Lower your expectations - Rahul Dravid

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

You can call it unfinished, unpolished. But you cannot say they are not talented.  Most of the upcoming Indian players are talented. Most of them have all the basic ingredients. just needs to hone their skills in certain areas something that all the cricketers have to do.

Most upcoming players are players who have come in last one or two years like Tilak and Jaiswal.

 

They have got nothing to do with lack of talented batsmen since Rohit and Kohli.

 

Kohli who is India's last all format batsman came up in 2008. What happened from 2008-2018.

 

Pant who is WK is not being counted he did come up during this time. 

 

Same thing with fast bowlers. It was the renaisannce of Ishant , Shami and Umesh to some extent that led to fast bowling  along with Bumrah being great for period between 2017-2021.

 

Siraj is the other talent who came up but he is far from being great yet.

 

Tilak might be first real middle order player who has come up after Yuvraj.

 

People like you already want Gill to be kicked out. Do we have anyone close to Bumrah in bowling?

Edited August 16, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, putrevus said:

Most upcoming players are players who have come in last one or two years like Tilak and Jaiswal.

 

They have got nothing to do with lack of talented batsmen since Rohit and Kohli.

 

Kohli who is India's last all format batsman came up in 2008. What happened from 2008-2021.

 

Pant who is WK is not being counted he did come up during this time. 

 

Same thing with fast bowlers. It was the renaisannce of Ishant , Shami and Umesh to some extent that led to fast bowling being great for period between 2017-2021.

 

Siraj is the other talent who came up but he is far from being great yet.

 

Tilak might be first real middle order player who has come up after Yuvraj.

 

People like you already want Gill to be kicked out.

 

Kohli was less talented than these guys when he started his career. He was one of those guys who got dropped right after he got selected.  It took years of backing for Rohit to come half good. Let us not put them in "talent" category if we don't consider these guys talent. 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Kohli was less talented than these guys when he started his career. He was one of those guys who got dropped right after he got selected.  It took years of backing for Rohit to come half good. Let us not put them in "talent" category if we don't consider these guys talent. 

If Rohit who was averaging 60 in FC before he got his debut call in 210 then who  not talented.Rohit would have been Bradman if all test matches were played in India. 

 

yes young players get dropped and then they come back .Noone stopped other players when Kohli and Sharma were getting their chances?  They came up thru the ranks.Kohli overtook both Raina and Sharma who made their debut earlier than him to play in 2011.

 

Now with IPL there are more avenues for players, Players like Krunal Pandya made their debut for India and played matches during this time, if he could play for India , has anyone stopped your so called talented players  in last decade to play for India.

Edited August 16, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If Rohit who was averaging 60 in FC before he got his debut call in 210 then who  not talented.Rohit would have been Bradman if all test matches were played in India. 

 

yes young players get dropped and then they come back .No stopped other players when Kohli and Sharma were getting their chances?  They came up thru the ranks.Kohli overtook both Raina and Sharma who made their debut earlier than him to play in 2011.

 

Now with IPL there are more avenues for players, Players like Krunal Pandya made their debut for India and played matches during this time, if he could play for India , has anyone stopped your so called talented players  in last decade to play for India.

 

 

Yes.  The so called seniors did stop them. In Indian history on no occasion 3 or more players kept getting picked even after sucking for 3 long years.  You don't really have any talent to average 30 plus for 4 years.. LIterally any domestic player could have done. Jaiswal already showed  that. Shreyas Iyer already showed that. Sundar with limited chances showed that. With enough experience they will also improve. India drew a test at the SCG and won a test at the Gabba without those "so called" talents.  Even in Bangladesh contribution of those seniors in the final test was almost nothing.

[putrevus]

56 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Yes.  The so called seniors did stop them. In Indian history on no occasion 3 or more players kept getting picked even after sucking for 3 long years.  You don't really have any talent to average 30 plus for 4 years.. LIterally any domestic player could have done. Jaiswal already showed  that. Shreyas Iyer already showed that. Sundar with limited chances showed that. With enough experience they will also improve. India drew a test at the SCG and won a test at the Gabba without those "so called" talents.  Even in Bangladesh contribution of those seniors in the final test was almost nothing.

In those three years with Rahane and Pujara they won a unwinnable series in Australia in Jan 2021  you suddenly want them to dropped after that series.

 

Guy like Kohli getting chances was for a reason. You don't discard a guy like Kohli who has scored 76 international 100s just like that when he is 34 and fit.They gave him all the chances they could to him and if they want to start fresh in all formats , that is fine too..

 

They made Rohit the captain and you want him to kicked out,  Shreya Iyer showed he can play , so he was given chances in all formats, if he gets injured how is it anyone else fault.

