KL Rahul suffers a fresh niggle and won't be available for the first 2 games of Asia Cup confirmed by Dravid

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

spare a thought to Iyer,that guy can't catch a break and ge might be replaced by Tilak in the WC squad. 

So true, he should have played last world cup too.

[Suhaan]

[jalebi_bhai]

Credit where due. Stepped up yesterday. Hopefully the extended break has freshened him up.

[coffee_rules]

20 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

spare a thought to Iyer,that guy can't catch a break and ge might be replaced by Tilak in the WC squad. 

Aur naacho saala! Nacchanniya 

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Credit where due. Stepped up yesterday. Hopefully the extended break has freshened him up.

 

First time i appreciate him in a while. More than the runs he played the way you should play spinners on a track like this.

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

First time i appreciate him in a while. More than the runs he played the way you should play spinners on a track like this.

Yesterday, I gladly had kaage biriyani served up by KL Rahul. 

[rageaddict]

Match 50-50 now . Almost 220 on board. 

[rageaddict]

Ok target 214 then..

[Nikhil_cric]

I hope i'm not jinxing but he's looking really good. Getting into good positions while batting, good awareness while keeping, being a tremendous help to Kuldeep with his line, better DRS decisions than Ishan.

 

I've never seen KL play this comfortably in an Indian shirt and look like he "belongs" in the team.   Maybe a Coffee with Karan controversy and a couple of serious injuries is what our players need to become elite? 

[Serpico]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I hope i'm not jinxing but he's looking really good. Getting into good positions while batting, good awareness while keeping, being a tremendous help to Kuldeep with his line, better DRS decisions than Ishan.

 

I've never seen KL play this comfortably in an Indian shirt and look like he "belongs" in the team.   Maybe a Coffee with Karan controversy and a couple of serious injuries is what our players need to become elite? 

Someone should arrange an interview for Gill next 

[Frustrated]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/the-next-time-we-face-wellalage-rahul-throws-open-challenge-for-sri-lanka-spinner-after-his-five-wickets-vs-india-101694578795293.html

[Frustrated]

Kela.  

[prudent_kreeda]

19 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

First time i appreciate him in a while. More than the runs he played the way you should play spinners on a track like this.

 

That is the way  one should play on spinning pitches . Mostly play on backfoot and use the wrists to deflect either on off side or leg side with occasional charge if bowler bowls fuller and  get as many singles as possible . Art of getting singles often is gold dust cos most of the time these would be low scoring games . But none of our batters have that technique now as most practice big hits or charge down too often and cannot stay long . Check Gill , Kohli, Rohit , Ishan(slightly better but does not have knack of getting singles . Too many dot balls ) , Hardik.

  

You cannot expect that skill to be mastered in 2 months. If we get a turning pitch in a KO match this WC , we really do not have the batsmen to come on top. One needs to go back and play ranji often to get that skill which our sooperstars do not do.

SL batsmen are much better technically  vs turning ball as they pick up lot more singles and use sweep quite often.

Lesson - Go with 3 140 k accurate pacers + Hardik against PAK,SL & BD in WC as most pitches would be decent pitches and bit of movement in winter. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

That is the way  one should play on spinning pitches . Mostly play on backfoot and use the wrists to deflect either on off side or leg side with occasional charge if bowler bowls fuller and  get as many singles as possible . Art of getting singles often is gold dust cos most of the time these would be low scoring games . But none of our batters have that technique now as most practice big hits or charge down too often and cannot stay long . Check Gill , Kohli, Rohit , Ishan(slightly better but does not have knack of getting singles . Too many dot balls ) , Hardik.

  

You cannot expect that skill to be mastered in 2 months. If we get a turning pitch in a KO match this WC , we really do not have the batsmen to come on top. One needs to go back and play ranji often to get that skill which our sooperstars do not do.

SL batsmen are much better technically  vs turning ball as they pick up lot more singles and use sweep quite often.

Lesson - Go with 3 140 k accurate pacers + Hardik against PAK,SL & BD in WC as most pitches would be decent pitches and bit of movement in winter. 

 

Gill and Kohli and frontfoot plonkers. Over commit themselves on the frontfoot. That is why they struggle even against orthodox spinners.

[rollingstoned]

3 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

That is the way  one should play on spinning pitches . Mostly play on backfoot and use the wrists to deflect either on off side or leg side with occasional charge if bowler bowls fuller and  get as many singles as possible . Art of getting singles often is gold dust cos most of the time these would be low scoring games . But none of our batters have that technique now as most practice big hits or charge down too often and cannot stay long . Check Gill , Kohli, Rohit , Ishan(slightly better but does not have knack of getting singles . Too many dot balls ) , Hardik.

  

You cannot expect that skill to be mastered in 2 months. If we get a turning pitch in a KO match this WC , we really do not have the batsmen to come on top. One needs to go back and play ranji often to get that skill which our sooperstars do not do.

