Elections 23-24 NDA vs I.N.D.I.A (updated) -Poll Added

[someone]

DMK is habitual party of hate and vicious propaganda. They don’t play under clever disguise of, love Hindu and hate Hindutva. They are clear and consistent about their goals, and ideologies. 
 

Also, the 303 government, the Hindu community are completely cowards or have high tolerance. Will that ever be fixed? 

 

And its always a ploy, they hope for a tit-for tat reaction by BJP or some of its motormouth leaders. And obviously, the consequences and repercussions will be totally different, and will help the opposition. 
 

And the dynastic politicians have zero innovation, zero touch with reality. They use the same hatred as their old generations. But this is digitalisation era, and language barrier cannot be a shield which helped their old generations. 

 

[someone]

On 9/2/2023 at 11:26 AM, Lone Wolf said:

He has not held office so Idk what else you are looking for here?  This is same logic Dems used for Trump. 

Amethi mai junta daily galliyan de rahi hai Irani ko btw...  She is done n dusted this time. 

Ah, never officially in government so no dirt can fell on him officially. He has clean governance record. A clever ploy. 
 

But like his mother; they have gotten unconstitutional power, controlled PMO, colluded with foreign powers. 

 

For the sake of democracy, any single vote to Rahul Gandhi should not happen.  He is the biggest blot on democracy. 
 

For a person for decades in politics, he has zero achievements. He also have zero friends, as nobody has any interesting stories or insights about his journey. He is just well protected, entitled, and spoiled brat. 
 

 

 

 

[someone]

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Edited September 3, 2023 by someone

[diga]

53 minutes ago, someone said:

And its always a ploy, they hope for a tit-for tat reaction by BJP or some of its motormouth leaders. And obviously, the consequences and repercussions will be totally different, and will help the opposition.

 

Even on this forum, one can see that this kind of nonsense by opposition is easily brushed aside by non-dharmics .. 

[Lone Wolf]

46 minutes ago, diga said:

 

Even on this forum, one can see that this kind of nonsense by opposition is easily brushed aside by non-dharmics .. 

Since when does not following BJP or not supporting them became Anti Dharmic?? 

Another Party >>>Nation + Religion logic. 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

 

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Since when does not following BJP or not supporting them became Anti Dharmic?? 

Another Party >>>Nation + Religion logic. 

 

 

 

Fair enough, so you would expected the young and dynamic achiever RG, to come out and condemn the statement of Stalin. But ofcourse he wouldnt do do that because his own party chief warned against Sanatana Dharma few weeks back and he did't say a word.

[Lone Wolf]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

 

Fair enough, so you would expected the young and dynamic achiever RG, to come out and condemn the statement of Stalin. But ofcourse he wouldnt do do that because his own party chief warned against Sanatana Dharma few weeks back and he did't say a word.

Lol has Modi came out to condemn this statement? Or Shah or anyone else. 

This is the same party that forms alliance with PDP in Kashmir & used green posters of BJP in Kashmir.  They have been in bed with Pro Khalistanis Akalis since  decades. 

They don't have any different ideology in the first place...  Everyone is after Kursi deal with it. 

 

Sanatana Dharma is not theka of these parties but people.  

Tamils have been pushing Dravidian supremacy agenda since decades but nobody takes it seriously anymore. 

[diga]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Since when does not following BJP or not supporting them became Anti Dharmic?? 

Another Party >>>Nation + Religion logic. 

 

I'm sure you have been long enough on this forum to understand the modus operandi... Anything BJP or Modi does gets more traction from the usual suspects and no wonder most of them are Abrahamics or Anarchists 

[ravishingravi]

47 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Lol has Modi came out to condemn this statement? Or Shah or anyone else. 

This is the same party that forms alliance with PDP in Kashmir & used green posters of BJP in Kashmir.  They have been in bed with Pro Khalistanis Akalis since  decades. 

They don't have any different ideology in the first place...  Everyone is after Kursi deal with it. 

 

Sanatana Dharma is not theka of these parties but people.  

