Venky declares Jihad against KL Rahul !!!

[Chakdephatte]

 

Now that's guts. Singlehandedly standing for Rahul when whole world is against him.

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

@raki05

[raki05]

32 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

@raki05

Jhopra is not standing up against the tide he is inline with bcci and tm thought process which is, kl has century in sa and eng so he should play everywhere even if he is sucking up from past 3 years and has avg of around 23.

[R!TTER]

[vvvslaxman]

Chopra is defending his career indirectly?  He himself was selected unjustly over Ramesh. Ramesh was the second highest run getter for India in SL series. In the tour game Ramesh did better than him.

 

In Tour games

 

Ramesh 87, 36, 21

Chopda  2, 55, 0

 

Yet Ganguly backed Chopda,

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/s-ramesh-interview-458132

[sandeep]

17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Chopra is defending his career indirectly?  He himself was selected unjustly over Ramesh. Ramesh was the second highest run getter for India in SL series. In the tour game Ramesh did better than him.

 

In Tour games

 

Ramesh 87, 36, 21

Chopda  2, 55, 0

 

Yet Ganguly backed Chopda,

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/s-ramesh-interview-458132

 

Ramesh was lazy, threw superstar airs, refused to do basic fitness work - John Wright was coach then and trying to modernize the Indian team setup.  The standards weren't that high, but as Wright said, the Indian team expected their practice sessions to be accompanied with tea and biscuits serivce.  "Tour game stats" are completely meaningless - most of those games, the host team gives you club level teams to practice against.  

 

Even Ramesh himself accepts his flaws in the very link you cited - 

Quote

"I sometimes wish I practised harder. I was never a Rahul Dravid. People like him and Kumble live and breathe cricket. South Indians rely a lot on talent and not much on big scores. They are happy with a 40 or a fifty. Dravid is a typical West Zone player who can bat for long hours."

 

This is a man who was "hard done by"? Guy is resorting to garbage stereo types to justify his lack of commitment and discipline.  The great batsman whose name you are using as your forum Id, he scored 10 centuries in Ranji to come back into the Indian team - and not playing at plate level for Kerala against faaltu teams.   If even the Tamil Nadu Ranji team decided that Ramesh didn't deserve a spot in their Ranji squad - let alone playing XI, why do you think this man somehow "deserved" a slot ahead of Chopra? 

 

Now Chopra was a limited player who got exposed at the international level and was rightly jettisoned.  Same with Ramesh.  

 

There have been players in the past who were hard done by - Pravin Amre is one of them, for example.  I would argue that VVS Laxman also did not get a fair shot in ODI cricket.  But to somehow dress up Sadagopan as a victim of anybody other than his own doing, is inaccurate.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

Ramesh was lazy, threw superstar airs, refused to do basic fitness work - John Wright was coach then and trying to modernize the Indian team setup.  The standards weren't that high, but as Wright said, the Indian team expected their practice sessions to be accompanied with tea and biscuits serivce.  "Tour game stats" are completely meaningless - most of those games, the host team gives you club level teams to practice against.  

 

Even Ramesh himself accepts his flaws in the very link you cited - 

 

This is a man who was "hard done by"? Guy is resorting to garbage stereo types to justify his lack of commitment and discipline.  The great batsman whose name you are using as your forum Id, he scored 10 centuries in Ranji to come back into the Indian team - and not playing at plate level for Kerala against faaltu teams.   If even the Tamil Nadu Ranji team decided that Ramesh didn't deserve a spot in their Ranji squad - let alone playing XI, why do you think this man somehow "deserved" a slot ahead of Chopra? 

 

Now Chopra was a limited player who got exposed at the international level and was rightly jettisoned.  Same with Ramesh.  

 

There have been players in the past who were hard done by - Pravin Amre is one of them, for example.  I would argue that VVS Laxman also did not get a fair shot in ODI cricket.  But to somehow dress up Sadagopan as a victim of anybody other than his own doing, is inaccurate.

 

 Akash chopra was not exactly fitness freak or a proven performer. Ramesh didn't go through string of failures and yet got persisted. He was the 2nd highest run getter in his very last series. Bottomline Akash chopra did not deserve to play ahead of Ramesh.  Whatever little he played at the internationals he did well enough. 

 

Here is India's performance against Pakistan in that 3 matches that had the attack (Waqar, Akram, Saqlain, Mushtaq. 

 

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

18 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

KL is failing consistently and he's not a one series failure. Likes of Mayank has gotten raw deal in comparison to chances which KL have got despite not performing in pressure games.

Kohli no one will dare because his PR fans will start giving maa-behen ki gaali to Venky or anyone on the SM platform. 

Brat Fans: @%^%$&^!#)*&%4&*(%(*&=?]*/)_+~

Chuckte Raho
TC

Edited February 21 by Throwaib_Chuckter

[diga]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 Akash chopra was not exactly fitness freak or a proven performer. Ramesh didn't go through string of failures and yet got persisted. He was the 2nd highest run getter in his very last series. Bottomline Akash chopra did not deserve to play ahead of Ramesh.  Whatever little he played at the internationals he did well enough. 

 

Here is India's performance against Pakistan in that 3 matches that had the attack (Waqar, Akram, Saqlain, Mushtaq. 

