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The 4 basic qualities needed to be a top pacer .... and tracking Indian pacers who have them now


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26 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Hangrekar 6 overs 48 runs

Harshit Rana 6 overs 51 runs

 

So much of injustice towards youngsters for not getting th chance. Need to get over this delusion as the fact is golden phase is gone and the only hope is that Bumrah and Pant returns back to their old form otherwise there is a clear dearth of talent and quality in the country.

 

It was a high scoring match. Even our best bowler of the tournament, Manav Suthar, went at almost 8 runs an over. Indian batters succumbed to scoreboard pressure in a big match.

 

Both the young quicks bowled decently on a sluggish pitch and tried yorkers and slower balls at the death, which is good.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

It was a high scoring match. Even our best bowler of the tournament, Manav Suthar, went at almost 8 runs an over. Indian batters succumbed to scoreboard pressure in a big match.

 

Both the young quicks bowled decently on a sluggish pitch and tried yorkers and slower balls at the death, which is good.

they didn't bowl well... in fact, they bowled poorly. I think there is nothing wrong in admitting that. they choked hard. however, one game of choking doesn't mean they are poor bowlers as @Majestic has insinuated/stated

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After the World Cup is over, the selectors should look at Mayank Yadav for ODIs. He is one of those pacers who combines pace and bounce with accuracy. And is really good at varying lengths and setting up batters. 

 

He has 28 wickets from just 12 List A matches averaging just 20 and with ER of 5.5. This displays great wicket taking ability. 

 

He has picked 12 wickets from just 5 List A matches in the just concluded Zonal tournament, bowling to better quality batters. 

 

He is just 21 years old, tall and quick. Very impressed !

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

The 3 pacers with all 4 qualities, who had already debuted for India, Bumrah, Siraj and Prasidh, are all in the Asia Cup squad. I like it. 

 

I hope Prasidh is chosen in the World Cup squad too.

 

And Siraj is preferred over Shami in the playing 11.  He has been sensational in ODIs in the last 12 months or so. 

The team management prefers bowler with batting capabilities,so they may prefer Bumrah with Hardik and Shardul. 

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I have never seen an Indian "fast" bowler bowling > 150 kmph at will in an international match like a Brett Lee, Shane Bond or Shoaib Akhtar. The old timers did not have speed guns but looking at footage from Roberts, Holding, Thomson and even Bob Willis, I have no doubt they did.

 

From what I have seen on speed guns Lockie Ferguson types are faster than most/all Indian "fast" bowlers.

 

Most quicker  Indian "fast" bowlers are 140-145 kmph(3 of 6 balls in over) and with this you need either height or some other skill like persistent accuracy, cutters, ability to swing, reverse swing etc.

 

The ability to beat batters with raw pace and intimidation does not exist. That is why tailenders always frustrate Indian sides as the pure fast bowler is not there.

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8 hours ago, express bowling said:

The 3 pacers with all 4 qualities, who had already debuted for India, Bumrah, Siraj and Prasidh, are all in the Asia Cup squad. I like it. 

 

I hope Prasidh is chosen in the World Cup squad too.

 

And Siraj is preferred over Shami in the playing 11.  He has been sensational in ODIs in the last 12 months or so. 

 

Siraj is a certainty. Choice is between Shami and Thakur and I'd prefer Shami.

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17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Almost all the ex Indian players are saying otherwise and they somehow most of them think alike. 

Thakur can be given an old ball - even 37 overs old...... and even then against set batsmen. That is his fate/destiny.

 

Bumrah, Shami and Siraj all want the new ball as in fresh new ball against new batsmen. Esp Bumrah and Shami.

 

Bumrah is one - but who amongst Shami and Siraj?

 

Shami? Will he get the wickets up front in the PP? 

 

Siraj is most likely to get wickets with the new ball - but he will be trumped by Shami. Ex-cricketers can "say" what they want but asked to pick between Siraj and Shami to get new ball, Dravid, Rohit and Bumrah will pick Shami.

 

If a couple of wickets are not taken with the new ball in ODI vs Aus/Eng/Pak/NZ and even SA/SL- we are on the backfoot and odds are high of match being lost. Wickets upfront are key.

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19 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

Siraj is most likely to get wickets with the new ball - but he will be trumped by Shami. Ex-cricketers can "say" what they want but asked to pick between Siraj and Shami to get new ball, Dravid, Rohit and Bumrah will pick Shami.

 

 

Indian ex-cricketers are picking Shami too and leaving out Siraj.

 

As Laxman once explained in commentary, the culture in the Indian team is to always pick the "Senior" and he supported it too. 

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23 minutes ago, AKane said:

Thakur can be given an old ball - even 37 overs old...... and even then against set batsmen. That is his fate/destiny.

 

Bumrah, Shami and Siraj all want the new ball as in fresh new ball against new batsmen. Esp Bumrah and Shami.

 

Bumrah is one - but who amongst Shami and Siraj?

 

Shami? Will he get the wickets up front in the PP? 

 

Siraj is most likely to get wickets with the new ball - but he will be trumped by Shami. Ex-cricketers can "say" what they want but asked to pick between Siraj and Shami to get new ball, Dravid, Rohit and Bumrah will pick Shami.

 

If a couple of wickets are not taken with the new ball in ODI vs Aus/Eng/Pak/NZ and even SA/SL- we are on the backfoot and odds are high of match being lost. Wickets upfront are key.

 

Bumrah is more needed as first change and in death overs.He should be used as partnership breaker.

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4 minutes ago, AKane said:

Dravid will not listen to anybody saying anything. It will be his way and no other way. Agarkar may be chairman of selectors but Dravid picks and runs this team.

 

Dravid won't listen to anyone else. That's true.

 

But his thought process is like other typical Indian ex-cricketers and his own choices match theirs too. 

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BTW Pandya will be there - I am not sure they will pick 3 pace bowlers +Pandya. It is more likely to be 2 pace bowlers + Pandya + 3 spinners Jadeja + Axar/Ashwin + Kuldeep/Chahal/Bishnoi

 

I am talking WC.

 

If they drop Kuldeep we have no wicket taker in overs 15-35 and it is all over. Kuldeep is the Murali/Rashid Khan type bowler in the middle overs. Nobody else can do that in ODIs.

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47 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Almost all the ex Indian players are saying otherwise and somehow most of them think alike. 

I think everyone is scared about our batting.

Something which we used to excel in the past..now its so unreliable that we have to depend on a no 8 to bail us out.

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