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How great was Sachin Tendulkar?  

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  1. 1. How great was Sachin Tendulkar?

    • Best batsmen ever
    • Best ever ODI batsmen
    • Best ever cricketer
    • Best ever test match batsmn
    • Amongst top 3 batsmen ever
    • Amongst top 5 batsmen ever
    • Amongst top 5 cricketers ever
    • Amongst top 10 cricketers ever
    • Amongst top 10 batsmen ever
    • Amongst top 5 test batsmen of all?
    • Not amongst top 10 batsmen of all
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    • Not amongst top 10 cricketesr of all


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On 4/25/2023 at 10:18 AM, singhvivek141 said:

What is a compiler ? a stat-padder ... who thinks about personal glory ?

1000% stat padder. He played like Gavaskar just for himself. That 200th concocted test was pure bucket of crock. Baaarrrrrfffff! On top of it gets a Bharat Ratna to boot. Clowns!

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2 hours ago, Sooda said:


Who would you say are ahead in test cricket, and in ODIs?


From the top of the mind recall - Bradman, Sobers, Gavaskar, Lara, S Smith, etc. 

 

From the playing 11 PoV, there are equivalent players that can bring in more value such as Kallis (can bowl), add certain characteristics such as S Waugh (toughness/clutch), offer stroke play and flair such as Viv Richards, etc. 

 

PS in ODIs, there are a few batsmen in the top tier, depending on the role they play and specific value that they bring, including Richards, ABDV, etc. 

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I grew up idolizing Gavaskar. However, SRT is probably the most complete 360 deg batsman and the most elegant to watch that I have seen. In ODIs he was hitting shots no one was doing at that time and against quality bowling. And I am not saying this because of my Indian background. He probably under-achieved in test given his talent. I would have expected him to average in the low to mid 60s. My only regret is that he should have hung up his boots after WC 2011 when he has a almost 57 ave in test and ~ 45 average in ODIs. 

 

Happy Birthday SRT!!!

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Pre-tennis elbow he was undoubtedly the best batsman ever to play.

 

Post tennis elbow he will probably be in the top 10. The major issue with this batting post tennis elbow was his 360 degree play was heavily curtailed and he tried to adapt his game to a more conservative approach.

 

His legacy will remain similar to Lara for sheer accumulation of runs.

 

But if we really look at impact and how history books will look at him, I would say someone like Dhoni will be looked a lot more favorably as luck favored Dhoni a lot more than it did for Sachin in terms of clutch game play.

 

The same can be said of Yuvraj who peaked at the right time and won both T20 and World Cup with superhuman feats from impossible situations something Tendulkar never did.

 

The unfortunate thing about Tendulkar and the worse part of his legacy is he has brought along a generation of entitled batsman like Rohit Sharma, Kohli, Dhawan etc. who are pure stat padders rather than team players. Same will happen with Shubman Gill in the future.

 

Instead of elevating actual match winning bowlers like Zaheer Khan, Bumrah we worship batsmen - making it difficult for the country to produce better bowlers.

 

That's the worst part of his legacy and he did nothing to change that with his 100th hundred and 200th test fiasco that no bowler like Bumrah or even an all rounder who contributed selflessly like Suresh Raina or Yuvraj ever got in a TEAM GAME. Pathetic really.

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On 5/30/2023 at 9:52 PM, BlueBlood said:

Pre-tennis elbow he was undoubtedly the best batsman ever to play.

 

Post tennis elbow he will probably be in the top 10. The major issue with this batting post tennis elbow was his 360 degree play was heavily curtailed and he tried to adapt his game to a more conservative approach.

 

His legacy will remain similar to Lara for sheer accumulation of runs.

 

But if we really look at impact and how history books will look at him, I would say someone like Dhoni will be looked a lot more favorably as luck favored Dhoni a lot more than it did for Sachin in terms of clutch game play.

 

The same can be said of Yuvraj who peaked at the right time and won both T20 and World Cup with superhuman feats from impossible situations something Tendulkar never did.

 

The unfortunate thing about Tendulkar and the worse part of his legacy is he has brought along a generation of entitled batsman like Rohit Sharma, Kohli, Dhawan etc. who are pure stat padders rather than team players. Same will happen with Shubman Gill in the future.

 

Instead of elevating actual match winning bowlers like Zaheer Khan, Bumrah we worship batsmen - making it difficult for the country to produce better bowlers.

