AuxiliA Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, mishra said: As a Hindu, I am very clear, To be treated at par and without discrimination, First step is India has to become equivalent to West Naa you need Self-Respect first and foremost. That can only happen if we weed out all anti-Hindu elements from the Indian education system. Our Curriculum only produces self-loathing, low self-esteem individuals. Where abusing (only) Hindu culture is considered to be 'progressive' and anyone who takes even the slightest pride in Hindu history/culture is considered to be 'bigoted' and 'communal'. The single biggest failure of the Modi govt in 11 years has been not doing anything substantial to reform our anti-Hindu education system. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, AuxiliA said: Naa you need Self-Respect first and foremost. That can only happen if we weed out all anti-Hindu elements from the Indian education system. Our Curriculum only produces self-loathing, low self-esteem individuals. Where abusing (only) Hindu culture is considered to be 'progressive' and anyone who takes even the slightest pride in Hindu history/culture is considered to be 'bigoted' and 'communal'. The single biggest failure of the Modi govt in 11 years has been not doing anything substantial to reform our anti-Hindu education system. I agree on that front that While you can not change non Hindus calling u a bigot doesn’t mean that Hindus themselves start calling themselves a bigot, especially if they have a upbringing under Hinduism. On issue of educational reforms, even if we ignore logistical challenges, its huge task, but Think we need it. i don’t think state Boards will ever come on board with reform idea. Infact there will be opposition and exists opposition if centre tries to change it, as people whim we called intellectuals are also out put of same education system mixed with Hinduism upbringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, AuxiliA said: Naa you need Self-Respect first and foremost Each individual must have self-respect that emanates from their own good deeds and worth to the society in which they live. Hard work, compassion, integrity, paying fair share of taxes, love of family members, and, if possible, charity of time and money to help the less fortunate. Beyond that, one owes nothing to no one, including random people or groups of people who happen to share their region of birth. Edited January 22 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Each individual must have self-respect that emanates from their own good deeds and worth to the society in which they live. Hard work, compassion, integrity, paying fair share of taxes, love of family members, and, if possible, charity of time and money to help the less fortunate. Beyond that, one owes nothing to no one, including random people or groups of people who happen to share their region of birth. He is saying one should proud of their identity. In a normal ideal day, one might not need identity, but, in case of some adversity , it will be realized you have no support system of your own. Why do you think people form communities of similar identities - country, region, language , etc? . I don’t prescribe to caste communities, but is needed when you face discrimination of any kind. This is lacking in Hindus in general. They are generally ashamed to congregate even for cultural events forget religious purposes. diga and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuxiliA Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Each individual must have self-respect that emanates from their own good deeds and worth to the society in which they live. Hard work, compassion, integrity, paying fair share of taxes, love of family members, and, if possible, charity of time and money to help the less fortunate. Beyond that, one owes nothing to no one, including random people or groups of people who happen to share their region of birth. Great first para, I fully agree with it but the 2nd para is just ostrich head in sand level of obliviousness. Most of the World doesn't think that way. Try teaching that to the White supermacist christians or the global Islamists or the Chinese CCP. Be kind to everyone but also be aware of the threats you face as a community or else you will suffer badly. Not having Shatrubodh (knowledge about your enemy) cost us massively during the Mediaeval era and beyond. Had we been fully aware of the dangers of foreign invaders and had we united to fight against them as one community we could have repelled them easily and avoided centuries of hardship and literal genocide(both human & cultural). India today would have been the Golden Bird like in the past, far better than what it is now. mishra, BacktoCricaddict, diga and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: Most of the World doesn't think that way. I still have faint hope for that to change. I do see your POV. AuxiliA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Each individual must have self-respect that emanates from their own good deeds and worth to the society in which they live. Hard work, compassion, integrity, paying fair share of taxes, love of family members, and, if possible, charity of time and money to help the less fortunate. Beyond that, one owes nothing to no one, including random people or groups of people who happen to share their region of birth. If you think this way, you will end up as ruddlerless and non cohesive liberals of the west type of a scenario. Vasudeva kutumbakam/ brotherhood of mankind sounds good on paper, but reality is, people group together based on interests and ideology, meaning nationalism( which at it's core is people of a given geographic region showing affiliation due to shared interests dictated by geography) and religion/idealism will always be the prime grouping criterion of species homo sapiens. And those who adhere to this reality and exploit it will go far far further in exercise of power than those who want the fantasy of global brotherhood. That reality can't be changed. Hence why at one point I was like u but I grew up in face of this reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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randomGuy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/22/2025 at 3:05 PM, ravishingravi said: Indian have to first overcome colonial mindset. Indian abroad behave like servants when they should be assertive and clear. This stupidity around citizenship and visa further confirms. Focus on skills not documents. Their country their rules... indians are free to not go to their colleges and their countries seeking jobs My brother had a couple of job offers as a software engineer from Middle East. He rejected those as a matter of principle. But he will take one from western countries I guess if it was on the table. He already has a couple of failed ilets attempts lol.... Imho he's also a slave of the west, mentally, to some degree as the majority of people here. And then for Vivek to say 'it is a matter of culture' isn't entirely correct. USA has fantastic domestic talent but companies want the best from every country...and indian slaves who are very good at tech who want to make their lives better queue up for visa. