Sai Sudarshan

[crictime]

34 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Sai Sudarshan is anything but selfish.  Check the second innings of TN. TN needed 144 runs in 12 overs. They made 108 runs in 7 overs. But Hyderabad using delay tactics forced umpires to call off the game. In this particular innings SKY, Pandya everyone slowed down after a point. Once they started taking pace off timing became harder

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/ranji-trophy-2022-23-1332913/hyderabad-india-vs-tamil-nadu-elite-group-b-1333199/full-scorecard

How SKY approached his innings does not justifies what Sai did in a certain phase. SKY had strike rate of 171 yesterday after coming in to bat when score was 35/2. Whereas Sai himself had sr of 177 when he was 32 (18) after powerplay. 

 

What followed was 3 overs each of Hardik and Santner, yet he struggled in this phase. I thought it was his day given that he had started excellently, but then he started playing as if he was new to the crease (between his 32 to 50). He took 17 balls to score next 17 runs. This is selfish cricket although he is not the only cricketer who have played so. I am not saying all matches he has played were selfish, but yesterday he clearly was scoring 17 off 17 against all rounder pacer bowling on Indian wicket and a spinner who spons very little and that too only spins it one way. Moreover he was set and pressure was on the bowlers given the fabulous start he and Shubman Gill played.

 

Even Jos Buttler scored at sr of 162,  but he got out on 32. He also could have gone for 50 but he had a approach of capitalising on every ball. 

 

Regarding the link you have posted, I have not checked it. Because I have not said he has been selfish in all games I have watched him play. My commemt was specific to yesterdays match only. Next match he may show the right approach all the way till he gets out and I will be glad to see an Indian batsman making maximum impact.

[vvvslaxman]

18 minutes ago, crictime said:

How SKY approached his innings does not justifies what Sai did in a certain phase. SKY had strike rate of 171 yesterday after coming in to bat when score was 35/2. Whereas Sai himself had sr of 177 when he was 32 (18) after powerplay. 

 

What followed was 3 overs each of Hardik and Santner, yet he struggled in this phase. I thought it was his day given that he had started excellently, but then he started playing as if he was new to the crease (between his 32 to 50). He took 17 balls to score next 17 runs. This is selfish cricket although he is not the only cricketer who have played so. I am not saying all matches he has played were selfish, but yesterday he clearly was scoring 17 off 17 against all rounder pacer bowling on Indian wicket and a spinner who spons very little and that too only spins it one way. Moreover he was set and pressure was on the bowlers given the fabulous start he and Shubman Gill played.

 

Even Jos Buttler scored at sr of 162,  but he got out on 32. He also could have gone for 50 but he had a approach of capitalising on every ball. 

 

Regarding the link you have posted, I have not checked it. Because I have not said he has been selfish in all games I have watched him play. My commemt was specific to yesterdays match only. Next match he may show the right approach all the way till he gets out and I will be glad to see an Indian batsman making maximum impact.

 

I thought Hardik bowled exceptionally well yetserday taking the pace off.  I will give some credit. Sai Sudarshan is not a violent slogger. He times the ball. Remember in one season he retired out being unable to force the pace. Even most of his shots were well timed and well placed shots. Once the field spread out after 6 overs he couldn't do the same. He is not cut out for T20 acceleration you see from guys like SKY, Abhishek. JUst because you want to force the pace it won't happen automatically. look hwo Rahul and Kohli were batting in the final. All slow innings are not selfish innigns. May be that is their capacity. 

[crictime]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I thought Hardik bowled exceptionally well yetserday taking the pace off.  I will give some credit. Sai Sudarshan is not a violent slogger. He times the ball. Remember in one season he retired out being unable to force the pace. Even most of his shots were well timed and well placed shots. Once the field spread out after 6 overs he couldn't do the same. He is not cut out for T20 acceleration you see from guys like SKY, Abhishek. JUst because you want to force the pace it won't happen automatically. look hwo Rahul and Kohli were batting in the final. All slow innings are not selfish innigns. May be that is their capacity. 

Would like to know if you are okay with his 17 ball 17 after he had scored 32 (18). I liked his innings till a certain point and played exceptionally well until then.

 

I don't mind if he had scored by power hitting or placing the ball where there are no fielders ar the boundary. That's upto the the batsman as to how he wants to keep ticking scorecard at a acceptable strike rate.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, crictime said:

Would like to know if you are okay with his 17 ball 17 after he had scored 32 (18). I liked his innings till a certain point and played exceptionally well until then.

 

I don't mind if he had scored by power hitting or placing the ball where there are no fielders ar the boundary. That's upto the the batsman as to how he wants to keep ticking scorecard at a acceptable strike rate.