 

Pardon my ignorance.. thought Akash Chopra came in around 2003/04 series. This Pak series happened in 1999.  Ramesh's footwork was his Achilles heel. He was found out in Zim test against express pace after which Ind decided to move on.  Think you confused with Shiv Sundar Das who got a run of 2 years under Wright/Ganguly

[Nikola]

 

 

Read whole thread.

 

Edited February 21 by Nikola

[coffee_rules]

39 minutes ago, Nikola said:

 

 

Read whole thread.

 

Wtf! He’s on a personal crusade against everybody. Change the title to Venky Mama declares Jihad on all KL PR army

[Chakdephatte]

16 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Prasad's point is about his whole career. Not just last one year.  He obviously condemns about his continued selection based on the term "potential"

 

That's why I said he is targeting the person rather than his performance. He ignored the conditions we played in, averages of fellow batsmen as well as the opposition. No need to drag 'whole career' when he was dropped for past failures.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 Akash chopra was not exactly fitness freak or a proven performer. Ramesh didn't go through string of failures and yet got persisted. He was the 2nd highest run getter in his very last series. Bottomline Akash chopra did not deserve to play ahead of Ramesh.  Whatever little he played at the internationals he did well enough. 

 

Here is India's performance against Pakistan in that 3 matches that had the attack (Waqar, Akram, Saqlain, Mushtaq. 

 

This notion that one series performance will be carried over to rest of career is completely wrong.Ramesh had a decent series there is nothing more to it.He would have been exposed  the more matches he played, so you cannot use that single series to quantify his talent.

 

Bhajji took 32 wickets in 2001 series but he never ever repeated that performance again his career. One off series or match cannot be taken as stat measuring his future performances.

 

 

 

 

[Chakdephatte]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Wtf! He’s on a personal crusade against everybody. Change the title to Venky Mama declares Jihad on all KL PR army

 

See the urgency to put Chopra down and end the argument. Rather than I am right, he is saying you were wrong 11 years ago and have no right to argue with me.

[putrevus]

What is this idiotic defense of Rahul , see he scored 100s in England, SA and Australia so he is very good and talented. This guy has done nothing other than those innings.

 

Idiots need to stop comparing Kohli or even Pujara last three years stats to justify this bozo.Those two atleast have some body of work  , they have they stunk in last three years but this guy has stunk all his career of 7 years.

[Number]

Kela is a brother-in-law like figure to Akash 

 

[Stan AF]

I can't believe this shiittt.. Jeessus

[vvvslaxman]

47 minutes ago, putrevus said:

This notion that one series performance will be carried over to rest of career is completely wrong.Ramesh had a decent series there is nothing more to it.He would have been exposed  the more matches he played, so you cannot use that single series to quantify his talent.

 

Ramesh did play full series in Srilanka vs Murali and co. He was the second best. He didn't do badly enough to sidelined for Chopra. I did follow that series closely. Was surprised that they went with Chopra. There was every chance Ramesh could have cashed in on those roads. Between Chopra nad Ramesh, Ramesh did far better with his Test career than Chopra.

 

 

 

 

 

Comparison between Ramesh and Chopra. I did follow the series very carefully.  Ramesh was going to be a better bet. He was also a quick scorer. Chopra was picked ahead of him

[rollingstoned]

3 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

Ramesh was lazy, threw superstar airs, refused to do basic fitness work - John Wright was coach then and trying to modernize the Indian team setup.  The standards weren't that high, but as Wright said, the Indian team expected their practice sessions to be accompanied with tea and biscuits serivce.  "Tour game stats" are completely meaningless - most of those games, the host team gives you club level teams to practice against.  

 

Even Ramesh himself accepts his flaws in the very link you cited - 

 

This is a man who was "hard done by"? Guy is resorting to garbage stereo types to justify his lack of commitment and discipline.  The great batsman whose name you are using as your forum Id, he scored 10 centuries in Ranji to come back into the Indian team - and not playing at plate level for Kerala against faaltu teams.   If even the Tamil Nadu Ranji team decided that Ramesh didn't deserve a spot in their Ranji squad - let alone playing XI, why do you think this man somehow "deserved" a slot ahead of Chopra? 

 

Now Chopra was a limited player who got exposed at the international level and was rightly jettisoned.  Same with Ramesh.  

 

There have been players in the past who were hard done by - Pravin Amre is one of them, for example.  I would argue that VVS Laxman also did not get a fair shot in ODI cricket.  But to somehow dress up Sadagopan as a victim of anybody other than his own doing, is inaccurate.

Is he saying that players with similar numbers - if not slightly better with added context- like Ramesh, Das and Dhawan were dropped or that they all deserved a longer rope because he is getting it? The initial tweet he made when he mentioned them and Agarwal was quite reasonable. There is quite a difference between what he - from what I understood- said and what some people are assuming he said and so indulging in ad hominems. 

[vvvslaxman]

A meek guy with permanent constipated look has this many backers? Pretty sure brands that endorse him take care of this. I understand Kohli/Dhoni having massive following. Rohit to some extent. This guy did nothing heroic to have such following. Mostly it is going to be fake following fake support.