ravishingravi Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: It must be said though that both Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley embraced Christianity and had assimilated into life in the South. Bobby Jindal converted in this youth, and Haley did so upon marriage (I think). And although she never gave up her Sikh roots, her being a Christian wife helped her with South Carolinians. It will be different with Ramaswamy, I think. He may garner votes from immigrant communities and young urban neo-conservatives, but may be hard-pressed to make a dent in the Baptist or Evangelican circles, if he is still a practicing Hindu. For all of America's chest-thumping about "separation of church and state," it has become very clear that there is still a significant demographic that needs assurance that the Caucasian Christian world will not be under threat. Trump provided that for them with his anti-Muslim, anti-Latino "let's support more immigration from Norway but not from "****-holes"" rhetoric. What can VR offer them? Talking about his faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, gattaca said: He was black and he is elected from Democratic Party. Republican voters doubt will elect a non white non Christian . They would have also not voted for the guy who talked about grabbing them by their p$$$$. To make assumptions as before is foolhardy. Fault lines are different now. Positions woke, gender, vaccines, renewable and then some usual ones like immigration, Ukraine, fiscal, fossil fuel, tax etc. Frankly so many folks have been eating their words over last 15 years, I am not sure how anyone can be dead sure anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, ravishingravi said: They would have also not voted for the guy who talked about grabbing them by their p$$$$. To make assumptions as before is foolhardy. Fault lines are different now. Positions woke, gender, vaccines, renewable and then some usual ones like immigration, Ukraine, fiscal, fossil fuel, tax etc. Frankly so many folks have been eating their words over last 15 years, I am not sure how anyone can be dead sure anymore. I am making no assumptions. I am stating based on data I have. I didn’t see a non Christian governer in south or non white presidential nominee from Republican Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Guys please don’t bring Bobby jindal example. The guy clearly had issues with his identity as Indian origin. He converted, had non brown portrait in governors office and never embraced himself as Indian origin at least Nikki Haley does that. The guy even secretly recorded his own family before announcing for 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, gattaca said: I am making no assumptions. I am stating based on data I have. I didn’t see a non Christian governer in south or non white presidential nominee from Republican Party. But then that same data should also tell you that demography has shifted in US. Its natural that conservative party takes longer to adapt to the change. It's also function of finding a good candidate and winnability. Jindal was actually put forth to reply to Obama's state of the union. That's a major projection. But it turned out to be such a disaster that Jindal never recovered from it. Almost 10 years ago. No mediocre non white will get through on either party. Obama was in another league. And same will be true for republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, gattaca said: But they were all christian converts. A Hindu being elected will be tough for a presidential candidate even as governor in southern states. Evangelical pastors have sway in elections remember Mike pence was selected to sway them during trump era. Xactly what I said ;-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, gattaca said: I am making no assumptions. I am stating based on data I have. I didn’t see a non Christian governer in south or non white presidential nominee from Republican Party. To be fair, Trump is no Christian. But he is enough of an anti-Muslim, anti-non-white-immigrant, pro-abortion-after-being-anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ - in other words, enough of an anti-everything that being close to an anti-Christ is forgiven. Strange bedfellowing. The White Christian nationalists (to use an NPR term) don't necessarily need someone who is a Christian in real life. They just need someone who will assure them that they will promote all the other "values" that appeal to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Talking about his faith From the article that the tweet links to: Bristol Smith, a manager at a McDonald’s in Maryville, Tenn., came across Vivek Ramaswamy’s name this spring, shortly after Mr. Ramaswamy, an entrepreneur, announced he was running for president. Mr. Smith was intrigued. He liked the way Mr. Ramaswamy “stands up against the wokeness” and his plan to send the military to the southern border to combat drug cartels. He respected Mr. Ramaswamy’s acumen as a businessman worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Then Mr. Smith, 25, searched for Mr. Ramaswamy’s faith. Mr. Smith is an evangelical Christian who recently started a small church that meets at his parents’ house. “I looked up his religion and saw he’s Hindu,” he recalled. “I was going to vote for him until that came up.” What the country needs is to be “put back under God,” as Mr. Smith sees it, and he doesn’t want to take a chance on someone who is not a Christian. At that point, he said, “I got back on President Trump’s train.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And here's his rather lame compromise ("I am a monotheist. One God"). What will happen when it is found out that the God he means could be Shri Guruvayurappan? Mr. Ramaswamy’s emphasis on his belief in one God has a long history for Hindus in the United States, especially those speaking to white Christian audiences, said Michael Altman, a professor of religious studies at the University of Alabama. Swami Vivekananda, who represented Hinduism at the Parliament of the World’s Religions in Chicago in 1893, took pains to depict his faith as monotheistic, in contrast to the stereotypes of its followers as “heathen” polytheists. Although the faith has many deities, they are generally subordinate to one ultimate “reality.” Many Hindus and scholars say its theology is too complex to be described as either wholly monotheistic or wholly polytheistic. “The polytheism hurdle is the first thing that has to be addressed” for many American Christian audiences, Mr. Altman said. He sees Mr. Ramaswamy’s pitch against “wokeism” as a way to counter stereotypes associating Hinduism with hippies, yoga and vegetarianism. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And like I said, Trump is not a Christian, but served as their attack-dog. Some evangelical observers say it was former President Donald J. Trump who opened up a new lane for Republican candidates who were not necessarily people that voters would expect to sit next to in church on Sunday morning. Many evangelical voters embraced the crude, thrice-married casino magnate not because he was one of them but because they believed he would fight in the public square on their behalf. Edited July 9, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 @gattaca @ravishingravi Thank you both for making my Sunday afternoon unproductive. OK, so, now he wants to raise the voting age to 25. He wants to abolish birthright citizenship. Really? It had better come out that he was born after his parents got citizenship. ravishingravi, gattaca and Lord 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 And the reference to Swami Vivekananda reminded me of this: coffee_rules and ravishingravi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 3 hours ago, gattaca said: He is a billionaire. I don’t think he is being used against free will to fight in elections. He is definitely a good orator. But whites to vote a brown person to presidency is far fetched especially from Republican Party. They will vote for any token brown. That is what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: @gattaca @ravishingravi Thank you both for making my Sunday afternoon unproductive. OK, so, now he wants to raise the voting age to 25. He wants to abolish birthright citizenship. Really? It had better come out that he was born after his parents got citizenship. Time is always short do spend with family BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 On 7/9/2023 at 2:58 PM, BacktoCricaddict said: And the reference to Swami Vivekananda reminded me of this: Vivek ka mundan karwa diya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 On 7/9/2023 at 2:54 PM, BacktoCricaddict said: @gattaca @ravishingravi Thank you both for making my Sunday afternoon unproductive. OK, so, now he wants to raise the voting age to 25. He wants to abolish birthright citizenship. Really? It had better come out that he was born after his parents got citizenship. I don’t know what he says is so wrong. Every legal immigrant wants a crackdown on illegal migration. Don’t we cry about Rohingya and Bdeshis in India getting voter ID and Aadhar card? Plus illegal immigration is a cause for human trafficking which is a major humanitarian issue that all should care. Women and children are exploited. I don’t know why Indians hate VR so much? Meanwhile, he wants the Kardashians to take a civics test like all immigrants who go through naturalized citizenship Are all American Desi politicians douchebags? Can’t think of one who isn’t. Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, that Ro Khanna chap, Daleep Singh, this new duffer… unending. pic.twitter.com/PUNIVi9I3l— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) July 10, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I don’t know what he says is so wrong. Every legal immigrant wants a crackdown on illegal migration. Don’t we cry about Rohingya and Bdeshis in India getting voter ID and Aadhar card? Plus illegal immigration is a cause for human trafficking which is a major humanitarian issue that all should care. Women and children are exploited. I don’t know why Indians hate VR so much? Meanwhile, he wants the Kardashians to take a civics test like all immigrants who go through naturalized citizenship Don't assume morons like this one to speak for all Indians. Check the comments. They actually put him down. Shiv is typical low aptitude. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) https://twitter.com/AsraNomani/status/1678604003217666048?t=SlMcLCRmQNOs0pwJF8uzOQ&s=19He handled this beautifully. Edited July 11, 2023 by ravishingravi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 14 hours ago, coffee_rules said: I don’t know what he says is so wrong. Every legal immigrant wants a crackdown on illegal migration. Don’t we cry about Rohingya and Bdeshis in India getting voter ID and Aadhar card? Plus illegal immigration is a cause for human trafficking which is a major humanitarian issue that all should care. Women and children are exploited. I don’t know why Indians hate VR so much? Meanwhile, he wants the Kardashians to take a civics test like all immigrants who go through naturalized citizenship This man is pandering to white supremacy to get votes. No self-respect. If you are looking for a levelheaded politician of Indian origin, it is Ro Khanna. Parmilla Jaipal is O.K. Both of them are better than Piyush, Vivek and Namrata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Khota said: This man is pandering to white supremacy to get votes. No self-respect. If you are looking for a levelheaded politician of Indian origin, it is Ro Khanna. Parmilla Jaipal is O.K. Both of them are better than Piyush, Vivek and Namrata. So, anybody who votes republican , you call them pandering to white supremacists? The ilk you refer to are poison to India, pandering to woke left and Pramila is a Pakistani supporter , is in Pak caucus, wants A370 redacted. Clearly anti-India, anti/Hindu LeLis that should be avoided like mouth-breathing , sneezing Covid spreader! Edited July 11, 2023 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 So Vivek has created a unique fund raising method. Rest assured this guy will make a strong impression at the very least. BacktoCricaddict and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, ravishingravi said: So Vivek has created a unique fund raising method. Rest assured this guy will make a strong impression at the very least. He's correct about this, in principle. Electoral reform is much needed in the US. Dodd-Frank was a step in the wrong direction, and paved the way for what the system is today. What I want to see is specifics on the mechanism of how something like this can be done. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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