 

Pujara and Rahane were dropped after SA but Iyer got hurt?Pujara deceived/stilldeciving by scoring runs against trundlers in England.

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2023 by putrevus

[ThirtyD.]

Gangulys impact as BCCI president has been quite negative and Dravid is a clearly demonstrating that on daily basis. Many of us thought that Ganguly will bring positive change to the way BCCI has been running but he proves otherwise by electing RSD for a coaching role with very little credentials (mentoring U19 kids is quite different to managing Indian men’s team).

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[Nikhil_cric]

On 8/16/2023 at 9:49 PM, Suhaan said:

They are actually phasing out Indian cricket

Posters like 'putra'will phase out ICF in similar lines(with their same old rants,no tailunt no tailunt)

And supporting mediocre players in key positions despite all the evidence pointing to the fact that there are better players for said roles.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Nikhil_cric

[Vijy]

I did a very good job of lowering my expectations to negative infinity. unfortunately, after asia cup win and now the series win vs Oz, expectations are rising. need to firmly clamp down on them, given our record in ODI WC KOs

[vvvslaxman]

40 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I did a very good job of lowering my expectations to negative infinity. unfortunately, after asia cup win and now the series win vs Oz, expectations are rising. need to firmly clamp down on them, given our record in ODI WC KOs

 

Don't forget we finished the top of the table going into semi final in 2019 world cup even ahead of England :) 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Don't forget we finished the top of the table going into semi final in 2019 world cup even ahead of England :) 

Yeah but we didn't start off as favourites going into that World Cup by any stretch of the imagination. England were clear, clear favourites. We were ranked #2.

 

This time it's different.  

 

#1 ranked side.

 

Last 2 years(since Oct 5 , 2021), we have been the 2nd fastest-scoring side (against top 8 teams) only very slightly behind South Africa. OZ and England are 3rd and 4th

 

Highest W/L ratio against top 8 sides in the same time period

 

Squad experience(especially batting) up there with OZ, England and NZ.  PAK and SA fall shot here.

 

 

All the predictors of WC success are firmly in our favour. Unlike in 2019 and 2015, we lose this and we have definitely choked just like in 1996.   

 

There is absolutely no excuse for India this time around. And if/when we lose, it's going to be mostly because of 2 palyers in this squad. :)

 

And our ridiculous , unproven 6 bowler balance which has never won a World Cup before. 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Nikhil_cric

[Serpico]

32 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

And our ridiculous , unproven 6 bowler balance which has never won a World Cup before. 

 

 

 

 

How many bowlers in 83?

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, Serpico said:

How many bowlers in 83?

5 including Kapil. Rest were primarily batters?

[AuxiliA]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Don't forget we finished the top of the table going into semi final in 2019 world cup even ahead of England :) 

 

We lost the SF only due to our top order collapse in seam friendly conditions. If that could have been avoided we would have reached the final.

 

Chances of our team collapsing for 5/3 in India are very low. The home advantage is crucial. Only thing which will beat us is our own nerves.

[Serpico]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

5 including Kapil. Rest were primarily batters?

4 all-rounders. Kapil, Amarnath, Binny, Azad. Very bits and pieces team.. there's no single wc winning formula

[Nikhil_cric]

11 minutes ago, Serpico said:

4 all-rounders. Kapil, Amarnath, Binny, Azad. Very bits and pieces team.. there's no single wc winning formula

Amarnath was a batsman first and foremost and probably the best in the country against genuine pace.   Even Sandeep Patil was picked for his hitting as he was the best hitter 

 

They were not bowlers/bowling all-rounders.

 

In our current set of allrounders , nobody makes it as a batsman alone. 

 

Not even Pandya, let alone Jadeja of thakur. 

[saneindian]

Amarnath would regularly bowl 8-10 overs in every single ODI but no Jimmy Paaji you cannot be called as an all rounder because someone on ICF says so. LOL

 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, saneindian said:

Amarnath would regularly bowl 8-10 overs in every single ODI but no Jimmy Paaji you cannot be called as an all rounder because someone on ICF says so. LOL

 

no, he didn't. he only bowled in 3/4th of the matches he played, and even in those matches, bowled an average of 7 overs per match.

 

he can easily be called a batting AR in ODIs, but the numbers you listed were incorrect

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, Serpico said:

4 all-rounders. Kapil, Amarnath, Binny, Azad. Very bits and pieces team.. there's no single wc winning formula

don't forget madan lal, who was more of an AR than azad. ravi shastri was also in the squad

Edited September 25, 2023 by Vijy

[saneindian]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

no, he didn't. he only bowled in 3/4th of the matches he played, and even in those matches, bowled an average of 7 overs per match.

 

he can easily be called a batting AR in ODIs, but the numbers you listed were incorrect

Thank you cpatain obvious. Unlike you I didn't check Statsguru.