Harshit Rana

[rkt.india]

On 11/2/2024 at 12:00 AM, wanted_desi said:

 

Who cares if they are seeing him bowling 128-132 kmph, no swing and consistency. All they see is matches played at this point of time. 

 

Ravi Shastri in the commentary mentioned it that he is low in pace. Only person who said it. 

[Chaos]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Ravi Shastri in the commentary mentioned it that he is low in pace. Only person who said it. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Ravi Shastri in the commentary mentioned it that he is low in pace. Only person who said it. 

 

Doull said it too. Said that the old Siraj used to bowl high 130s to early 140s. 

 

Gavaskar said that speed does not matter if ball is moving. It is another matter that ball is not moving. 

[tapandrun]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Doull said it too. Said that the old Siraj used to bowl high 130s to early 140s. 

 

Gavaskar said that speed does not matter if ball is moving. It is another matter that ball is not moving. 

Right there, this is where Ind cricketing system does not understand fast bowling, Gavaskar Ind's best batter played against the top fast bowlers in the history know how hard is to bat against such bowlers and always had good words for their pace line-up but when comes to Ind bowlers he says "speed does not matter ". Yes only speed does not matter but swing,seam, bounce at high speeds is difficult to negotiate forget about scoring runs.

 

Because of ppl like Gavaskar its deep rooted in Ind cricketing circles to say and believe  "speed does not matter ". even when sachin is asked about which fast bowler was difficult for him he would too give weird answers like cronje or some other part time bowler.

 

And when your top batters does not appreciate fast bowling to whom ppl look-up to this become a thing of that system.

Some1 tries to bowl fast -tell them speed does not matter sachin and gavaskar said so.

Some1 tries to add sweep/reverse sweep/ramp etc tell them have sachin/gavaskar/kolhi ever played those shots, you donot need those shots to score runs.

 

Not long back Gavaskar and other Ind commentators would criticize Ind batters if they play modern t20 shots and that's why Ind only has Sky who is proper t20 batter.

And those who are developing those shots are batters in their 30s like DK, Tripathi who knows there is no other format they can be selected so why not to fully commit to t20s 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3 by tapandrun

[express bowling]

51 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Right there, this is where Ind cricketing system does not understand fast bowling, Gavaskar Ind's best batter played against the top fast bowlers in the history know how hard is to bat against such bowlers and always had good words for their pace line-up but when comes to Ind bowlers he says "speed does not matter ". Yes only speed does not matter but swing,seam, bounce at high speeds is difficult to negotiate forget about scoring runs.

 

Because of ppl like Gavaskar its deep rooted in Ind cricketing circles to say and believe  "speed does not matter ". even when sachin is asked about which fast bowler was difficult for him he would too give weird answers like cronje or some other part time bowler.

 

And when your top batters does not appreciate fast bowling to whom ppl look-up to this become a thing of that system.

Some1 tries to bowl fast -tell them speed does not matter sachin and gavaskar said so.

Some1 tries to add sweep/reverse sweep/ramp etc tell them have sachin/gavaskar/kolhi ever played those shots, you donot need those shots to score runs.

 

Not long back Gavaskar and other Ind commentators would criticize Ind batters if they play modern t20 shots and that's why Ind only has Sky who is proper t20 batter.

And those who are developing those shots are batters in their 30s like DK, Tripathi who knows there is no other format they can be selected so why not to fully commit to t20s 

 

 

Someone should ask them if the great WI attacks would have been the same if they bowled 125 k to 135 k. 

[Ultimate_Game]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Doull said it too. Said that the old Siraj used to bowl high 130s to early 140s. 

 

Gavaskar said that speed does not matter if ball is moving. It is another matter that ball is not moving. 

 

Then drop him and let him play domestic cricket. Get in Harshit who's in form and is a better bet to take wkts. Or get in someone like Axar who's better in all 3 disciplines.

[Nikhil_cric]

Only time Siraj was consistently quick enough was in 2021.

 

Alarming drop in pace. 

 

 

[Vk1]

20 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Only time Siraj was consistently quick enough was in 2021.

 

Alarming drop in pace. 