Tamils have been pushing Dravidian supremacy agenda since decades but nobody takes it seriously anymore. 

 

I am confused. It was your stand that Modi was not supporting Hindus enough and RG would be a better choice. Noow you are justifying the guy calling for genocide of sanatana dharma. Suddenly the whatabouttery is okay if RG didn't say a word because Modi didn't say a word. So Modi is again benchmark to defend Hindus ? 

 

Political compulsions makes folks do amazing intellectual gymnastics. 

[Lone Wolf]

43 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

I am confused. It was your stand that Modi was not supporting Hindus enough and RG would be a better choice. Noow you are justifying the guy calling for genocide of sanatana dharma. Suddenly the whatabouttery is okay if RG didn't say a word because Modi didn't say a word. So Modi is again benchmark to defend Hindus ? 

 

Political compulsions makes folks do amazing intellectual gymnastics. 

I have said multiple times in other threads that Hindu voters on which Modi is running on he isn't nearly doing anything special...  His target audience has now become lal dulari OBC community... Other bunch are taken for granted...  Any other leader BJP would be wiped in next election.  His brand is what makes BJP a force possible. 

 

RaGa is not running on these ideals...  He is questioning Modi on national issues & border issues.  Seeing him intimidated by XI Jinping in that sofa video shows his age & negotiating power are all on sudden decline & all subsequent events proved it. 

Closing your eyes doesn't makes things all rosy. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, diga said:

I'm sure you have been long enough on this forum to understand the modus operandi... Anything BJP or Modi does gets more traction from the usual suspects and no wonder most of them are Abrahamics or Anarchists 

Except Pakistanis...  They don't matter when it comes to Modi or BJP. 

Indian abrahamics should be open if they dislike Modi or BJP.  Even Sikhs don't like BJP & prefer their tormentors Congress over them. 

Every one has their own take on Indian politics.  This is what happens when Country is so divided by so many factors. 

Modi & BJP are not India...  And should be opposed or supported by personal choice.  They are public servants not our overlords at the end of the day. 

You can oppose a individual or a party as long as it its not harmful to your own country. 

Never make political leaders cult figures...  A lesson we should have learnt long time ago. 

[diga]

35 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Except Pakistanis...  They don't matter when it comes to Modi or BJP. 

Indian abrahamics should be open if they dislike Modi or BJP.  Even Sikhs don't like BJP & prefer their tormentors Congress over them. 

Every one has their own take on Indian politics.  This is what happens when Country is so divided by so many factors. 

Modi & BJP are not India...  And should be opposed or supported by personal choice.  They are public servants not our overlords at the end of the day. 

You can oppose a individual or a party as long as it its not harmful to your own country. 

Never make political leaders cult figures...  A lesson we should have learnt long time ago. 

See the thread on DMK nepo kid and judge for yourself .. 

 

[someone]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

I have said multiple times in other threads that Hindu voters on which Modi is running on he isn't nearly doing anything special...  His target audience has now become lal dulari OBC community... Other bunch are taken for granted...  Any other leader BJP would be wiped in next election.  His brand is what makes BJP a force possible. 

 

RaGa is not running on these ideals...  He is questioning Modi on national issues & border issues.  Seeing him intimidated by XI Jinping in that sofa video shows his age & negotiating power are all on sudden decline & all subsequent events proved it. 

Closing your eyes doesn't makes things all rosy. 

 

Seriously flawed. He and his party signed MOU with them. They didn't build border roads because they were scared and intimated.

 

BJP is only doing what Congress failed to do. It's decades of old problems which BJP is resolving. Nothing new.

 

Hating Modi doesn't give him a clean chit, RaGa track record is pathetic, combined with full arrogance, and undemocratic

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, diga said:

See the thread on DMK nepo kid and judge for yourself .. 

 

I honestly don't care what that guy has to say... He is playing usual Periyar politics. 

If he seriously believes Sanatana Dharma can be wiped out then he or anyone else should be in mental institution.  There is a reason he is saying all this in a safe space. 

Such people pose no threat to anyone.  They are bogus & phonies.  

