Lower your expectations - Rahul Dravid

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

The difference is Indian batsmen of that era were adept at playing on spinning tracks due to focus on first class cricket.... cricketers of today are preparing for their futures in IPL not test matches..

If they were so adept in playing spin, what happened to them against great Shawn Udal in 2006 in Mumbai. 100 all out.

 

The great Sachin , Dravid and Sehwag played that match.

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

chewt fans on this forum still waste their time opening match threads,

 

I plead guilty to this charge, Mi Laard.

Edited March 8, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, diga said:

 

 

Dravid says be realistic while you changed the headline to "lower" for more eyeballs.. 

 

What is the difference in this case?

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, The Realist said:

Dravid is not a coach, just pretending to be one - brings nothing to the table.

 

Play in a niche sport with made up of 3 main teams. Have the most resources, income, supporters and players. How much lower can expectations go?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Precisely. Only reason we are somehwere near the top is because most of the teams suck worse than us.

[putrevus]

Don't understand this notion some people have, most resources, supporters plus money does not equate to talent. They have been right there in knockouts for every tournament except one, you need some luck also.

 

India does not have the most talent , I don't know where do some people get this notion that India based on their population should have most talented teams also.

[speedracer]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don't understand this notion some people have, most resources, supporters plus money does not equate to talent. They have been right there in knockouts for every tournament except one, you need some luck also.

 

India does not have the most talent , I don't know where do some people get this notion that India based on their population should have most talented teams also.

India have plenty of talent. Old farts, nepotism, corruption is stopping us from selecting the right players. 

 

Oz win away from home wouldn't have happened without injuries. Even now in this test series kuldeep sarfraz sundar all should have been played yet we are stuck with these washed up old clowns. 

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, speedracer said:

India have plenty of talent. Old farts, nepotism, corruption is stopping us from selecting the right players. 

 

Oz win away from home wouldn't have happened without injuries. Even now in this test series kuldeep sarfraz sundar all should have been played yet we are stuck with these washed up old clowns. 

no they don't have talent. noone is stopping any talented player. They might be given their chances bit late but that is understandable given number of players.

 

Kuldeep could have been played but Sundar is nothing more than a bits and pieces player  stop hyping him into some great batsman.

 

One more thing people to stop is refer Gabba for everything. Gabba is not happening every day. India with the same team would lose 99 out 100 times. It was a perfect miracle so don't make it as if it is common occurance.

 

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by putrevus

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

 

India does not have the most talent , I don't know where do some people get this notion that India based on their population should have most talented teams also.

 

 

Whether we have the best talent or not .... we are definitely not utilizing whatever talent we have at the right time. And we are not making best use of whatever talent we have. 

 

There is nothing which can justify Rahane or Rahul playing so many tests or Kuldeep playing so few. 

Edited March 8, 2023 by express bowling

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Whether we have the best talent or not .... we are definitely not utilizing whatever talent we have at the tight time. And we are not making best use of whatever talent we have. 

 

There is nothing which can justify Rahane or Rahul playing so many tests or Kuldeep playing so few. 

I completely agree Rahane or Rahul should have never played that many tests. 

 

Majority of people here wanted Rahane to be full time test captain after Gabba test and no one here wanted Rohit Sharma to be in the test team let alone be the captain after that test.How things have a changed.

 

 

[Vilander]

Dravid has ruined his legacy with this coaching stint.

[Moochad]

What a loser mentality. Bring back bevdaa

[putrevus]

People were clamoring for Dravid and wanted to kick Shastri out. I don't see one good thing which has been done by Dravid so far as a coach.Everything has gone backwards. He got this job based on his friendship with Ganguly.

[Texan]

I have a lot of respect for Rahul Dravid as a player. I thought he was truly mentally tough, helped us win many games with his stubborn batting and generally, would rate his Test contributions above Sachin's.

 

However, as in many cases, good individual contributors don't always make for good leaders. This seems to be one of those cases. Time and again, Dravid and Rohit keep justifying poor performances by batsmen and don't ask for any accountability from them. Time and again, the same stuff is dished out that they don't need to prove anything to anybody. If they don't need to prove anything, then why are they even playing?

