Indians have forgotten how to bat against any kind of spin

[Lord]

Gambhir made a good point yesterday. All the practice in nets against spinners is big hitting and hitting sixes. No one even practices nudging the ball and finding gaps etc,

[zen]

In T20s, scores are touching 190; in ODIs, 340, therefore, the batsmen are not necessarily looking to “milk” the spinners (unless facing a high reputed bowler like Rashid Khan who is approached differently). 

 

If a team comes across an extreme bowling friendly track, it will take it in its stride and move on. 

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by zen

[Texan]

53 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

There are different types of treacherous pitches. One is unplayable. Other one is playable but difficult, Then slightly difficult slow turner  Current crop will fail in all.  The threshold is seriously low for the current crop.

That's true. Nobody can play on an unplayable pitch. You just have to be lucky. 

 

On the other two, we had many players in the past who were good at playing on such pitches. Sehwag and VVS were probably the best. Azhar was pretty good too. 

 

And whoever said Kohli is good at playing spin has clearly not been watching his dismissals. He is pretty bad at playing spin.

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Texan said:

That's true. Nobody can play on an unplayable pitch. You just have to be lucky. 

 

On the other two, we had many players in the past who were good at playing on such pitches. Sehwag and VVS were probably the best. Azhar was pretty good too. 

 

And whoever said Kohli is good at playing spin has clearly not been watching his dismissals. He is pretty bad at playing spin.

 

If these guys play in Ranji Trophy that will all be revealed. Random no name Ranji player is like to have more decisive feet movement compared to these guys. This is why i think India made a mistake of picking SKY over Sarfraz for Australian Tests. Sarfraz has bailed his side out from many tricky situations.

[nitinbwj]

Iyer is the best player of spin that we have and he is the ONLY clutch player that i trust to win us from impossible situations with some help. 

[rollingstoned]

On 1/28/2023 at 6:32 PM, singhvivek141 said:

n every era, we used to have players which were brutal against spin (Ganguly, Sehwag, Tendulkar), and due to their impact the opposition spinners always remain defensive. Even our other batters playing alongside them were decent against spin (except Yuvi).

I remember an ODI game against Nzl in India in '99 when Fleming didn't bowl Vettori for a single over throught the innings because Ganguly was at the crease and didn't get out. He even mentioned it after the game got over. 

[SRT100]

7 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Iyer is the best player of spin that we have and he is the ONLY clutch player that i trust to win us from impossible situations with some help. 

Correct I have no faith in any other batsman in our team.

After Iyer its Ashwin and Jaddu as batsman that I feel we can be reliant on for at least "some run contribution".

 

The result of each test on rank turners is going to be decided by less than 100 runs.

We need as many batsman as possible that can handle spin.

[nevada]

On 1/28/2023 at 5:39 PM, Chakdephatte said:

We were as good as we were ever. Comparing with pre IPL era cricketers makes zero sense. Spinners are doing more variations and bowling quick through air, are hiding the ball better than earlier. These things matter. In test cricket (conventional spin) we see the difference between quality of sides.

 

When in doubt, check when was the last time a SEA nation last won a test series in India.

Interesting point, and quite true. Batsmen across eras aren't comfortable against fast soin.  Anil Kumble was a fastish spinner and at the start of his career, bamboozled batsmen with speed. But they started playing him as a medium pacer and he wasnt "unplayable" anymore. He even got dropped from the team and made a comeback after adding variety to his bowling. From his time, Afridi was another fastish spinner. He used to clean bowl or lbw batsmen with his faster one. Bhajji used to bowl a yorker to restrict batsmen from scoring.