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'He is a superstar in the making': Brett Lee backs Umran Malik for India Test debut; shares special advice for Bumrah


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Anyone who thinks Umran should be selected ahead of Thakur in overseas tests especially in swinging conditions is a grade A Idiot and knows nothing about fast bowling. 

 

Shardul has done great in whatever chances he got, this is another case of inferiority complex in Indians about speed. 

 

 

Umran is not a test bowler yet and he will not be selected by BCCI. 

 

As of now the test bowlers should be - Bumrah, Prasidh, Siraj, Thakur, Shami(needs to be phased out).

Karthik Tyagi should be promoted in squad not Umran

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6 minutes ago, Lord said:

People don't understand that playing players before they are ready will hurt the players themselves

 

Umran needs atleast one full FC season before he figures out to use the gift he has.

 

We haven't asked Umran if he wants to play longer formats or not. 

And being a fast bowler, Lee will always be over appreciative of other bowlers like him.

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In tests, you need bowlers who can change a game in a session. India does not have too many such bowlers, and therefore has preferred condition depend bowlers (even going out of the way to tailor pitches to create the perfect conditions). Such bowlers are seen as successful for exploiting conditions designed esp. for them (a laughable way to judge cricketers and value your own sporting abilities and culture). 
 

Bowlers like Umran have the potential to use utilize both the new ball and the old ball (reverse) with pace, bounce, and movement. 

It is time to groom players who can be successful in a variety of conditions. 


 

 

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On 3/17/2023 at 3:34 PM, Sooda said:

 

Also Murali Vijay is no journey man, guy was a top opener and has scored important runs away from home.


Umran has played very little FC and List A cricket yet is in ODI and India A FC team, clearly they do view him as someone to invest time into before he is ready for test cricket.

Couldnt agree more on Murali Vijay. He was the one static around whom some of our current generation has started test cricket. Guy would just hold one end and lets not forget he started as an aggressive batsman who transformed himself. 

 

Look at speed levels of Umran in his first and second ODI spell. That alone tells you he needs domestic exposure. I expect him to one day lead Indian attack, he definitely has the talent.  

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19 hours ago, Lord said:

People don't understand that playing players before they are ready will hurt the players themselves

 

Umran needs atleast one full FC season before he figures out to use the gift he has.

You don't know nothing man. 

 

The batsman will piss their pants and shake when Umran bowls as he is just too fast. 

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In India anyone who bowls 145 becomes a superstar. 

 

We don't have the ability to differentiate between Billy Stanlake and Brett lee. 

 

Let's wait for Umran to develop his test game, even MARK WOOD has become effective just a couple of years back in tests, before that he was a pie chucker. 

 

Umran needs to play more domestic cricket. 

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51 minutes ago, Adamant said:

In India anyone who bowls 145 becomes a superstar. 

 

We don't have the ability to differentiate between Billy Stanlake and Brett lee. 

 

Let's wait for Umran to develop his test game, even MARK WOOD has become effective just a couple of years back in tests, before that he was a pie chucker. 

 

Umran needs to play more domestic cricket. 

We had Avesh Khan who has played enough of domestic cricket, even though his experience can't save him from performing poorly...PK, BK, Vinay Kumar, Ashok Dinda all of them  carried good amount of domestic experience...but are a failure in internationals.

 

It's simple question of either you have it or you don't. Umran isn't ultra pro Max talented like Kartik Tyagi but he does possess talent, so does Prasidh Krishna and Kuldeep Sen (who also played non stop domestics from last one year only to get injured at the wrong time).

 

Add to that our domestic coaches/ senior pacers who mostly don't understand how to handle express pacers and try to turn everyone into a trundler with ability to maintain line, length and wait to the batters to commit mistake instead of going for the kill.

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5 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

lol why ?

He is very reliant on speed. Extreme speedsters who dont get a lot of bounce are rarely successful in Test cricket - Lee himself is a great example. 

 

They also struggle for accuracy. Akhtar, Johnson and Thomson were relatively successful but they created large arm paths to generate bounce and it was hard to pick their lengths because batsmen found it hard to track their deliveries. Even then , none of them averaged sub 25 in their careers.

 

Umran is a very skiddy quick and doesn't really have a great wrist execution, accuracy or generate sufficient bounce. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Grand_Design said:

 

 

Umran is a very skiddy quick and doesn't really have accuracy or generate sufficient bounce. 