 

You need a leader who will challenge the team to greater heights and not accept mediocrity. Unfortunately both Dravid and Rohit are normalizing mediocrity under the garb of challenging conditions. They are making mediocrity sound like the new normal and that we should temper and lower our expectations to justify mediocre performances. All of this for what? To protect one or two individuals whose place in the team is taken for granted? Why? We have so many performers in domestic cricket. Why can't they be given a chance to excel instead of just accepting mediocrity and current status quo. 

 

I am dumbfounded my the extent to which our Team Management goes in protecting the interests of certain individual players at the cost of team performance. 

 

This is why these guys should be purely paid on the basis of team performance. Even the selectors should only get paid if team performs in critical tournaments/ series. Captains should be selected on a per series basis. No permanent captaincy and coach performance should also be measured by results. 

[Chakdephatte]

This thread reinforces my view that this is the worst place to talk cricket. If this is what to make of Dravid's statement, I have nothing to say. Don't expect batsmen to score heavily on these pitches- What can be wrong with this little statement? 

[Chakdephatte]

12 hours ago, Lord said:

yet Pant consistently scored on these pitches. Don't hide incompetency of batsmen through conditions.

 

Lower order has been outperforming main batsmen  for too long, even overseas

 

He has not played on a pitch as bad as the last two. Even if he has, some players are special than others. These are extreme examples.

[Chakdephatte]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Whether we have the best talent or not .... we are definitely not utilizing whatever talent we have at the right time. And we are not making best use of whatever talent we have. 

 

There is nothing which can justify Rahane or Rahul playing so many tests or Kuldeep playing so few. 

 

Rahane and Rahul is same for you! One played 80 matches on a trot. One is coming back so getting backed, which should be the case.

[speedracer]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

no they don't have talent. noone is stopping any talented player. They might be given their chances bit late but that is understandable given number of players.

 

Kuldeep could have been played but Sundar is nothing more than a bits and pieces player  stop hyping him into some great batsman.

 

One more thing people to stop is refer Gabba for everything. Gabba is not happening every day. India with the same team would lose 99 out 100 times. It was a perfect miracle so don't make it as if it is common occurance.

 

 

Sundar smashed England in India too. He is not a bit part player. This is exactly what a coolie tard would say. 

 

India have plenty of talent. Let me repeat that again. Plenty. You will see once the old farts leave, how much stronger India can actually be if they pick the right selections. 

 

And why debut them late? To accommodate the useless oldies. The useless trifecto cost us a series in sA, the last test in England and nearly cost us in Bangladesh. * off. 

We have way better talent sitting in the bench.

 

Average of our batsmen in top 5 is around 28 especially the 3 hot favourites. 

[speedracer]

3 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

He has not played on a pitch as bad as the last two. Even if he has, some players are special than others. These are extreme examples.

The pitches v england were much much worse in 2021 and he destroyed Lund along with sundar. 

 

And then you have this *wit moron putridevus say there is no talent rofl. All of you deserve this. People like him are the reason why we get this bozo dravid picking washed up old farts over young hungry lions who are significantly more talented.

[speedracer]

The same lowda thought Oz bowlers are better than Indian pacers in Asia rofl hahaha.

Scummins ran away with an average of 45.

Starc averages 50 in India

 

And then the same lowda was happy siraj debuted so late when he was already literally raping labushagne in A tours. In Oz land btw. 

 

With batting. Sundar bit part player hahah. Put it this way. Sundar has played a better match winning role in Oz than coolie has ever managed to in his entire career. 

 

When has coolie ever scored in a series deciding game? Ever? 

[vvvslaxman]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

Don't understand this notion some people have, most resources, supporters plus money does not equate to talent. They have been right there in knockouts for every tournament except one, you need some luck also.

 

India does not have the most talent , I don't know where do some people get this notion that India based on their population should have most talented teams also.

 

Phasing out players become increasingly harder.  So many external factors like sponsors, IPL owners play a part.  So many players undeservingly cling on to their spots. But for injuries Washington Sundar would have never played a single Test in his career. It was an accidental discovery.  So was Thakur.