 

 

I am assuming he can still selectively bowl high 140s in IPL to rile up the crowd. Being consistent in pace + long Test match career is not easy for most of our bowlers.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Vk1 said:

I am assuming he can still selectively bowl high 140s in IPL to rile up the crowd. Being consistent in pace + long Test match career is not easy for most of our bowlers.

Rhytmic run up has to be there to sustain in Tests. I haven't closely checked his action.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Only time Siraj was consistently quick enough was in 2021.

 

Alarming drop in pace. 

 

 

Siraj was quicker in 2022 and 2023. 

 

Regularly crossed 147 k in Asia Cup 2023. Was crossing 144/145 k in most matches in World Cup 23 too. Crossed 150 k in IPL 23.

 

Bowled 140 k - 145 k in the 5th test in England 2022. Was sharp in SA 22 too. 

 

2023 was Siraj's quickest year as an international cricketer. 2024 is his slowest year. 

Edited November 4 by express bowling

[Nikhil_cric]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Siraj was quicker in 2022 and 2023. 

 

Regularly crossed 147 k in Asia Cup 2023. Was crossing 144/145 k in most matches in World Cup 23 too. Crossed 150 k in IPL 23.

 

Bowled 140 k - 145 k in the 5th test in England 2022. Was sharp in SA 22 too. 

 

2023 was Siraj's quickest year as an international cricketer. 2024 is his slowest year. 

Talking strictly Test cricket.

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Talking strictly Test cricket.

 

Siraj's pace tapered off in tests from late 2023. 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Siraj's pace tapered off in tests from late 2023. 

 

 

I put up an article with data earlier somewhere on ICF. Siraj's percentage of deliveries declined drastically after 2021 in Tests. 

 

Edit: 

 

https://www.cricket.com/news/what-ails-mohammed-siraj-10222024-1729591602381

 

Edited November 4 by Nikhil_cric

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Vk1 said:

I am assuming he can still selectively bowl high 140s in IPL to rile up the crowd. Being consistent in pace + long Test match career is not easy for most of our bowlers.

Siraj has reduced his run-up which has resulted in loss of pace.

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I put up an article with data earlier somewhere on ICF. Siraj's percentage of deliveries declined drastically after 2021 in Tests. 

 

Edit: 

 

https://www.cricket.com/news/what-ails-mohammed-siraj-10222024-1729591602381

 

 

This is data including 2021. Don't know about it's authenticity as Bumrah definitely bowled a very high % of balls at 135 k+ till 2022. Probably >90%. Even after his return in.late 2023, his average speeds in tests have been 137 k+ or 138 k+ when shown on TV. 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

This is data including 2021. Don't know about it's authenticity as Bumrah definitely bowled a very high % of balls at 135 k+ till 2022. Probably >90%. Even after his return in.late 2023, his average speeds in tests have been 137 k+ or 138 k+ when shown on TV. 

It's authentic.  And analysts log every ball .

As fans we only remember the best of our bowlers. 

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

It's authentic.  And analysts log every ball .

As fans we only remember the best of our bowlers. 

 

Not depending on my memory. I check ball by ball speeds from Hawk-eye for all Indian 140 k+ pacers and keep a note of speed ranges for every innings.

Edited November 5 by express bowling

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Not depending on my memory. I check ball by ball speeds from Hawk-eye for all Indian 140 k+ pacers and keep a note of speed ranges. 

You can only that for Tests in India?  This is for all Tests played .

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

You can only that for Tests in India?  This is for all Tests played .

 

Available for most India matches.

Edited November 5 by express bowling

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

  This is for all Tests played .

 

What I have noticed is that Bumrah usually stays in the 134 k to 143 k range these days after a slowish 1st over ... and goes to 138 k to 145 k / 147 k when he goes into his yorker / bouncer mode. [ These ranges were about 2 k  higher from 2017 to 2022 with him touching 150 k on occasions  ] 

 

In the 2nd test vs BD and 2nd test vs NZ recently, he bowled a significant % of deliveries at 129 k to 134 k, which I have never seen before. Probably preserving himself for BGT.