 

As i said it takes a lot of time before he gets into the zone of toying with bowling. Close 17th over or something. Till then he would mainly react to the ball except occasional lap shot.  He is not NIcholas Pooran, Travis Head. Nobody worires about 50 when they are in their 30s. That includes hardcore statpadders. Scoring rate dropped for both Gill and Sai right outside the power play with field spread and use of slower ball. Look how SKY batted against slower ball in the WC final. He couldn't lay bat to ball. Some players have limitations. Buttler is a white ball legend. So cannot quite compare him with Sai. Sai is not a finished article in this format. Frankly i want him to do well in ODIs. He played two sublime knocks in South Africa with back to back 50s.

[crictime]

29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

As i said it takes a lot of time before he gets into the zone of toying with bowling. Close 17th over or something. Till then he would mainly react to the ball except occasional lap shot.  He is not NIcholas Pooran, Travis Head. Nobody worires about 50 when they are in their 30s. That includes hardcore statpadders. Scoring rate dropped for both Gill and Sai right outside the power play with field spread and use of slower ball. Look how SKY batted against slower ball in the WC final. He couldn't lay bat to ball. Some players have limitations. Buttler is a white ball legend. So cannot quite compare him with Sai. Sai is not a finished article in this format. Frankly i want him to do well in ODIs. He played two sublime knocks in South Africa with back to back 50s.

 

Have a different opinion about your comment regarding toying with bowling context in yesterdays match.

 

Toying with the bowling is scoring a 14 ball 50 in IPL or strike rate over 275 for a decent number of balls faced. He was fine if he did not destroy bowling figures mercilessly. 

 

Also, not comparing an uncapped T20 batsman with legends T20i batsmen like Jos Buttler , Nicholas Pooran, Klaasen etc.

 

However, on a given day, and it was his day I think the way he started, Sai Sudarshan who is scoring at 175 strike rate should be able to score atleast 17 balls 27 if not more after being well set. 17 ball 17 was a drastic drop. On a day an inform T20 batsman can easily bat better than a T20i legend who is struggling. And it's okay for T20i legends to struggle on  in some other matches. We have seen that many times. I just feel he missed an opportunity to play a well paced innings. There was up and down phase. He could have avoided the prolonged down phase (for T20 17 balls is a lot imo) in yesterdays innimgs.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

8 hours ago, crictime said:

A set batsman should look to score 20+ runs overs, the way the proper T20 batsmen look to do. He may have run out of stamina after staying on the wicket for 6 overs and trying to power hit and maybe lack of power after getting exhausted quickly could be the reason why he hit just 2 boundaries between over 6 and over 16. His hamstring injury also could be result of not upto the mark lower body. I know he plays big innings in Ranji but the efforts in fielding and running is not same as it is in IPL. It could also be that he was looking to somehow ensure he gets a landmark 50 to boost his IPL value in future auctions. But remember KL was sacked by management after showing similar approach. MI really has just Bumrah but he wasnt playing today. Boult is not upto the mark in absence of swing.  So a well set Sai showed lack of ability to maintain the momentum.

 

Well, regarding ODI will need to see him play before commenting on his fitness and ability to play at the top most level. Does he deserves a chance? His performances in Vijay Hazare and India Red, Green, Blue matches should be considered.At this point too early to judge him as he is not playing at the highest level.

Didn't he do well against SA recently in ODIs? Or am I imagining that?

[cricketfan28]

Starting to like him, hope he becomes the one 

[crictime]

57 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Didn't he do well against SA recently in ODIs? Or am I imagining that?

Wasn't even aware of his debut -  noticed now that he has indeed played 3 ODI's.  Did not watch any match in SA series and hence cannot comment on his performance.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, crictime said:

Wasn't even aware of his debut -  noticed now that he has indeed played 3 ODI's.  Did not watch any match in SA series and hence cannot comment on his performance.

 

He looked the best bat in helpful conditions. We won the series 2-1 and Sai was one of the main reasons. He's the ideal no. 3 for ODIs and Tests. Not a T20 bat as we've plenty for T20s.

[vvvslaxman]

 

[tapandrun]

On 3/30/2025 at 1:12 AM, crictime said:

How SKY approached his innings does not justifies what Sai did in a certain phase. SKY had strike rate of 171 yesterday after coming in to bat when score was 35/2. Whereas Sai himself had sr of 177 when he was 32 (18) after powerplay. 

 

What followed was 3 overs each of Hardik and Santner, yet he struggled in this phase. I thought it was his day given that he had started excellently, but then he started playing as if he was new to the crease (between his 32 to 50). He took 17 balls to score next 17 runs. This is selfish cricket although he is not the only cricketer who have played so. I am not saying all matches he has played were selfish, but yesterday he clearly was scoring 17 off 17 against all rounder pacer bowling on Indian wicket and a spinner who spons very little and that too only spins it one way. Moreover he was set and pressure was on the bowlers given the fabulous start he and Shubman Gill played.