 

That's the worst part of his legacy and he did nothing to change that with his 100th hundred and 200th test fiasco that no bowler like Bumrah or even an all rounder who contributed selflessly like Suresh Raina or Yuvraj ever got in a TEAM GAME. Pathetic really.

 

Dhongi will be remembered more for 8-0 thukkai rather than World Cup wins.

 

For Tendulkar, very few things in cricket will come close to his masterclass against Steyn in 2010 South Africa tour, equivalent to Steve Waugh vs peak Ambrose.

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On 5/31/2023 at 2:02 PM, MechEng said:

 

Dhongi will be remembered more for 8-0 thukkai rather than World Cup wins.

 

For Tendulkar, very few things in cricket will come close to his masterclass against Steyn in 2010 South Africa tour, equivalent to Steve Waugh vs peak Ambrose.

 

BS. At least VVS Laxman will be remembered for his exploits against Australia.

 

Tendulkar post tennis elbow was toothless in many games. Only fanatics will pick and choose some obscure 2010 SA tour where we didn't even win that series.

 

History books filled with casual fans will not remember him as fondly as they do of Dhoni - it showed in IPL attendance too.

 

The problem with Tendulkar also is he laid the pathway for Kohli and Shubman gill type players to stat pad so I am pretty sure some other Indian opener will beat his records making his "records" also worthless 50-100 years from now assuming cricket is still a popular sport.

 

I would much rather take a team contributor than individual stat padder. But unfortunately we have hero worship for runs accumulators in India so it will never change. It will pass on to Shubman Gill and similar batters.

 

Sachin should be ashamed of himself with the 100th hundred where he openly said it was a "burden that was adding immense pressure for him to perform" where he struggled. That's not the legacy you want to hold for future generations in a team sport.

 

If this was singles Tennis or Badminton it's totally fine but not in a team sport.

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Had some1 else played similar amount of test and Odis would they have/had similar or better stats ....??

 

In test most certainly  Sachin played 200 test score ~16 k runs and Kallis and Ponting played 160+ matches got ~13.5 Runs

Odi no1 even came close to the amount of runs he scored 18+k in 460 matches many played similar amount of matches but not even close.

 

The problem with cricket there is no set parameter, you have set weight of the ball, bails stump height, pitch but no restriction on how big/small grounds and boundaries can be. Pitches are another variable. 

 

Few shots which would be 1 or a 2 in some ground it could be a 4/6 . In some grounds where that were 6/4 that could have be caught in the deep.

 

Question could have been would you pick him as an opener in you all time ODI 11 and as no.4 in you all time Test 11 considering all the variables different pitches, ability to win matches, take team to safety in test and may be to a win. kind of bowling line he would face be it top spin of Warne or Murli, pace of Akthar, Wasim Mcgrath ??

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

easily the best batsman since ww2 

 

BCCI *ed up by scheduling so few tests for most of the 90s. Sachin in his peak years was playing random, meaningless JAMODIS and tri series. Wasim Akram too got shafted because of that. We needed more of these 2 in tests at their best. 

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In 2002 ranked by Wisden as the second best test batsman ever behind Bradman, AND the 2nd best ever one-day batsman behind Viv.

 

In 2002 Tendulkar held no batting records in either format.

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On 5/1/2023 at 9:27 PM, Kothili said:

1000% stat padder. He played like Gavaskar just for himself. That 200th concocted test was pure bucket of crock. Baaarrrrrfffff! On top of it gets a Bharat Ratna to boot. Clowns!

Its only indian fans who hate their own so much. Sachin barely played after 2011 world cup, he retired from ODI soon and in test played a year and half. His stats before that

 

From 2007 to 2011 his averages per year in tests were - 55, 48, 68, 78, 47. After that would you blame him for thinking he could continue more? He retired after 1 year and few months, averaged 24 in 2012, then retired in 2013 mid while averaging 35

 

Meanwhile this is Ponting's last 6 years from 2007 - 38, 47, 38, 36, 31, 42. He didnt cross 50 average a single year and was below 40 for 4 of those 6 years

 

Do you see Aussies abusing him and calling him selfish?

 

Sachin's low before he retired was among the smallest duration in cricket history, many Aussies and other countrymen have hung on for far too long. yet indian fans pretend sachin hung on too long and Aussies are best at retiring etc etc. 

 

 

 

 

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