 

 

 

Such pacers are very successful in tests in Asia, when the ball starts to reverse. 

 

Umran needs to play more FC matches and get himself ready for red ball cricket. 

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12 hours ago, Grand_Design said:

He is very reliant on speed. Extreme speedsters who dont get a lot of bounce are rarely successful in Test cricket - Lee himself is a great example. 

 

They also struggle for accuracy. Akhtar, Johnson and Thomson were relatively successful but they created large arm paths to generate bounce and it was hard to pick their lengths because batsmen found it hard to track their deliveries. Even then , none of them averaged sub 25 in their careers.

 

Umran is a very skiddy quick and doesn't really have a great wrist execution, accuracy or generate sufficient bounce. 

 

 

akhtar came close to avg <25 and that too with fitness issues, attitude issues, etc. genuine quicks (not speaking about ultra-quicks like akhtar and lee) can avg < 25 like marshall. frank tyson didn't play many tests, but was deadly as well

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On 3/19/2023 at 8:34 AM, Grand_Design said:

He is very reliant on speed. Extreme speedsters who dont get a lot of bounce are rarely successful in Test cricket - Lee himself is a great example. 

 

 

Umran bowls high 140 to 155. Many good test bowlers bowled in this range. Lee was a fine test bowler, he was quicker than Umran. 

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On 3/17/2023 at 11:33 PM, Adamant said:

Anyone who thinks Umran should be selected ahead of Thakur in overseas tests especially in swinging conditions is a grade A Idiot and knows nothing about fast bowling. 

 

Shardul has done great in whatever chances he got, this is another case of inferiority complex in Indians about speed. 

 

 

Umran is not a test bowler yet and he will not be selected by BCCI. 

 

As of now the test bowlers should be - Bumrah, Prasidh, Siraj, Thakur, Shami(needs to be phased out).

Karthik Tyagi should be promoted in squad not Umran

Agreed. Should be picked for A tour. Groomed and then we will see. 

Gurnoor, kuldeep Sen, girish are all better talents than umran anyway. And fast too. With bounce. 

No express but 135,145.

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On 3/19/2023 at 2:06 AM, Lord said:

People don't understand that playing players before they are ready will hurt the players themselves

 

Umran needs atleast one full FC season before he figures out to use the gift he has.

Agreed. 1 season should be mandatory imo unless the player really shows good bounce and pace off pitch

 

Like harshit and prasidh. Those kind of bowlers should be fast tracked.

 

Bumrah also only played 15-20 odd ranji games before selection.shami around 26. 

 

A good string of games should be compulsory. Also would build strength, muscle memory and stamina. If you can bowl well in Indian heat you would be ready to bowl anywhere in the world in terms of fitness. 

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1 hour ago, wazza said:

Agreed. 1 season should be mandatory imo unless the player really shows good bounce and pace off pitch

 

Like harshit and prasidh. Those kind of bowlers should be fast tracked.

 

Bumrah also only played 15-20 odd ranji games before selection.shami around 26. 

 

A good string of games should be compulsory. Also would build strength, muscle memory and stamina. If you can bowl well in Indian heat you would be ready to bowl anywhere in the world in terms of fitness. 

 

He a not bowled many in 150s , a season back in IPLs he was a different bowler. Hitting Ind superstar batters on their helmets.

But since then he has been bowling between 140-145, not sure wht is the reason behind it. He has himself to blame. Wont get much chances in Ind intnl set-up which already show the signs of favouring sub 135 kmph bowlers.

 

Seems like there is no direction to him. By now he should have won atleast 1-2 matches by his own being an express bowler. Should have had some kind of impact in intnl level.

 

 

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On 8/1/2023 at 8:56 PM, tapandrun said:

 

He a not bowled many in 150s , a season back in IPLs he was a different bowler. Hitting Ind superstar batters on their helmets.

But since then he has been bowling between 140-145, not sure wht is the reason behind it. He has himself to blame. Wont get much chances in Ind intnl set-up which already show the signs of favouring sub 135 kmph bowlers.

 

Seems like there is no direction to him. By now he should have won atleast 1-2 matches by his own being an express bowler. Should have had some kind of impact in intnl level.

 

 

he will soon move to 125-130 level like Mavi

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