G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 03:36 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:36 PM ^ quite the opposite. Bjp needs this guy to split the minority vote. Can open doors for seat conversion. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 03:38 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:38 PM Vijay should be 10% to 20% of the vote. What bjp need is for him to string up an alliance with seeman and a few other regionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Tuesday at 03:43 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:43 PM 8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Actor Vijay Joseph announced a new political party based on Tande Periyar, Anna and Ambedkar. Are you surprised? Big setback to Hindutva in TN? WIth or without vijay Hindutva will never work here. It is largely caste based. You cannot polarize people with religion when people from same religion fight with each other. So you cannot excpet large scale brainwashing happening in TN like you see in some of the other states. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted Tuesday at 03:44 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:44 PM 5 minutes ago, G_B_ said: ^ quite the opposite. Bjp needs this guy to split the minority vote. Can open doors for seat conversion. Specifically mentioned that idealogical enemy is BJP & DMK being political enemy... I believe it can go both ways on how they fight the elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 03:58 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:58 PM 6 minutes ago, diga said: Specifically mentioned that idealogical enemy is BJP & DMK being political enemy... I believe it can go both ways on how they fight the elections Bjp wont mind him attacking them.... For bjp to grow admk has to collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 04:00 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:00 PM Re vijay he is expected to draw out youth+ christian + parayar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted Tuesday at 04:01 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:01 PM 16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: WIth or without vijay Hindutva will never work here. It is largely caste based. You cannot polarize people with religion when people from same religion fight with each other. So you cannot excpet large scale brainwashing happening in TN like you see in some of the other states. Brainwashing is caste-based society and keep crying discrimination. Hindutva preaches casteless society, one day it will happen. As Udayanidhi says - Just wait and watch! Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Tuesday at 04:18 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:18 PM (edited) 19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Brainwashing is caste-based society and keep crying discrimination. Hindutva preaches casteless society, one day it will happen. As Udayanidhi says - Just wait and watch! Caste based is not brainwashing. It just happens automatically. Hinduism is incredibly diverse. Interpretation varies differently. My father is so much religious that he worshipped a samiyar for a specific reason. But me and my brother never liked any of these godman exploiting people's struggles to their advantage. So even within one family people are not in sync. You are talking about bringing entire state on page. Never gonna happen. Many will dismiss as arhaic, regressive and outdated. My father is as religious as anyone can be. But he absolute despises BJP. Edited Tuesday at 04:21 PM by vvvslaxman Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 04:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:57 PM 32 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Caste based is not brainwashing. It just happens automatically. Hinduism is incredibly diverse. Interpretation varies differently. My father is so much religious that he worshipped a samiyar for a specific reason. But me and my brother never liked any of these godman exploiting people's struggles to their advantage. So even within one family people are not in sync. You are talking about bringing entire state on page. Never gonna happen. Many will dismiss as arhaic, regressive and outdated. My father is as religious as anyone can be. But he absolute despises BJP. Kanyakumari district is heavily religiously polarised (hindus bjp) and christians (dmk+ cong). Why is this the case? Last I checked its part of tn right? Your focusing too much on your personal obesvations than secondary data. Bjp operates in places like bihar which are much more caste oriented than tn. As things stand i think its fair to say bjp has 6 to 8% vote share in assembly and 8 to 10% in lok sabha. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Tuesday at 05:16 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:16 PM 15 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Kanyakumari district is heavily religiously polarised (hindus bjp) and christians (dmk+ cong). Why is this the case? Last I checked its part of tn right? Your focusing too much on your personal obesvations than secondary data. Bjp operates in places like bihar which are much more caste oriented than tn. As things stand i think its fair to say bjp has 6 to 8% vote share in assembly and 8 to 10% in lok sabha. But TN never identified itself as "Hindu" state at any point. Christians also belong to a caste. just remember. I have studied with a lot of nadar christians. Nadar charistians never got along with schedule caste/tribe guys. Always fight between them. You are talking about handful of people. BJP needs a very very