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Should India show large heartedness and bail out a failing Pakistan ?


rangeelaraja

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7 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

When the common man in Pak is hungry and starving - and sees that the enemy has surplus to feed entire Pak - it will create uprisings and revolt against the establishment there. We want the awam to revolt against the corrupt Pak army and topple them. 
 

 

They have been brought up with either fear or respect of the armed forces. It's unthinkable that they speak of what their army truly is. They'd rather go and speak about some army people being bad rather than take an entire swing at the institutional problem. 

 

This goes on and people will be clamouring for a military dictatorship... Not that it matters to us one bit as the military anyway calls the shots. But don't expect pakistani people to rise up against the army. Won't ever happen 

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Financial bail-out so the elites and military can keep on oppressing their own people?  No way. 

Giving food and medicinal supplies for ordinary Pakistanis?  Yes I think so.  We can take the moral high ground and it'd be a diplomatic win for India. 

 

There are long-term structural and cultural problems with Pakistani society that need to be dealt with.:

 

1. There has been no land reform. 

2. The military is always in the background ready to take over and is the only institution with any popular support in Pakistan as it's apparently all that stands between Pakistanis and Indian aggression (according to them). 

3. Pakistan's legal system need to secularised and the Hudood laws repealed, they do things that even most other Islamic countries don't do.

4. The culture of hatred towards India and Hindus needs to stop.

5. There needs to be properly-enforced taxation and redistribution in favour of people in poverty.  Even the IMF is saying this.

6. Pakistan is at a crossroads, they were the darlings of the US before and now they've got into bed with China with its Belt & Road imperialist project.  They need to stop being the pawns of superpowers.

7. They need proper education not Saudi sponsored madrassahs which churn out jihadis non-stop.

 

Pakistan really is a failed state.  It cannot perform even the most basic functions as a sovereign nation like feeding and educating its citizens.

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7 minutes ago, maggot_brain said:

Giving food and medicinal supplies for ordinary Pakistanis?  Yes I think so.  We can take the moral high ground and it'd be a diplomatic win for India. 

 

Deliver the produce on the Indian side of the border and let them pick the materials. Arrange for temporary visas for people to come in and pick them up (namely the charitable trusts... Trust there are enough of them in Pakistan which dont have any ties with militants nor the ruling establishment... The edhi trust for example). 

 

That's about all that india needs to do

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flood financing is ok in theory, but in practice much of it will make their fat cats fatter. I have been to Pak a few times, albeit a while ago, and what I noticed is that the level of disparity is tremendous and shocking. the fat cats lead lives so diff from that of normal folk. In Ind, too, we have our billionaires, but our millionaires don't live in completely closed-off bubbles (although this trend is increasing). however, in Pak, being upper-middle-class itself puts one completely out of touch with the common folk

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Not with these begairat establishment. These are no less than animals. They have wheat shortage and what they do, mix some powder in wheat floor to make it up for required quantity. they play with their awam which is $ucking not in some slumber but are totally dormant. You give them aid and these corrupt politicians will not let it reach to awam.

 

As long as we dont have a way to make our aid reach directly to the poor awam, we shouldnt help them. Let everyone realize what they have been doing for decades now.  

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