sharma - 434( AVG 32) Mohammad Shami - 399(AVG 26) Ajit Agarkar - 349(AVG 31) Jasprit Bumrah - 319(AVG 22) Irfan Pathan - 301( AVG 29) Bumrah and Shami are well behind in terms of wickets tally compared to top three. Shami missed many matches due to our TM's fetish of playing Bhuvi. Else he would have crossed 250 wickets in ODI by now. Lord and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
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