[Lone Wolf]

47 minutes ago, someone said:

 

Seriously flawed. He and his party signed MOU with them. They didn't build border roads because they were scared and intimated.

 

BJP is only doing what Congress failed to do. It's decades of old problems which BJP is resolving. Nothing new.

 

Hating Modi doesn't give him a clean chit, RaGa track record is pathetic, combined with full arrogance, and undemocratic

That's what they want you to believe.  20 years down the lane...  People would be calling Modi all sorts of things once his border policy with Chinese is exposed.  That's how things roll in India.  That's what happened to Nehru as well.  Except Indira (67) & Rajiv (87) nobody has come closer to deter Chinese aggression  

Everything comes up after a certain time. 

Btw Chinese have still occupied Depsang Plains... And India isn't patrolling to Karakoram pass where Much maligned Gen HS Panag used to roll tanks. 

XI has declined peace talks on the face of Modi in BRICS who failed to bring him at negotiating table even at a request.  Signs of a poor old declining leader. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Lone Wolf

[ravishingravi]

32 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The problem with the current BJP bots is that they are single issue voters.

 

They will support BJP to death just because to them it gives a "safe harbour for Hindus".

 

An 80% Hindu Majority country is afraid of safety is laughable but all we need to know about censorship and corporatism.

 

The reality is that Modi has massively failed against China. The mess was created when Modi joined BRICS to isolate the US and Nato.

 

This was after like a fool (probably Shah's idea) he blocked TikTok and made Chinese investments in PayTM etc. as a national security issue. Instead of actually making a real case against Chinese imports to India like OPPO, Huawei, Xiaomi etc. which would have really brought Xi to the table.

 

But if he did that, it would hurt Ambani, Adani and other corporates who rely on cheap products from China to grow their services and infrastructure empire.

 

This is what "bluster without purpose" means. Modi and Shah knew they cannot win against China in diplomacy so banning TikTok was easy to placate the Bots and corporate media.

 

Even after joining BRICS, China and Xi Jinping are not willing to make any concessions.

 

If India has to counter China - it needs US and Nato behind them. But that ship has long sailed with BRICS.

 

Xi Jinping has insane leverage with India now as he knows that by joining BRICS, India has effectively ceded the leadership of BRICS to China as they are the one who benefits the most from it with their Belt and Road initiative etc.

 

Anyway, discussing this level of depth with BJP bots is futile as they read and watch Twitter and YouTube shorts for 1 minute news to satisfy their beliefs.

 

This is the most frustrating part of the country today.

 

Would have been amazing to have some facts in this long post. 

[Lone Wolf]

8 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The problem with the current BJP bots is that they are single issue voters.

 

They will support BJP to death just because to them it gives a "safe harbour for Hindus".

 

An 80% Hindu Majority country is afraid of safety is laughable but all we need to know about censorship and corporatism.

 

The reality is that Modi has massively failed against China. The mess was created when Modi joined BRICS to isolate the US and Nato.

 

This was after like a fool (probably Shah's idea) he blocked TikTok and made Chinese investments in PayTM etc. as a national security issue. Instead of actually making a real case against Chinese imports to India like OPPO, Huawei, Xiaomi etc. which would have really brought Xi to the table.

 

But if he did that, it would hurt Ambani, Adani and other corporates who rely on cheap products from China to grow their services and infrastructure empire.

 

This is what "bluster without purpose" means. Modi and Shah knew they cannot win against China in diplomacy so banning TikTok was easy to placate the Bots and corporate media.

 

Even after joining BRICS, China and Xi Jinping are not willing to make any concessions.

 

If India has to counter China - it needs US and Nato behind them. But that ship has long sailed with BRICS.

 

Xi Jinping has insane leverage with India now as he knows that by joining BRICS, India has effectively ceded the leadership of BRICS to China as they are the one who benefits the most from it with their Belt and Road initiative etc.

 

Anyway, discussing this level of depth with BJP bots is futile as they read and watch Twitter and YouTube shorts for 1 minute news to satisfy their beliefs.

 

This is the most frustrating part of the country today.