strong alliance without which there won't be any traction for decades. Forget about TN. Once Modi is gone BJP will struggle to find their footing in other parts of country as well. How long you can use religion to buy votes? Not very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted Tuesday at 05:22 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:22 PM 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Caste based is not brainwashing. It just happens automatically. Hinduism is incredibly diverse. Interpretation varies differently. My father is so much religious that he worshipped a samiyar for a specific reason. But me and my brother never liked any of these godman exploiting people's struggles to their advantage. So even within one family people are not in sync. You are talking about bringing entire state on page. Never gonna happen. Many will dismiss as arhaic, regressive and outdated. My father is as religious as anyone can be. But he absolute despises BJP. The funny part is that these Periyarist parties who claim to fight for a casteless society are the most casteist people that I have ever met coffee_rules and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Tuesday at 05:23 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:23 PM Just now, bowl_out said: The funny part is that these Periyarist parties who claim to fight for a casteless society are the most casteist people that I have ever met Casteless society is a pipe dream. Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted Tuesday at 06:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:05 PM 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Caste based is not brainwashing. It just happens automatically. Hinduism is incredibly diverse. Interpretation varies differently. My father is so much religious that he worshipped a samiyar for a specific reason. But me and my brother never liked any of these godman exploiting people's struggles to their advantage. So even within one family people are not in sync. You are talking about bringing entire state on page. Never gonna happen. Many will dismiss as arhaic, regressive and outdated. My father is as religious as anyone can be. But he absolute despises BJP. You hear that @coffee_rules @raki05 @ravishingravi. Most religious hindus hate BJP because BJP portrays hinduism in the worst light possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 06:07 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:07 PM 44 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: But TN never identified itself as "Hindu" state at any point. Christians also belong to a caste. just remember. I have studied with a lot of nadar christians. Nadar charistians never got along with schedule caste/tribe guys. Always fight between them. You are talking about handful of people. BJP needs a very very strong alliance without which there won't be any traction for decades. Forget about TN. Once Modi is gone BJP will struggle to find their footing in other parts of country as well. How long you can use religion to buy votes? Not very long. The bjp has been on an upward trajectory overall even pre modi. No political party in history of india for past 3 decades has expanded its footprint consistently apart from bjp. The dmk and admk cant even do anything in tamil majority puduchery (which bjp governs in alliance). People said wb did not do religious politics in the 00s, bjp would never gain traction....bjp is now the main opposition. Bjp supposedly was dead and buried in odisha yet is now ruling the state. There will always be a right wing pole in any political state and w left wing pole. Bjp's political challenge comes from the right and not the left. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted Tuesday at 06:10 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:10 PM 2 hours ago, G_B_ said: Bjp wont mind him attacking them.... For bjp to grow admk has to collapse. What you said WAS true. But it is not longer the truth. DMK is the ideological party. ADMK is largely driven by popular figurehead. Example: MGR, Jayalalitha. EPS is the first person to lead ADMK without being a popular figurehead with the general public. Vijay's Party will grow at the expense of NTK, BJP and ADMK. DMK will not lose voters. BJP Annamalai and NTK Seeman will be the biggest losers. ADMK will be next affected party. Only way NTK survives is if they join hands with TVK next election. BJP is very close to being dead in TN now due to Vijay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM 13 minutes ago, G_B_ said: The bjp has been on an upward trajectory overall even pre modi. No political party in history of india for past 3 decades has expanded its footprint consistently apart from bjp. The dmk and admk cant even do anything in tamil majority puduchery (which bjp governs in alliance). People said wb did not do religious politics in the 00s, bjp would never gain traction....bjp is now the main opposition. Bjp supposedly was dead and buried in odisha yet is now ruling the state. There will always be a right wing pole in any political state and w left wing pole. Bjp's political challenge comes from the right and not the left. There is no right wing, left wing in TN. Both parties have similar social ideologies. Only reason BJP is finding some votes is due to alliance and gradual disintegration of AIADMK. Otherwise they won't get anywhere. There is this blind faith that all "Hindus" will vote for BJP blindly. That is a very very hard sell here. Why did BJP lose in Ayodhya? THey won some extra percentage in TN. THey lost a lot of votes elsewhere right? We cannot use these numbers and extrapolate. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted Tuesday at 06:42 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:42 PM Biggest losers thanks to Vijay's entry: 1. NTK - (ideology: Tamil Nationalism) One of the few parties that is somewhat sound ideologically apart from DMK. NTK was always thought of as an alternative to DMK and ADMK. Has 7-8 percent vote share. Unless they join hands with vijay in 2026, they will be forgotten soon. 2. BJP - (Ideology: Hindutva) Since their ideology is new in TN, it was considered an alternative to both DMK and ADMK. Most of BJP's political mileage in TN is based on the DMK's supposed indifference to hindu festivals and culture. Vijay is gonna take their votes. Annamalai is simply not that popular like North Indians believe. 3. ADMK - (Ideology - supposedly Dravidian) A lot of people believe ADMK is a Dravidian party. Only thing they have in common with Dravidian ideology is that they split from DMK. ADMK always worked under a superstar figurehead like MGR. Jayalalitha wrestled the power from MGR's wife after his death. ADMK guys do not have ideology in reality. EPS is the only figurehead with no popularity in the history of ADMK. MGR and Jayalalitha were actors anyway. Vijay is a superstar actor. So ADMK is also under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Tuesday at 06:48 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:48 PM 5 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Biggest losers thanks to Vijay's entry: 1. NTK - (ideology: Tamil Nationalism) One of the few parties that is somewhat sound ideologically apart from DMK. NTK was always thought of as an alternative to DMK and ADMK. Has 7-8 percent vote share. Unless they join hands with vijay in 2026, they will be forgotten soon. 2. BJP - (Ideology: Hindutva) Since their ideology is new in TN, it was considered an alternative to both DMK and ADMK. Most of BJP's political mileage in TN is based on the DMK's supposed indifference to hindu festivals and culture. Vijay is gonna take their votes. Annamalai is simply not that popular like North Indians believe. 3. ADMK - (Ideology - supposedly Dravidian) A lot of people believe ADMK is a Dravidian party. Only thing they have in common with Dravidian ideology is that they split from DMK. ADMK always worked under a superstar figurehead like MGR. Jayalalitha wrestled the power from MGR's wife after his death. ADMK guys do not have ideology in reality. EPS is the only figurehead with no popularity in the history of ADMK. MGR and Jayalalitha were actors anyway. Vijay is a superstar actor. So ADMK is also under threat. Annamalai is a conman. someone who conned even BJP lol He will take all the money and say "I tried". Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 06:55 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:55 PM 13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: There is no right wing, left wing in TN. Both parties have similar social ideologies. Only reason BJP is finding some votes is due to alliance and gradual disintegration of AIADMK. Otherwise they won't get anywhere. There is this blind faith that all "Hindus" will vote for BJP blindly. That is a very very hard sell here. Why did BJP lose in Ayodhya? THey won some extra percentage in TN. THey lost a lot of votes elsewhere right? We cannot use these numbers and extrapolate. So by your own logic, bjp does not need all hindu votes to govern in a westminster parliamentary system. They just need sufficient Hindu votes. They won haryana with 40% of vote. Which means 50% of hindus voted bjp and 50% did not. Did not stop the bjp from having their best ever performance in the state. Bjp has been governing Gujarat for more than 2 decades with 48 to 52% of total votes which translates to around 63 to 65% of the hindu vote. In case you have missed it, in this current growth phase bjp is targetting specific castes in tn. I dont understand how this translates to pan hindu policy? The nadar hindus down south were specifically targetted to turn kk into a bipolar contest. The nda alliance pushed admk to third in multiple seats down south and in the delta based on dewar poleraisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Tuesday at 06:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:57 PM 14 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Biggest losers thanks to Vijay's entry: 1. NTK - (ideology: Tamil Nationalism) One of the few parties that is somewhat sound ideologically apart from DMK. NTK was always thought of as an alternative to DMK and ADMK. Has 7-8 percent vote share. Unless they join hands with vijay in 2026, they will be forgotten soon. 2. BJP - (Ideology: Hindutva) Since their ideology is new in TN, it was considered an alternative to both DMK and ADMK. Most of BJP's political mileage in TN is based on the DMK's supposed indifference to hindu festivals and culture. Vijay is gonna take their votes. Annamalai is simply not that popular like North Indians believe. 3. ADMK - (Ideology - supposedly Dravidian) A lot of people believe ADMK is a Dravidian party. Only thing they have in common with Dravidian ideology is that they split from DMK. ADMK always worked under a superstar figurehead like MGR. Jayalalitha wrestled the power from MGR's wife after his death. ADMK guys do not have ideology in reality. EPS is the only figurehead with no popularity in the history of ADMK. MGR and Jayalalitha were actors anyway. Vijay is a superstar actor. So ADMK is also under threat. Lol dmk will be biggest losers. Analysts like Mani have been very vocal about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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