coffee_rules Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 1 minute ago, goose said: Which Indian democrats have risen to the very top or cabinet? I’m not convinced a left leaning Indian can make it to the top in the US / UK. I misunderstood your comment then. Come to attention means winning any election, in states and congress there are more democrat desis. But, yes to reach the top position like Rishi or Vivek is an exception. They usually try to blend in among the white Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, goose said: Which Indian democrats have risen to the very top or cabinet? I’m not convinced a left leaning Indian can make it to the top in the US / UK. None lol. Kamala Harris still identifies herself as black. Ro khanna, jayapal are few others are there but none of them can be president as they are born in India but they could have gotten bigger role in govt but they are ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I misunderstood your comment then. Come to attention means winning any election, in states and congress there are more democrat desis. But, yes to reach the top position like Rishi or Vivek is an exception. They usually try to blend in among the white Christians. So the question mark over any right leaning Indian aiming for the top is have they packaged themselves that way to make it to the top versus authenticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, goose said: So the question mark over any right leaning Indian aiming for the top is have they packaged themselves that way to make it to the top versus authenticity. Authentic politicians are an illusion anyway. It is how honestly they portray for others to perceive . I don’t know if VR honestly believes that Trump is the best President in the 21st century. I’d go for Obama. VR is most likely saying it to gain votes. But a lot of politicians do, even Obama . He captured moderate votes on race, while being a white Christian in perception. He is a master of deception. goose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 58 minutes ago, goose said: So the question mark over any right leaning Indian aiming for the top is have they packaged themselves that way to make it to the top versus authenticity. Not necessarily. If they have grown up in privilege, they may authentically identify with the well-to-do and believe that their own privilege is highly deserved because they are somehow "chosen" or "better" than the other minorities who are struggling; that the struggles faced by African-Americans, Latinos etc. is entirely due to their laziness or whatever. The "if I could do it without any Govt support, why not them?" attitude. What is lost on them is that they are the outliers. So, they are not really packaging themselves, they truly believe what they say. They're just wrong :-). goose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Authentic politicians are an illusion anyway. It is how honestly they portray for others to perceive . I don’t know if VR honestly believes that Trump is the best President in the 21st century. I’d go for Obama. VR is most likely saying it to gain votes. But a lot of politicians do, even Obama . He captured moderate votes on race, while being a white Christian in perception. He is a master of deception. Narcissism, along with a knack for manipulation, deception and obfuscation, is a prerquisite for success in big-time politics. You might find authentic servant-leaders at the local level, but they will not rise (stoop?) towards success nationally. And that ... is a real pity. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 When VR goes up against Trump he’s going to say this isn’t a 50.1 moment, great strategy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) Vivek R is more evidence that we undoubtedly live in the post truth era. https://reason.com/2023/08/23/vivek-ramaswamys-popular-incoherence/?itm_source=parsely-api Ramaswamy's two-step of asking provocative questions and then blaming the media for the way they report on his comments is, consciously or not, strategic. Animus against the press has been the ideological glue holding the Republican coalition together since long before Trump; if you think a GOP primary candidate is going to materially suffer from a CNN headline like "Fact check: Audio debunks Vivek Ramaswamy's false claim that he was misquoted about 9/11," then I envy your naiveté. It's a bad, if unsurprising, look for any aspiring president to lie, especially those whose campaign motto is "Truth." But it's worth reflecting on how voters themselves have incentivized politicians—from Donald Trump to Joe Biden to Barack Obama to John McCain—to do precisely that. In June," Kaminsky reported, in one of several similar examples, "Ramaswamy posted a video on Twitter about the federal holiday Juneteenth, which aims to commemorate the end of slavery in the U.S., calling it 'a celebration of the American dream itself.'