I knew he had leverage but the extent of his arrogance towards Modi showed all we need to see.

Strong man image is crucial for Domestic audience consumption but he got exposed brutally in BRICS.  He was the one who asked to negotiate but XI paid no heed as he knows he has all what he needs.  He acted like a bully & a top dog. 

Fan boys don't consider India as their first priority but a political party or a leader which is sad to see. 

These guys would worship Nehru in the 60's who had otherworldly fan following among Indians. 

You can't convince someone who has his eyes blinded deliberately. 

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

What facts do you need other than Modi bowing down to Xi Jinping?

 

China openly changed the map to control Indian territory.

 

Since the Galwan Valley skirmish other than banning Chinese apps like TikTok what has Modi/Shah achieved?

 

To make matters worse went and joined BRICS to further align with China against the west just so India can get cheaper Russian Oil which directly benefits Reliance as they own the world's biggest oil refinery and to a smaller extent Indian Oil corporation.

 

All the bluster is always against Pak which is the size of UP and never a contender. When it came to real threat, ran away from the challenge.

 

Not a single Chinese import has been banned. Banning TikTok has zero impact to China. But banning Huawei or Xiami and other cell phone makers does But Modi/Shah know very well that if they go too aggressive against China they will retaliate in a big way.

 

India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020. Plus close to 2000 sq km near Galwan. If Pakistan did the same thing it would have turned to a war. But ceded so much land to China just because of corporations who own the current government didn't want one.

 

But anyway a BJP bot like you will never understand that. Geo politics needs leadership that requires long term vision not short term media censorship and planning

Lol US has bigger axe to grind against china even they couldn’t ban TikTok. World is dependent on supply chain in china. USA has kickstarted the migration of these supply chains to other countries. If you stop imports from china it will hurt india as well. Indian govt banned laptops and computers imports. The banning is a slow process you need to have alternatives before a blanket ban. Importing Russia oil doesn’t mean India is joining hands with china. While you are in US and enjoying cheaper oil prices the common of India will suffer without cheap Russian oil. India also still sees Russia as an important partner.

Edited September 4, 2023 by gattaca

[Lone Wolf]

5 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

What facts do you need other than Modi bowing down to Xi Jinping?

 

China openly changed the map to control Indian territory.

 

Since the Galwan Valley skirmish other than banning Chinese apps like TikTok what has Modi/Shah achieved?

 

To make matters worse went and joined BRICS to further align with China against the west just so India can get cheaper Russian Oil which directly benefits Reliance as they own the world's biggest oil refinery and to a smaller extent Indian Oil corporation.

 

All the bluster is always against Pak which is the size of UP and never a contender. When it came to real threat, ran away from the challenge.

 

Not a single Chinese import has been banned. Banning TikTok has zero impact to China. But banning Huawei or Xiami and other cell phone makers does But Modi/Shah know very well that if they go too aggressive against China they will retaliate in a big way.

 

India had lost access to 26 out of 65 Patrolling Points in eastern Ladakh since June 2020. Plus close to 2000 sq km near Galwan. If Pakistan did the same thing it would have turned to a war. But ceded so much land to China just because of corporations who own the current government didn't want one.

 

But anyway a BJP bot like you will never understand that. Geo politics needs leadership that requires long term vision not short term media censorship and planning

Official stand is China has refused to budge at all from Depsang Plains since 2020...  It is a large stretch of land in Sub sector North (SSN)  which enabled us access to Karakoram pass &,  Xinjiang. 

Multiple round of talks have failed. 

Now latest is they have set up posts in Demchok (SE Ladakh) including bringing locals. 

 

Pangong TSO which was widely reported is that buffer zones have been set up on Indian side...  Imagine losing or setting up buffer zones on your own portion.  Successful salami slicing. 

[ravishingravi]

Rahul, the dynamic and young warrior for Hindus has spoken. Through his minion. 

 

https://twitter.com/IndiaSpeaksPR/status/1698599950676787434?t=V7YrqkwKP2HHB3wn1-0MYQ&s=19