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 37 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Their country their rules... indians are free to not go to their colleges and their countries seeking jobs My brother had a couple of job offers as a software engineer from Middle East. He rejected those as a matter of principle. But he will take one from western countries I guess if it was on the table. He already has a couple of failed ilets attempts lol.... Imho he's also a slave of the west, mentally, to some degree as the majority of people here. And then for Vivek to say 'it is a matter of culture' isn't entirely correct. USA has fantastic domestic talent but companies want the best from every country...and indian slaves who are very good at tech who want to make their lives better queue up for visa. Nobody is saying that rules should be broken. But don't behave helpless slaves. Seen far too many pravasis behaving like Afghan refugees with no agency in their lives. Nobody can respect such people. Skils and talent makes the world go around. Not begging for visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Nobody is saying that rules should be broken. But don't behave helpless slaves. Seen far too many pravasis behaving like Afghan refugees with no agency in their lives. Nobody can respect such people. Skils and talent makes the world go around. Not begging for visa. Agree 1. Rejection rates 2. Fees. 3. Processing time. 4. Racism... North Indians are bad enough but south indians have worse with darker skin and (used to have?) thicker accent. My brother still works for an American client (a top American bank) but doesn't have to apply for Visa. But I make my thoughts known to him and he also agrees with me Edited January 25 by randomGuy ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Elon Musk worked Vivek Ramaswamy out of DOGE following 'differences' over H-1B visas Source: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/elon-musk-worked-vivek-ramaswamy-out-of-doge-following-differences-over-h-1b-visas/ "Everyone wants him out of Mar-a-Lago, out of DC." According to the report, Ramaswamy's comments on X during a discussion of H-1B visas were the 'main reason' for some Republicans' getting frustrated with him. In December last year, the Indian-origin leader criticised American culture, saying that tech companies hire foreign workers because the country that has "venerated mediocrity over excellence." "They wanted him out before the tweet -- but kicked him to the curb when that came out," one of the three people familiar with his departure, told Politico. Whites don't like Browns talking down to them and telling them to change the culture. A white man is always supposed to save the brown or black culture. Not the other way around. That's how white supremacy works in USA, Canada, AUS, NZ, UK Edited January 25 by Vicks57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Elon Musk worked Vivek Ramaswamy out of DOGE following 'differences' over H-1B visas Source: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/elon-musk-worked-vivek-ramaswamy-out-of-doge-following-differences-over-h-1b-visas/ "Everyone wants him out of Mar-a-Lago, out of DC." According to the report, Ramaswamy's comments on X during a discussion of H-1B visas were the 'main reason' for some Republicans' getting frustrated with him. In December last year, the Indian-origin leader criticised American culture, saying that tech companies hire foreign workers because the country that has "venerated mediocrity over excellence." "They wanted him out before the tweet -- but kicked him to the curb when that came out," one of the three people familiar with his departure, told Politico. Whites don't like Browns talking down to them and telling them to change the culture. A white man is always supposed to save the brown or black culture. Not the other way around. That's how white supremacy works in USA, Canada, AUS, NZ, UK Ah so now we are peddling gossip as facts. How typical Whiteman bootlicker of you. Explain to us in what world is quitting a fed agency to run fir governor a step down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) "Explain to us in what world is quitting a fed agency to run fir governor a step down. " @MuloghontoThat's exactly how it works in USA. It's already explained by one of NRIs here. Don't play dumb, old man. Edited January 25 by Vicks57 Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: "Explain to us in what world is quitting a fed agency to run fir governor a step down. " @MuloghontoThat's exactly how it works in USA. It's already explained by one of NRIs here. Don't play dumb, old man. That's not how it works in the US, foreign child with little political nous. US hierarchy is simple : any elected office is higher status than any appointed federal post, except secretary of state department. Kindly don't try to teach us how our own politics works while u r a noobie foreigner kid. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, randomGuy said: Agree 1. Rejection rates 2. Fees. 3. Processing time. 4. Racism... North Indians are bad enough but south indians have worse with darker skin and (used to have?) thicker accent. My brother still works for an American client (a top American bank) but doesn't have to apply for Visa. But I make my thoughts known to him and he also agrees with me In laws cannot be your parents ever. Western / white land can never give first rate citizenship. Or let's in rare cases only. But it can provide the rights. Rest comes with package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) That Trump moron is threatening to increase the tariffs on BRICS countries by 100 percent. Modi already surrendered to Trump saying India will take back 18000 illegal immigrants. Trump and his morons think climate change is a hoax, wants to increase fracking and reduce the subsidies given to green energy. Trump makes US exit from WHO. Trump also vows to quit Paris Climate Accord. @MuloghontoMAGA morons are repeatedly engaging in racist tirades against Indians and brown sepoys like you love to bend your knees just for more power. Anything for power huh? Bangladesh is developing closer relations with Pakistan's ISI and Modi is turning a blind eye like he is doing in Manipur. When its all said and done, Modi will be remembered as the idiot who made a huge mistake aligning with USA instead of China. Edited January 25 by Vicks57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: That Trump moron is threatening to increase the tariffs on BRICS countries by 100 percent. Modi already surrendered to Trump saying India will take back 18000 illegal immigrants. One step back for 10 steps forward is the play here. Yes, we will make symbolic gesture of taking back a few thousands, then send tens of thousands per year legally every year. All ees well. 13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Trump and his morons think climate change is a hoax, wants to increase fracking and reduce the subsidies given to green energy. Trump makes US exit from WHO. Trump also vows to quit Paris Climate Accord. Dont give a ****. climate change is less important to hindu than hindu advancement. 13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: @MuloghontoMAGA morons are repeatedly engaging in racist tirades against Indians and brown sepoys like you love to bend your knees just for more power. Anything for power huh? Correct. Objective is to see hindu in power and thriving in power. So we will take power and taunts over headpats and no power from the libbus. power benfits those who hold power, so we will take the benefits of power. Also idiot libbu, holding power isnt bending knee. Holding power is making others bend knee. You cannot bend knee and hold power at same time. You are bending the knee for headpats from libbus to the west. Coz you get no power and you have to suckup to your white libbu masters. We get power and randi-rona from your type for choosing advancement of hindu power and hindu interest over 'waaa someone made fun of me online'. Coz as we said, we are 40+ people who hold power, you are a 20 year old idiot child who's never experienced power and probably never will. Instead of lecturing your uncles like a typical spoilt westoid kid, learn from your betters and UNDERSTAND WHY we do what we do while being the best of the best at what we do in every metric in the whole damn world. 13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Bangladesh is developing closer relations with Pakistan's ISI and Modi is turning a blind eye like he is doing in Manipur. Libbu propaganda = something happening in foreign lands = we turning blind eye. If we go bomb them, then we lied, if we sit and plan, then we do nothing. 13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: When its all said and done, Modi will be remembered as the idiot who made a huge mistake aligning with USA instead of China. When all is said and done, Modi will be remembered as the greatest PM in Indian history till his time, doing more to develop India than the sum total of nearly all the PMs before him. Modi didnt align India with USA. Your libbu Maun Mohan Singh did. That is the beginning of US collaboration with the whole GE engines and all that simping. Modi has simply done non alignment perfectly well and only a traitor to india thinks we can actually align with China. Edited January 25 by Muloghonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 "Modi has simply done non alignment perfectly well and only a traitor to india thinks we can actually align with China." Yeah that is why Jaishankar tried to sort out the border issues in Kashmir. Moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: One step back for 10 steps forward is the play here. Yes, we will make symbolic gesture of taking back a few thousands, then send tens of thousands per year legally every year. All ees well. Dont give a ****. climate change is less important to hindu than hindu advancement. Correct. Objective is to see hindu in power and thriving in power. So we will take power and taunts over headpats and no power from the libbus. power benfits those who hold power, so we will take the benefits of power. Also idiot libbu, holding power isnt bending knee. Holding power is making others bend knee. You cannot bend knee and hold power at same time. You are bending the knee for headpats from libbus to the west. Coz you get no power and you have to suckup to your white libbu masters. We get power and randi-rona from your type for choosing advancement of hindu power and hindu interest over 'waaa someone made fun of me online'. Coz as we said, we are 40+ people who hold power, you are a 20 year old idiot child who's never experienced power and probably never will. Instead of lecturing your uncles like a typical spoilt westoid kid, learn from your betters and UNDERSTAND WHY we do what we do while being the best of the best at what we do in every metric in the whole damn world. Libbu propaganda = something happening in foreign lands = we turning blind eye. If we go bomb them, then we lied, if we sit and plan, then we do nothing. When all is said and done, Modi will be remembered as the greatest PM in Indian history till his time, doing more to develop India than the sum total of nearly all the PMs before him. Modi didnt align India with USA. Your libbu Maun Mohan Singh did. That is the beginning of US collaboration with the whole GE engines and all that simping. Modi has simply done non alignment perfectly well and only a traitor to india thinks we can actually align with China. Bangladesh is absolutely coordinating with Pakistan's military and ISI. No one is advocating for India to have a go at Bangladesh What is RAW doing? Sleeping behind the wheel as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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