SL batsmen are much better technically  vs turning ball as they pick up lot more singles and use sweep quite often.

Lesson - Go with 3 140 k accurate pacers + Hardik against PAK,SL & BD in WC as most pitches would be decent pitches and bit of movement in winter. 

We have started producing quite a few batsmen who do not play with soft hands or have the ability to use their wrists which is a problem when you have to maneuver the ball against spin eg Gill, Rahane. Both of these 2 have the kind of technique youe xpect of players coming from Saf rather than India. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

We have started producing quite a few batsmen who do not play with soft hands or have the ability to use their wrists which is a problem when you have to maneuver the ball against spin eg Gill, Rahane. Both of these 2 have the kind of technique youe xpect of players coming from Saf rather than India. 

 

On a turning track we shouldn't be going straight at t he ball with straight bat. KL Rahul when he plays shot he looks okay. But in Bangladesh he was strugglign while defending with fielders surrounding him. Positive feet movement is the only way you can counter the threat. Bit like Sachin Tendulkar (early days),  Aravinda De Silva kind of guys had brilliant weight transfer to deal with spin.  Among the current crop i only see this kind of backfoot game in domestic. Eswaran, Jaiswal all showed good skill on such pitches.

[prudent_kreeda]

22 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

On a turning track we shouldn't be going straight at t he ball with straight bat. KL Rahul when he plays shot he looks okay. But in Bangladesh he was strugglign while defending with fielders surrounding him. Positive feet movement is the only way you can counter the threat. Bit like Sachin Tendulkar (early days),  Aravinda De Silva kind of guys had brilliant weight transfer to deal with spin.  Among the current crop i only see this kind of backfoot game in domestic. Eswaran, Jaiswal all showed good skill on such pitches.

Due to - 

1.Overkill of T20s  where the primary aim is to hit BIG.

2.All established indian players never play domestic, hence they have lost that art. 

younger players and seasoned domestic players play spin much better than established players like Rinku, Jaiswal, Sai sudarshan

 

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Due to - 

1.Overkill of T20s  where the primary aim is to hit BIG.

2.All established indian players never play domestic, hence they have lost that art. 

younger players and seasoned domestic players play spin much better than established players like Rinku, Jaiswal, Sai sudarshan

 

 

Eswaran is probably the bonafide sweep expert. Bit like how Harmanpreet in women's cricket.

 

 

[putrevus]

22 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

On a turning track we shouldn't be going straight at t he ball with straight bat. KL Rahul when he plays shot he looks okay. But in Bangladesh he was strugglign while defending with fielders surrounding him. Positive feet movement is the only way you can counter the threat. Bit like Sachin Tendulkar (early days),  Aravinda De Silva kind of guys had brilliant weight transfer to deal with spin.  Among the current crop i only see this kind of backfoot game in domestic. Eswaran, Jaiswal all showed good skill on such pitches.

Don't you think most players who have come thru ranks know how to play spin. As Dravid once put it, once you start playing international cricket, your focus shifts from playing spin bowling to play fast bowlers. During that process your footwork against spin bowling suffers as you age in international cricket.

 

So you need to stop bringing every tom dick and harry  domestic player into equation, everyone knows it they would be better against spin bowling than international players.

 

Jaiswal will look better now as he is still not used to grind of international cricket.Once his footwork is retuned to face fast bowling in international cricket he will also look like current Indian players.

 

Mayank looked the best player of spin during Australian tour in 2018  but he has other deficiencies which are far greater for him to remain in international cricket.

 

 

Guys like Eswaran are in domestic cricket for a reason.

Edited September 14, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Don't you think most players who have come thru ranks know how to play spin. As Dravid once put it, once you start playing international cricket, your focus shifts from playing spin bowling to play fast bowlers. During that process your footwork against spin bowling suffers as you age in international cricket.

 

So you need to stop bringing domestic player into equation, everyone know it they would be better against spin bowling than international players.

 

Jaiswal will look better now as he is still not used to grind of international cricket.Once his footwork is retuned to face fast bowling in international cricket he will also look like current Indian players.

 

 

Guys like Eswaran are in domestic cricket for a reason.

 

Where do you get that idea?. Even within Indian team they all don't play spin the same way. Gill and Kohli are the weakest among them.  Gill is fairly new. Rahane always sucked against spin from the beginning even fresh out of first class.  They will practice against all types of bowlers. Just that   some are good. Some are not so good. Sehwag's game against spin never dipped after a decade. First time i am hearing. Facing fast bowlers in international will make you worse against spin. For the record India faces boat load of spin bowling at Home. We got trolled by Moeen Ali in England. We face spinners in West Indies. Almost lost a test to Bangladesh spinners. We face spinners in SL.