…Just two months later, in August, Ramaswamy told voters in Iowa that Juneteenth was 'useless.'" The populist twist on this hoary old tactic, perfected by Trump but also embraced by both Ramaswamy and Democratic challenger Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is to use journalistic criticism of candidate dishonesty and sloppiness by not only claiming victimhood at the hands of the media but using it as an opportunity to open fire against the entire disgraced establishment Edited August 25, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted August 26, 2023 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Vivek R is more evidence that we undoubtedly live in the post truth era. https://reason.com/2023/08/23/vivek-ramaswamys-popular-incoherence/?itm_source=parsely-api Ramaswamy's two-step of asking provocative questions and then blaming the media for the way they report on his comments is, consciously or not, strategic. Animus against the press has been the ideological glue holding the Republican coalition together since long before Trump; if you think a GOP primary candidate is going to materially suffer from a CNN headline like "Fact check: Audio debunks Vivek Ramaswamy's false claim that he was misquoted about 9/11," then I envy your naiveté. It's a bad, if unsurprising, look for any aspiring president to lie, especially those whose campaign motto is "Truth." But it's worth reflecting on how voters themselves have incentivized politicians—from Donald Trump to Joe Biden to Barack Obama to John McCain—to do precisely that. In June," Kaminsky reported, in one of several similar examples, "Ramaswamy posted a video on Twitter about the federal holiday Juneteenth, which aims to commemorate the end of slavery in the U.S., calling it 'a celebration of the American dream itself.'…Just two months later, in August, Ramaswamy told voters in Iowa that Juneteenth was 'useless.'" The populist twist on this hoary old tactic, perfected by Trump but also embraced by both Ramaswamy and Democratic challenger Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is to use journalistic criticism of candidate dishonesty and sloppiness by not only claiming victimhood at the hands of the media but using it as an opportunity to open fire against the entire disgraced establishment I was hoping for the article to point out some lies. I guess it was never not a post truth era. If this Juneteenth statement is the biggest of evidence of lie, he must be most truthful politician in history. Edited August 26, 2023 by ravishingravi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, ravishingravi said: I was hoping for the article to point out some lies. I guess it was never not a post truth era. If this Juneteenth statement is the biggest of evidence of lie, he must be most truthful politician in history. The lie is the insistence that he was misquoted regarding his 9/11 conspiracy stance. At first, I had given him the benefit of the doubt that he was misquoted. But once the audio came out, it was clear he was trying to wiggle his way out of a lie. https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/08/22/recording-debunks-vivek-ramaswamys-denial-of-911-comments-questioning-whether-federal-agents-were-on-the-planes/?sh=602ec1a15ebe The Juneteenth thing? It's not a lie. It's a stupid gaffe, and speaks to chamelionic tendencies. Evidence that he is just the politician he claims not to be. Edited August 26, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 This man will never, ever the president of US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Khota said: This man will should never, ever the president of US. Corrected for you. He's a glib salesman with a brilliant mind filled with facts that he has created, deposited and intransigently believes in. Khota and Lone Wolf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 23 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Corrected for you. He's a glib salesman with a brilliant mind filled with facts that he has created, deposited and intransigently believes in. He is impersonating Trump in all ways. Like the Ukraine policy and anti-woke things, but he will be taken care of soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: He is impersonating Trump in all ways. Like the Ukraine policy and anti-woke things, but he will be taken care of soon. He may be gunning to replace Pence on the Trump ticket. Trumpaswamy. nevada and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: He is impersonating Trump in all ways. Like the Ukraine policy and anti-woke things, but he will be taken care of soon. Best case scenario he lands himself a cabinet role somehow if Republicans win which is not a sure thing either. If brand building he is after... He's doing a great job. The Far Right base he is pandering won't ever vote for a brown Hindu dude who they believe worships Satan lol but will keep the seat warm for Trump. Good luck to him though. nevada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Khota said: This man will never, ever the president of US. Why is he trying to alienate young voters is beyond me? His biggest advantage was that he is young & fresh.. Rishi Sunak is infinitely better than this guy & he doesn't get enough credit for it. Someone like him would have destroyed Haley or Pence on that stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 The Trumpaswamy ticket coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Why is he trying to alienate young voters is beyond me? His biggest advantage was that he is young & fresh.. Rishi Sunak is infinitely better than this guy & he doesn't get enough credit for it. Someone like him would have destroyed Haley or Pence on that stage. Sunak is much smarter than this wannabee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Why is he trying to alienate young voters is beyond me? His biggest advantage was that he is young & fresh.. Rishi Sunak is infinitely better than this guy & he doesn't get enough credit for it. Someone like him would have destroyed Haley or Pence on that stage. On what substantive points could he have destroyed Haley or Pence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I’m no American but I’ve noticed Vivek has the intellect to push a nuanced viewpoint that sounds Trumpian if taken as a headline but actually contains more than a grain of truth. Example - climate agenda is a hoax (the headline) but climate change due to man he concedes is real. He does this often and with good effect. He will go far. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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