 

Even Jos Buttler scored at sr of 162,  but he got out on 32. He also could have gone for 50 but he had a approach of capitalising on every ball. 

 

Regarding the link you have posted, I have not checked it. Because I have not said he has been selfish in all games I have watched him play. My commemt was specific to yesterdays match only. Next match he may show the right approach all the way till he gets out and I will be glad to see an Indian batsman making maximum impact.

For t20 and now with fast moving white-ball cricket over-all there are 3 ways of getting runs::

• Have good power game
• Have great bat speed and ball contact
• Or be able to manipulate the field with modern white-ball shots.

Finding all 3 are are v.hard for a batter and having 2 of them makes a v.good batter at all levels of white-ball. Sai right now lacks all 3 for a white-ball player, he has good technique and should be tried in test.

 

The mention of SA series , apart from game 1 where Ind scored near 300 runs and sai got v.few runs in that match , rest 2 were low scoring matches think under 220. Kind of score and condition where slow scoring good technique batters do well. Ind lost the 2nd game and won the 3rd game and sai got 50s in low scoring matches.

 

For white ball the question should be as a batter can they out bat the opposition, 320 is par scores these days team target to chase it down. Even in Icc events where one would think top bowlers will be pushing it hard 300+ total was normal in  wc 2023 and ct 25 apart form ind matches.

 

Modren day cricket is about tempo and keeping tempo up and keep increasing it, do not think sai is there in that regard.

 

 

Edited April 4 by tapandrun

[crictime]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

For t20 and now with fast moving white-ball cricket over-all there are 3 ways or getting runs::

• Have good power game
• Have great bat speed and ball contact
• Or be able to manipulate the field with modern white-ball shots.

Finding all 3 are are v.hard for a batter and having 2 of them makes a v.good batter at all levels of white-ball. Sai right now lacks all 3 for a white-ball player, he has good technique and should be tried in test.

 

The mention of SA series , apart from game 1 where Ind scored near 300 runs and sai got v.few runs in that match , rest 2 were low scoring matches think under 220. Kind of score and condition where slow scoring good technique batters do well. Ind lost the 2nd game and won the 3rd game and sai got 50s in low scoring matches.

 

For white ball the question should be as a batter can they out bat the opposition, 320 is par scores these days team target to chase it down. Even in Icc events where one would think top bowlers will be pushing it hard 300+ total was normal in  wc 2023 and ct 25 apart form ind matches.

 

Modren day cricket is about tempo and keeping tempo up and keep increasing it, do not think sai is there in that regard.

 

 

Good read this 

[putrevus]

Tilak Verma has more strokes and has been stuck batting in different spots .He still has 4 t20 100s.He has more shots and has FC avg of 50.He is more suited for number 3 spot.Today match not withstanding where he struggled.

[cowboysfan]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

Tilak Verma has more strokes and has been stuck batting in different spots .He still has 4 t20 100s.He has more shots and has FC avg of 50.He is more suited for number 3 spot.Today match not withstanding where he struggled.

agree,no idea why Mumbai dont put him at 3 permanently.He is not a power hitter and takes time to get his timing right in the match.

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

agree,no idea why Mumbai dont put him at 3 permanently.He is not a power hitter and takes time to get his timing right in the match.

He has to be their number 3. I see him number 3 for India for him in all formats.Can he become great  is all upto him.Talent is there. A young guy needs confidence, Pandya is wrong captain for MI.

 

Sai is also one of those batsman who were retired out.

 

 

Edited April 5 by putrevus

[gakgupta]

On 3/21/2024 at 8:04 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Not yet...he is not in leagues of Jaiswal who is really an all format player.

Even Gill isn't an all format batter no matter how we try to justify. He is very close though.

 

Sai is somewhere with Tilak & Jitesh at the moment. Likes of Rinku & Jurel are ahead of him.

 

Are you talking about t20s

 

If you are talking. About odi or test matches ...he is ahead of everyone and on par with jaiswal 

[singhvivek141]

32 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

 

Are you talking about t20s

 

If you are talking. About odi or test matches ...he is ahead of everyone and on par with jaiswal 

I was talking about him being an an all format star.

He is not cut for T20's. Similar to Gill & Jurel.

 

Jaiswal is the only true all format player we had till last year, but Nitish has emerged as well. Rinku too potentially but we will never know. 

 

Other names which I took

Tilak (T20s and ODIs)

Jitesh (only T20s)

Dhruv (Tests and ODIs)

Gill (Tests and ODIs)

[Nikhil_cric]

 

Sai is strong vs high pace at all lengths. In addition to his ability against spin. 

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

Sai is strong vs high pace at all lengths. In addition to his ability against spin. 

So a complete package ,hope with time he gets stronger and more power behind his shots

[Nikhil_cric]

9 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

So a complete package ,hope with time he gets stronger and more power behind his shots

Gill's numbers are disappointing. Output not commensurate with his talent